The politics of your newly privatized prison cell

[CatHedral]

If you're forced to fund a public or private prison when you aren't involved with any of the prisoners or their crimes* real or imagined, aren't you repressed then ?

The problem isn't so much who owns the prisons, it's why are they full of people who never created an actual victim? Both public and private prisons exist in large part to make money for parasites.

Further for those who DID create an actual victim, rather than have "the public" pay to maintain them in prison, they should be made to restitute their victims and work to sustain themselves while doing that, rather than have disinterested parties subsidize them and house them.

*actual crime, where a person or their property etc is actually vicitmized, not malum prohibitum horseshit crimes which should be abolished

No. This is just another aspect of your “taxation is slavery” credo.

On a tangent: how does the existence of a local uniformed police force fit into your social concept?

 

[Rob Roy]

how many times do i have to remind you that i dont want pedophiles posting in my threads?

8,943

 

[Rob Roy]

No. This is just another aspect of your “taxation is slavery” credo.

On a tangent: how does the existence of a local uniformed police force fit into your social concept?

That does nothing to refute the veracity of what I said and isn't an argument.

Police, in the present model don't fit into my ideal, whether uniformed or in clown suits. It's impossible for police to take part in extorting you for their pay and also realistically be able to "protect and serve" you.

This does not mean I'm opposed to security organizations that work to protect people etc. It would be better if the security business interaction had a greater element of voluntaryism in it though.

 

[mooray]

That does nothing to refute the veracity of what I said and isn't an argument.

It's utterly hilarious to see you make such comments when you're well known for posting nonsense off-topic things when you're cornered.

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[schuylaar]

Private prisons are a factor as the public payroll is too high on state prisons. PENSIONS

oh goody we're playing Password again! ENRON

 

[Rob Roy]

It's utterly hilarious to see you make such comments when you're well known for posting nonsense off-topic things when you're cornered.

Except you've never actually cornered me. Besides Cat Heads post wasn't intended as humor, it was offered as if it was a refutation.

See? You still haven't cornered me. Try harder.

 

[CatHedral]

That does nothing to refute the veracity of what I said and isn't an argument.

Police, in the present model don't fit into my ideal, whether uniformed or in clown suits. It's impossible for police to take part in extorting you for their pay and also realistically be able to "protect and serve" you.

This does not mean I'm opposed to security organizations that work to protect people etc. It would be better if the security business interaction had a greater element of volunataryism in it though.

In this we disagree, unsurprisingly.
Ignoring the temptation to comment on your comic use of the word veracity (and I’m oh so glad I didn’t) the idea of competing private security is a bit feudal.

 

[mooray]

Except you've never actually cornered me. Besides Cat Heads post wasn't intended as humor, it was offered as if it was a refutation.

See? You still haven't cornered me. Try harder.

Playground logic.

 

[Rob Roy]

In this we disagree, unsurprisingly.
Ignoring the temptation to comment on your comic use of the word veracity (and I’m oh so glad I didn’t) the idea of competing private security is a bit feudal.

In an actual free market, you could organize a socialist police force to protect you and yours. Of course, it would be better if you limited your organization to those that willingly want and pay for your service.

The idea of a so called "public security" force (police etc.) which protect you with a gaurantee that say's "only we are allowed to extort from you" is a bit absurd, no?

In your world how does security / policing work ? I'm honestly curious.

 

[CatHedral]

In an actual free market, you could organize a socialist police force to protect you and yours. Of course, it would be better if you limited your organization to those that willingly want and pay for your service.

The idea of a so called "public security" force (police etc.) which protect you with a gaurantee that say's "only we are allowed to extort from you" is a bit absurd, no?

In your world how does security / policing work ? I'm honestly curious.

An actual free market is a wistful fantasy, like unicorns or bunnies hiding eggs.

To the rest, I do not find uniformed police (local, state, federal) to be absurd. I do believe that our various municipal and county police forces have been in the news a lot for systemic abuse of professional privilege. My answer to that is more organic than yours: they need more serious oversight. This necessarily involves Federal government as the driver.

 

[Rob Roy]

Playground logic.

I ask you to try harder and you come back with that?

Damn it man, I'm going back to trimming if that's all you got.

 

[mooray]

An actual free market is a wistful fantasy, like unicorns or bunnies hiding eggs.

Right? Purist arguments fail ten out of ten times. Let kids buy guns.

 

[Rob Roy]

An actual free market is a wistful fantasy, like unicorns or bunnies hiding eggs.

A free market is possible. Among sane people it already exists here and there.

What is impossible is for a coercion based organization, today's policing business model, to be a protector. I mean that in the sense that a person can't extort and also make the claim they're protecting you. Two opposing concepts.

As far as Unicorns and bunnies hiding eggs, they exist too. In fact I sometimes self identify as a Unicorn.

 

[Rob Roy]

Right? Purist arguments fail ten out of ten times. Let kids buy guns.

Let psychopaths rule the world and enslave you. Give them nuclear weapons too. Your turn.

 

[CatHedral]

Right? Purist arguments fail ten out of ten times. Let kids buy guns.

Yeah but ease them into it

 

[Rob Roy]

Yeah but ease them into it

If Alec Baldwin had grown up listening to my dad, he never would have pulled the trigger on a lethal shot. l learned to shoot at 7, after watching my older siblings and paying attention to my dad's gun safety rules.

 

[mooray]

Let psychopaths rule the world and enslave you. Give them nuclear weapons too. Your turn.

Exactly, let everyone have nuclear weapons too. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?!?

 

[Rob Roy]

Exactly, let everyone have nuclear weapons too. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?!?

I'm not a fan of nuclear weapons, but that doesn't grant me the right to then delegate that nonexistent right to government to keep you from having one. Why anyone would want one, unless they were psychotic, escapes me. Nuclear weapons are indiscriminate killers and are hard to justify as "defensive weapons" when they are used. If there were no nation state tax farms, I doubt nuclear weapons would be an issue.

As an aside, what would realistically stop crony capitalists like Bezo's, Gates or Musk from getting nukes even in the present governmental structure if they really wanted them ? They got the money.

 

[schuylaar]

No. This is just another aspect of your “taxation is slavery” credo.

On a tangent: how does the existence of a local uniformed police force fit into your social concept?

they don't..you know he's talking about Neverland, don't you?

 

[Rob Roy]

they don't..you know he's talking about Neverland, don't you?

Aww gee there you go.

Speaking of Neverland ...would you say it's possible or impossible for a person to participate in taking your money to pay themselves, even if you never wanted their so called service and also make the claim they are your protectors? How does that make any sense ?