Final Decisions...

0ptipl3x

0ptipl3x

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I am going to put my final set up decisions for my small grow box (3 ft tall,2 ft wide,1 ft forward) and i would like to get some advice on how good it is:

plant im growing: papaya (indica, not tall, bushy) and only 2 plants.:hump:

soil using: Miracle grow "seed starting poting soil" for my seed/seedling and miracle grow "garden soil for trees and shrubs" for my permanent soil. For container 3 galon.

lighting: two 18 inch 15 watt fluorescent lamps (daylight/warm white spectrum) + two 6500k cfl with daylight spectrum for my veg state and two 2700k cfl with warm white spectrum for my flowering state. I also have covered all the box's interior walls with foil paper.

odor control: 2 carbon filters

ventilation: 10 inch fan. 2 ventilation holes. one on bottom for cooling and one on top for exhaust.

co2: club soda (contains nothing but water and co2) with a spritzer.

nutrients: all purpose plant food.

Other items: aqua globes for my watering when the plant is a decent size.

well this is it. please comment. thank you :weed:

ps: i will provide pictures soon.
 
ImissATARI

ImissATARI

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well a lot to improve on being your first grow.

First foil is a big no no. Your bulb is a fixed spot and if the light reflects off the foil just right and a few points focus on one spot on your plant it is going to have hot spots and burn your plant. I would advise painting white or trying to get some mylar (emergency blankets from wally world or reflective mylar wrapping paper)

I also came across this diy reflective hood that is really cheap and should help you out:
https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/109235-building-cheap-light-reflector.html

I am not familar with the tube grows, they may work and i will defer to someone who knows more but your best bet are CFL's as opposed to the tubes. I recently found a 2 pack of 26 watt 6500 (daylight) for like 8 bucks, 2 of those per plant can get you started. I have even seen a grow of 12-16 inch plants that only had 2 of these per plant (more is always better, but they were healthy). You said you do have 2 of each, how many watts? (not equivelant, but the real watts).

Also, though I have not done a lot of growing other then once here and there through the years, the nutrients miracle grow has seem to F some plants and isnt advisable.

One thing I can remind you is not to go to heavy on the nutes too early, perhaps not even for 2 weeks (some start with good soil and barely have to add any at all. if the plant isn't "requesting" it (ie: turning yellow, spots, browning) then theres nothing wrong with it and its best to leave be. Remember, it is a weed!

I am starting a small dresser grow similar to yours so hopefully I can be of some sort of help down the road.

And get some pics as soon as you can, that will help others to be more willing to comment and give some tips!

Good luck with your grow.
 
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Keenly

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i personally feel you do not have enough space to get anything worth the effort
 
rolla8

rolla8

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You've got good intentions, but I think you're a bit misguided. Before thinking about things like carbon filters and CO2 supplementation, you need to focus on the size of your grow "room". In this tiny box you're making, there's no way you're going to produce a plant that would require two carbon filters for odor control. Honestly, you won't even need one carbon filter. A spritz of Febreeze every other day will probably be more than sufficient. And since your plant can't get to be more than 3ft in height, there's no need for extra CO2. Seriously, you need a bigger grow area. With what you have, you won't be able to produce more than a few grams at most. Concentrate on the fundamentals before cluttering your mind with all the extras.
 
ImissATARI

ImissATARI

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rolla8 said:
You've got good intentions, but I think you're a bit misguided. Before thinking about things like carbon filters and CO2 supplementation, you need to focus on the size of your grow "room". In this tiny box you're making, there's no way you're going to produce a plant that would require two carbon filters for odor control. Honestly, you won't even need one carbon filter. A spritz of Febreeze every other day will probably be more than sufficient. And since your plant can't get to be more than 3ft in height, there's no need for extra CO2. Seriously, you need a bigger grow area. With what you have, you won't be able to produce more than a few grams at most. Concentrate on the fundamentals before cluttering your mind with all the extras.
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Though you have some good points in there, a person with a grow "room" would expect it to not be worth the time. Your right, he does need more reasearch, but only a few grams??? did you see that one guys pc micro grow??
 
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unforgiven1420

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rolla8 said:
You've got good intentions, but I think you're a bit misguided. Before thinking about things like carbon filters and CO2 supplementation, you need to focus on the size of your grow "room". In this tiny box you're making, there's no way you're going to produce a plant that would require two carbon filters for odor control. Honestly, you won't even need one carbon filter. A spritz of Febreeze every other day will probably be more than sufficient. And since your plant can't get to be more than 3ft in height, there's no need for extra CO2. Seriously, you need a bigger grow area. With what you have, you won't be able to produce more than a few grams at most. Concentrate on the fundamentals before cluttering your mind with all the extras.
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couple of grams? you're out of you're mind. it won't be pounds but a couple of grams? don't be silly. i agree that theres no need for co2 and maybe no need for odor control but come on....
 
rolla8

rolla8

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unforgiven1420 said:
couple of grams? you're out of you're mind. it won't be pounds but a couple of grams? don't be silly. i agree that theres no need for co2 and maybe no need for odor control but come on....
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Well, if we only look at his total light wattage to estimate yield, not taking into account that it's his first time growing, and all the other restrictions.... if he is somehow able to have a PERFECT grow and yields 1gr per watt, he would end up with about an ounce (30g). But since this IS his first time growing, and there ARE restrictions and less-than-ideal circumstances, he is going to get half that, AT BEST. So, he'll end up with between 1/4oz - 1/2oz for all his effort (30 days of veg + 60-80 days of flowering + 15-30 days of drying and curing). If you think that's worth it, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. But it's not fair to amp this guy up by speaking about his setup in such idealistic terms. Be real about it. There's nothing silly about reality.
 
rolla8

rolla8

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I'm not trying to be a naysayer, but it sorta makes me mad when I see people speaking in such idealistic terms. Like you're somehow going to produce massive dank buds with 18w of florescent light and a cardboard box. People come to this site for real advice and help growing, and it does them a disservice to get there hopes up about how they could "theoretically" yield several ounces, when in reality, the guy is probably not going to get more than a few grams his first time around with this sort of setup. Then there are those who like to reply and chime in with technical disagreements to sound advice just so they can appear to be grow-gurus. Like I said, it's not doing the guy any favors by getting his hopes up for technically perfect crops yielding absolutely ideal quantities. I'm sure he'd rather hear what is most likely to happen, and not what COULD happen if everything is perfect and goes exactly according to plans with no problems whatsoever.
 
0ptipl3x

0ptipl3x

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well guys i realy appreciate all you advices, also, im going to try to put the exact amount of wattage

2 18" 15 watt(30watt total) fluorescent tubes (daylight/warmwhite): these will be on the exact time as the 2 cfl

2 cfl 6500k day light spectrum (26 watt each = 52 watts)

30 + 52 = 82 watts for my veg state.

then when its time to flower i plan to take off the 2 cfls 6500k daylight bulbs and put in 2 cfls 2700k warmwhite bulbs (23 watt each = 46 watts)

30+46= 76 watts for my flowering state.

hope this helps.

also, i am not going for much, sense its just going to be for personal use, so maybe 1/2 oz or 1 oz = enough for me.
 
0ptipl3x

0ptipl3x

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also do you guys know where i can find mylar? like what store or dose it have to be bought online?
 
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unforgiven1420

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rolla8 said:
Well, if we only look at his total light wattage to estimate yield, not taking into account that it's his first time growing, and all the other restrictions.... if he is somehow able to have a PERFECT grow and yields 1gr per watt, he would end up with about an ounce (30g). But since this IS his first time growing, and there ARE restrictions and less-than-ideal circumstances, he is going to get half that, AT BEST. So, he'll end up with between 1/4oz - 1/2oz for all his effort (30 days of veg + 60-80 days of flowering + 15-30 days of drying and curing). If you think that's worth it, go ahead. I'm not stopping you. But it's not fair to amp this guy up by speaking about his setup in such idealistic terms. Be real about it. There's nothing silly about reality.
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well the first post you made said nothing about total watts to estimated yield. you said that the size of the "grow room" was too small to produce any more than a few grams. that is untrue. there are hundreds of threads here that prove you wrong on that. he posted here looking for advice on how to get the greatest potential yield with the space he has and in no way did i imply that he would produce a massive harvest. if you think he needs more light to increase his harvest then give advice. don't just tell him that theres no way he gets any more than a few grams due to the "size of grow room". i am not trying to appear to be any kind of guru nor am i arguing with you for the sake of argument. there are holes in his plans that need to be addressed but theres a guy here doing a scrog in a mini fridge that looks like a 1-2 oz plant before its done. It can be done. It can be done by a newb with the right advice. knock the Mg soil, knock the "all purpose" nutes, knock the amount of light, knock the auqa globes, but the space can produce more than a "few grams". read your first post again. you were talking strictly about his space being useless. discouraging a new grower does them just as big a disservice as getting their hopes up. let me be clear, the only thing i disagreed with was your comment about his space producing only a few grams. I agree with all the oither advise you've given in this thread. and i never said i thought he could theoreticlly yield ounces or anything about a technically perfect crop.
 
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unforgiven1420

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0ptipl3x said:
well guys i realy appreciate all you advices, also, im going to try to put the exact amount of wattage

2 18" 15 watt(30watt total) fluorescent tubes (daylight/warmwhite): these will be on the exact time as the 2 cfl

2 cfl 6500k day light spectrum (26 watt each = 52 watts)

30 + 52 = 82 watts for my veg state.

then when its time to flower i plan to take off the 2 cfls 6500k daylight bulbs and put in 2 cfls 2700k warmwhite bulbs (23 watt each = 46 watts)

30+46= 76 watts for my flowering state.

hope this helps.

also, i am not going for much, sense its just going to be for personal use, so maybe 1/2 oz or 1 oz = enough for me.
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you're going to need alot more than that for flower i f you hope for up to an ounce. they sell those bulbs up to 85 watt but they get pretty expensive and pretty large. for mylar its a good time of year to just head to a dollar store and buy a few rolls of the wrapping paper with the shinny backing. its almost as reflective as mylar and much much cheaper.
 
ImissATARI

ImissATARI

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0ptipl3x said:
well guys i realy appreciate all you advices, also, im going to try to put the exact amount of wattage

2 18" 15 watt(30watt total) fluorescent tubes (daylight/warmwhite): these will be on the exact time as the 2 cfl

2 cfl 6500k day light spectrum (26 watt each = 52 watts)

30 + 52 = 82 watts for my veg state.

then when its time to flower i plan to take off the 2 cfls 6500k daylight bulbs and put in 2 cfls 2700k warmwhite bulbs (23 watt each = 46 watts)

30+46= 76 watts for my flowering state.

hope this helps.

also, i am not going for much, sense its just going to be for personal use, so maybe 1/2 oz or 1 oz = enough for me.
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1/2 - 1 ounce would be a great goal to achieve but there are def some things to learn (as most of us do) keep researchin and reading, you can never do that too much.

As far as the 6500k, you don't need to lose them when you flower. 6500k is what the plant needs in veg, 2700 is what the plant needs in flower. If you have the space to keep them I would. Having too much light or a more full spectrum will not harm the plant.
 
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Cannabox

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rolla8 said:
I'm not trying to be a naysayer, but it sorta makes me mad when I see people speaking in such idealistic terms. Like you're somehow going to produce massive dank buds with 18w of florescent light and a cardboard box. People come to this site for real advice and help growing, and it does them a disservice to get there hopes up about how they could "theoretically" yield several ounces, when in reality, the guy is probably not going to get more than a few grams his first time around with this sort of setup. Then there are those who like to reply and chime in with technical disagreements to sound advice just so they can appear to be grow-gurus. Like I said, it's not doing the guy any favors by getting his hopes up for technically perfect crops yielding absolutely ideal quantities. I'm sure he'd rather hear what is most likely to happen, and not what COULD happen if everything is perfect and goes exactly according to plans with no problems whatsoever.
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noones gonna take your busniess.. relax.
 
0ptipl3x

0ptipl3x

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hmm so what im getting form this is that i should put all the lights trough all the stages of the plant? basically my 2 fluorescent tubes + 2 cfl 26 watt daylight spectrum + 2 cfl 23 watt warm white spectrum?

thats 128 watts for 1 plant? maybe 2? is that not good enough for lighting?
 
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