Tesla New Model Unveil...

ttystikk

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The elephant in the room is the heavy commercial semi truck. That will need to be electric. Trucks and trains burn a lot of Diesel.

So the conversation does need to begin. How to make a practical semi tractor that’ll do 800 miles all day every day at full weight. The only solution I can find, and it sucks, is for the operator to swap out leased batteries more than once a day. This will require standardized engineering for every trucker’s power pack(s) so that “one model fits all” cheaply and within minutes. And no battery-chewing “fast charge” shenanigans.
You mentioned trains and I think that's an important topic, because it shows the REAL commitment of a country to environmental goals. Soooooo much of the world's track mileage is electric, including nearly every mile of high speed passenger rail. Europe and Asia both operate vast routes on electric traction.

Why? Costs of both operation and maintenance are lower. It's that simple. Forget all the bullshit about needing to build special power plants. Yes, generation capacity must be increased but that's still cheaper than all the oil that has to be extracted and refined.

America has resisted converting to electric traction for nearly a century because of up front costs and fossil fuel subsidies. Ending those subsidies and assisting their electric conversion would be a huge step in reducing American pollution, CO2 emissions and even health problems.

Since it's such a no brainer, why is it such a nonstarter here in America? Corporate money in politics, specifically the oil industry; they sell huge quantities of cheap low grade diesel to railroads and they don't want to see that business go away.

Until America takes a stand against Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway owns a big chunk of Union Pacific, among other affected holdings) and the oil industry, this won't change. And until it changes, I have a lot of trouble believing any politician who says they're committed to a green future.
 

doublejj

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I’d like to see where the metric ton of drywall is supposed to go. The value of a pickup is hauling large/heavy loads, often from distant merchants.

Wake me when an e-truck can haul a 5th wheel trailer all day into a headwind -and can do it again the next day after an ordinary charger, not some 25-kW executioner’s tool.
the tesla cybertruck was designed to replace the best selling vehicle in America; the 1/2 ton pickup...F150
 

hanimmal

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over a million people disagree....
I'll believe it when I see them on the road.

I still think it is 50/50 it is just a scam to get people to think there are a bunch on order. $100 to pre-order one is not something I am guessing a lot of people are double checking are not just another micro donation/Ponzi type scam.

But I hope I am wrong and it takes off and is really a unicorn of a truck.
 

mooray

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Half of those are scalpers, you see reservations for sale on CL all the time. A quarter of those are people that bought the reservation just to tell people about it, and maybe the remaining will follow through.

Google says there are 1.3 million EV's on the road at the end of 2020, so it seems unlikely that number is basically going to double overnight.

And selling a million is pretty gnarly. That's 3 billion pounds of battery to be mined. Them kids gonna be workin' overtime.
 

doublejj

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Half of those are scalpers, you see reservations for sale on CL all the time. A quarter of those are people that bought the reservation just to tell people about it, and maybe the remaining will follow through.

Google says there are 1.3 million EV's on the road at the end of 2020, so it seems unlikely that number is basically going to double overnight.

And selling a million is pretty gnarly. That's 3 billion pounds of battery to be mined. Them kids gonna be workin' overtime.
Tesla will sell every truck they can build...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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You mentioned trains and I think that's an important topic, because it shows the REAL commitment of a country to environmental goals. Soooooo much of the world's track mileage is electric, including nearly every mile of high speed passenger rail. Europe and Asia both operate vast routes on electric traction.

Why? Costs of both operation and maintenance are lower. It's that simple. Forget all the bullshit about needing to build special power plants. Yes, generation capacity must be increased but that's still cheaper than all the oil that has to be extracted and refined.

America has resisted converting to electric traction for nearly a century because of up front costs and fossil fuel subsidies. Ending those subsidies and assisting their electric conversion would be a huge step in reducing American pollution, CO2 emissions and even health problems.

Since it's such a no brainer, why is it such a nonstarter here in America? Corporate money in politics, specifically the oil industry; they sell huge quantities of cheap low grade diesel to railroads and they don't want to see that business go away.

Until America takes a stand against Warren Buffett (Berkshire Hathaway owns a big chunk of Union Pacific, among other affected holdings) and the oil industry, this won't change. And until it changes, I have a lot of trouble believing any politician who says they're committed to a green future.
what will the power plants use for fuel? fairy farts? pixey piss?
power plants don't pollute? they don't produce co2?
people don't like the train, that's why amtrac is doing so well
yeah, they're better pollution wise, about 20-35% better as far as carbon is concerned, which is significant, but not 100% like you seem to be implying...
they have to run high voltage lines the entire length of the rail line, and build generator stations in practically evey city along the route...do you want to live next to one of those generating stations?...
we do have to do something, but honestly, i'd give up on rail in general, and go with electric high capacity trucking, a lot more flexible, and if you just got rid of every rail line that was not absolutely essential, thats that much less infrastructure to keep up
 

CatHedral

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what will the power plants use for fuel? fairy farts? pixey piss?
power plants don't pollute? they don't produce co2?
people don't like the train, that's why amtrac is doing so well
yeah, they're better pollution wise, about 20-35% better as far as carbon is concerned, which is significant, but not 100% like you seem to be implying...
they have to run high voltage lines the entire length of the rail line, and build generator stations in practically evey city along the route...do you want to live next to one of those generating stations?...
we do have to do something, but honestly, i'd give up on rail in general, and go with electric high capacity trucking, a lot more flexible, and if you just got rid of every rail line that was not absolutely essential, thats that much less infrastructure to keep up
I see a lot of wind, sun and hydro being used. Watch nuclear come back when it gets hotter, drier and coast-floodier.
 

xtsho

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Really? A $100 deposit means Tesla is automatically going to sell a million cybertrucks? Tesla doesn't have the capacity to make a million of them anyway.
And those are refundable deposits.

I highly doubt that Tesla's numbers are on the up and up. There is no way one million real people have actually reserved and plan to buy that hideous vehicle.

Ford has 150,000 reservations for it's electric F-150 which is a more believable number.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Not convinced. Higher bid and higher quality correlate poorly.
probably true, was just a convenient way of saying my largest concern is the quality of the reactor, as well as the training of the operators....
we're already fucked if the power goes out for an extended period of time, more than 10 days or so, and all those cooling pools will be running on generators, and how long will those last? once they give out, the pools start to boil, then they go dry, then shit starts to melt....most of the reactors in this country seem to be along the coast, so the entire perimeter of the country would be an irradiated death zone...guess it would keep the russians out, but it'll keep the zombies in...
 

doublejj

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And those are refundable deposits.

I highly doubt that Tesla's numbers are on the up and up. There is no way one million real people have actually reserved and plan to buy that hideous vehicle.

Ford has 150,000 reservations for it's electric F-150 which is a more believable number.
those ford reservations are fully refundable.
 
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