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[QuixoticQuipper]

2 X 00 Seeds White Widow autos week 9 LST and lower 1/3 defoliated in 17 litre pots with organic soil and canna bio nutes range. 1 litre of coconut water was given by a well meaning babysitter 1 week ago and I think that it has caused a possible nitrogen lock out. Any input is greatly appreciated

 

[Richard Drysift]

It’s entirely possible that the coconut water caused a ph imbalance but it is equally as possible that it was caused by giving heavy nutrients. Canna Bio claims it is “organic” but that doesn’t mean much. Just because nutrients are derived from organic (veganic) materials does not mean they will not upset a living soil food web if given at high amounts. Most organic liquid fertilizers need to be broken down through decomposition in order to become available to root systems which makes it nearly impossible to cause burn or ph imbalance. Nutrients on the other hand are typically soluble right from of the bottle which means too much can easily piss off the mycorrhizae fungi that absorbs NPK, etc directly from the soil. So while you can say Canna Bio is organic it does not mean it will not cause ph imbalance at high doses.

So either way whatever the cause actually was the fix for a ph imbalance in soil is plain old water. Hard to know for sure without a soil probe or slurry test. It is also possible that these plants are simply taking down more N than they did before which is consistent with the stage of growth the plants are currently in. I would try giving straight water for a week or so to see if they start to look better; if it is a ph imbalance it should fix itself over time as long as your soil is still active. Giving a round of aerated compost tea could help speed the process if ph was out of range by increasing the level of microbial activity in your containers. If that doesn’t get them green again then you likely need to up the dosage of nutrients.

 

[QuixoticQuipper]

It’s entirely possible that the coconut water caused a ph imbalance but it is equally as possible that it was caused by giving heavy nutrients. Canna Bio claims it is “organic” but that doesn’t mean much. Just because nutrients are derived from organic (veganic) materials does not mean they will not upset a living soil food web if given at high amounts. Most organic liquid fertilizers need to be broken down through decomposition in order to become available to root systems which makes it nearly impossible to cause burn or ph imbalance. Nutrients on the other hand are typically soluble right from of the bottle which means too much can easily piss off the mycorrhizae fungi that absorbs NPK, etc directly from the soil. So while you can say Canna Bio is organic it does not mean it will not cause ph imbalance at high doses.

So either way whatever the cause actually was the fix for a ph imbalance in soil is plain old water. Hard to know for sure without a soil probe or slurry test. It is also possible that these plants are simply taking down more N than they did before which is consistent with the stage of growth the plants are currently in. I would try giving straight water for a week or so to see if they start to look better; if it is a ph imbalance it should fix itself over time as long as your soil is still active. Giving a round of aerated compost tea could help speed the process if ph was out of range by increasing the level of microbial activity in your containers. If that doesn’t get them green again then you likely need to up the dosage of nutrients.

Appreciate your input.
I deduced much the same and have only been giving plain water since, except for the initial water that I added some mycorrhizae fungi and aloe powder. I just watered at lights on with a normal feed and the runoff was 6.34.
A simple soil slurry test showed the right colours and they seem more perky today and I’ve noticed some new bud swell so not looking too bad thus far along this episode.
Thanks

 

[Alcoholock]

It’s entirely possible that the coconut water caused a ph imbalance but it is equally as possible that it was caused by giving heavy nutrients. Canna Bio claims it is “organic” but that doesn’t mean much. Just because nutrients are derived from organic (veganic) materials does not mean they will not upset a living soil food web if given at high amounts. Most organic liquid fertilizers need to be broken down through decomposition in order to become available to root systems which makes it nearly impossible to cause burn or ph imbalance. Nutrients on the other hand are typically soluble right from of the bottle which means too much can easily piss off the mycorrhizae fungi that absorbs NPK, etc directly from the soil. So while you can say Canna Bio is organic it does not mean it will not cause ph imbalance at high doses.

So either way whatever the cause actually was the fix for a ph imbalance in soil is plain old water. Hard to know for sure without a soil probe or slurry test. It is also possible that these plants are simply taking down more N than they did before which is consistent with the stage of growth the plants are currently in. I would try giving straight water for a week or so to see if they start to look better; if it is a ph imbalance it should fix itself over time as long as your soil is still active. Giving a round of aerated compost tea could help speed the process if ph was out of range by increasing the level of microbial activity in your containers. If that doesn’t get them green again then you likely need to up the dosage of nutrients.

Coconut water is highly valued due to its nutritional characteristics and special flavor. It contains a remarkable content of salts, minerals, vitamins, sugars, amino acids and enzymes . Among these compounds, sugars are the main component of soluble solids in coconut water, and the sweetness is an important criterion for evaluating the quality...so...a lor of salt.....and its ph is low at 5.8....sorry...didnt see i ghosted the comment .

(PDF) Coconut water preservation and processing: A review

PDF | The product. Coconut water (Cocos nucifera L.) is an ancient tropical beverage whose original properties have drawn the attention of manufacturers... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

 

[QuixoticQuipper]

Care to elaborate on the repost?

 

[QuixoticQuipper]

Coconut water is highly valued due to its nutritional characteristics and special flavor. It contains a remarkable content of salts, minerals, vitamins, sugars, amino acids and enzymes . Among these compounds, sugars are the main component of soluble solids in coconut water, and the sweetness is an important criterion for evaluating the quality...so...a lor of salt.....and its ph is low at 5.8....sorry...didnt see i ghosted the comment .

(PDF) Coconut water preservation and processing: A review

PDF | The product. Coconut water (Cocos nucifera L.) is an ancient tropical beverage whose original properties have drawn the attention of manufacturers... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

I understand. Thank you, much appreciated.

 

[QuixoticQuipper]

Coconut water is highly valued due to its nutritional characteristics and special flavor. It contains a remarkable content of salts, minerals, vitamins, sugars, amino acids and enzymes . Among these compounds, sugars are the main component of soluble solids in coconut water, and the sweetness is an important criterion for evaluating the quality...so...a lor of salt.....and its ph is low at 5.8....sorry...didnt see i ghosted the comment .

(PDF) Coconut water preservation and processing: A review

PDF | The product. Coconut water (Cocos nucifera L.) is an ancient tropical beverage whose original properties have drawn the attention of manufacturers... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

I’ve just finished perusing your other posts and I don’t think that you should be giving advice.

 

[Alcoholock]

I’ve just finished perusing your other posts and I don’t think that you should be giving advice.

Where did I give advice...? it wasn't advice, it was a copy paste...from research gate...to help you understand what your plants are going through, ph wise.... But you're entitled to your opinion, But its quite a rich one coming from someone who waters their severely fox tailed plant with coconut water.... Oh i forgot it was your "babysitter" ....right... Try tap water ph'd to 6.3-6.8 for soils....and move your light away from that first plant you posted first, before its further ruined by the "babysitter" ... And didn't you reply "I understand"? I mean...further damning evidence. Lmk how that hot garbage fox tailed coconut flavored plant you destroyed tastes tho!

 

[QuixoticQuipper]

Where did I give advice...? it wasn't advice, it was a copy paste...from research gate...to help you understand what your plants are going through, ph wise.... But you're entitled to your opinion, But its quite a rich one coming from someone who waters their severely fox tailed plant with coconut water.... Oh i forgot it was your "babysitter" ....right... Try tap water ph'd to 6.3-6.8 for soils....and move your light away from that first plant you posted first, before its further ruined by the "babysitter" ... And didn't you reply "I understand"? I mean...further damning evidence. Lmk how that hot garbage fox tailed coconut flavored plant you destroyed tastes tho!

Based on your other posts your response was precisely anticipated.