Any thoughts on using Permethrin in veg?

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jonnynobody

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I found this product that contains 10% permethrin that seems to be highly effective at killing pretty much any bug out there that eats cannabis.
It's labeled for food crops, but I have no intention of using it in flower if I buy it. Veg only. Anyone have experience with Permethrin? It seems to be more effective than Pyrethrin. I'm not finding any safety issues using this stuff in veg at all. Any and all thoughts welcome. I'm building an arsenal for my IPM and this stuff seems like a steal of a deal for treating pests in veg.
 
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Nixs

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"Permethrin
Permethrin, sold under the brand name Nix :bigjoint:, among others, is a medication and an insecticide. As a medication, it is used to treat scabies and lice. It is applied to the skin as a cream or lotion. As an insecticide, it can be sprayed onto clothing or mosquito nets to kill the insects that touch them. Side effects include rash and irritation at the area of use. Use during pregnancy appears to be safe. It is approved for use on and around people over the age of two months. Permethrin is in the pyrethroid family of medications. It works by disrupting the function of the neurons of lice and scabies mites. Permethrin was discovered in 1973. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. In 2017, it was the 410th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 150 thousand prescriptions.Wikipedia"
 
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Nixs said:
"Permethrin
Permethrin, sold under the brand name Nix :bigjoint:, among others, is a medication and an insecticide. As a medication, it is used to treat scabies and lice. It is applied to the skin as a cream or lotion. As an insecticide, it can be sprayed onto clothing or mosquito nets to kill the insects that touch them. Side effects include rash and irritation at the area of use. Use during pregnancy appears to be safe. It is approved for use on and around people over the age of two months. Permethrin is in the pyrethroid family of medications. It works by disrupting the function of the neurons of lice and scabies mites. Permethrin was discovered in 1973. It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines. In 2017, it was the 410th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than 150 thousand prescriptions.Wikipedia"
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Sounds like a Q recommended Covid 19 treatment along with ivermectin.
 
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jonnynobody

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jimihendrix1 said:
"Permethrin has an average Half Life of 39.5 days, so give it 80 days to clear the plants. Trace amounts in some cases have been found as long as 120 days after treatment.
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I'm thinking that may be the reason pyganic with pyrethrin is more commonly used. Both seem great at knocking down pest populations but pyrethrin metabolizes out of the plant tissue much faster. Permethrin is synthetic and doesn't break down as easily in sunlight the way pyrethrin does.

I think I'm gonna go with pyganic. It seems much safer and it's only about $5 more.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Sesame oil and citric acid is all that's needed. Both are organic and inexpensive. Sesame oil as a preventative in veg. Citric acid if you find some bugs later on. $15-20 and your set for years.

Sesame oil has not just insecticidal properties but fungicidal as well. Citric acid will kill bugs on contact and will eliminate PM as well.
 
go go kid

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insectacidal Neem oil is particularly effective against small soft-bodied insects. Examples include aphids, thrips, spider mites, mealybugs, and white flies – many of those so common to cannabis
anti fungal treatment Mixing baking soda with water, about 4 teaspoons or 1 heaping tablespoon (20 mL) to 1 gallon (4 L.) of water (Note: many resources recommend using potassium bicarbonate as a substitute for baking soda.). Dishwashing soap, without degreaser or bleach, is a popular ingredient for homemade plant fungicide.
 
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jonnynobody

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xtsho said:
Sesame oil and citric acid is all that's needed. Both are organic and inexpensive. Sesame oil as a preventative in veg. Citric acid if you find some bugs later on. $15-20 and your set for years.

Sesame oil has not just insecticidal properties but fungicidal as well. Citric acid will kill bugs on contact and will eliminate PM as well.
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Can I reduce the citric to 1tsp/quart with the sesame oil? I had problems with even 2tsp/quart burning my new growth. I tried twice with the same results. It's strange because when you first recommended this months ago I applied at 3tsp/quart on large vegging plants. The plants drooped a bit the next day but popped right out of it on the 2nd. Do you spray before lights out? I always reduce my lighting to the bare minimum after spraying anything, but I'm wondering if even that little amount of light is causing the problem. I really would like this to work because I'm running out of options here. As I enter flower in the next few days I've got spinosad and venerate on hand and I'd love to add the citric/sesame mix to the IPM rotation. I just have to make it work so I'm not damaging my plants. I'm waiting to drop the $230 on Azagaurd (concentrated Azidirachtin) because I have always had problems using neem oil. I can't ever get it to emulsify. The Azagaurd gets me the active ingredient in neem oil without monkeying around with emulsifying and I can use it up to harvest day. $230 is a nice chunk of change though and I can't spend that right now. Your advice is always much appreciated. I'll take all the tips I can get to make this work. I'll be completely forthcoming here - even the toxic pesticides I've been rotating are not solving the problem. I'm at a loss for words at this point. I started all new from seed and I didn't take any clones of the infected plants. Whatever kind of mite I have is the worst most unholy piece of shit pest I have ever encountered in my life.
 
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jonnynobody

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inth3shadowz said:
Neem Seed Meal if you're in soil, done.
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water to waste hydro :(
Neem seems to be the real go to product. I just can't get the stuff to emulsify and I'm applying via airless paint sprayer. I really don't have a way to keep the solution agitated while I apply. I kinda wish I hadn't wasted all the money I did on these toxic pesticides that aren't working. Could have had a bottle of azagaurd already. It's concentrated azadirachtin which is the active ingredient in neem. Pricey though. I refuse to pay GH their blood money for azamax. Horridly overpriced.
 
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jonnynobody said:
water to waste hydro :(
Neem seems to be the real go to product. I just can't get the stuff to emulsify and I'm applying via airless paint sprayer. I really don't have a way to keep the solution agitated while I apply. I kinda wish I hadn't wasted all the money I did on these toxic pesticides that aren't working. Could have had a bottle of azagaurd already. It's concentrated azadirachtin which is the active ingredient in neem. Pricey though. I refuse to pay GH their blood money for azamax. Horridly overpriced.
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Ah hydro, have you tried Protek by DynaGro? It's silica, but apparently along with the benefits of a stronger plant its supposed to be good for protecting from bugs.
 
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jonnynobody

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inth3shadowz said:
Ah hydro, have you tried Protek by DynaGro? It's silica, but apparently along with the benefits of a stronger plant its supposed to be good for protecting from bugs.
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I've considered trying it out because dr bronner's peppermint castile soap works for shit to emulsify neem. The Protek probably emulsifies the neem better since it was designed by the same company. Good looking out. I'll order some up and give it a whirl.
 
thumper60

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jonnynobody said:
I found this product that contains 10% permethrin that seems to be highly effective at killing pretty much any bug out there that eats cannabis.
It's labeled for food crops, but I have no intention of using it in flower if I buy it. Veg only. Anyone have experience with Permethrin? It seems to be more effective than Pyrethrin. I'm not finding any safety issues using this stuff in veg at all. Any and all thoughts welcome. I'm building an arsenal for my IPM and this stuff seems like a steal of a deal for treating pests in veg.
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Dont use that shit on ya plants LOL I use permethrin on my boots an pants to keep ticks off nasty stuff you can wash treated pants half dozen times an it still works never use on skin or plants.
 
go go kid

go go kid

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jonnynobody said:
water to waste hydro :(
Neem seems to be the real go to product. I just can't get the stuff to emulsify and I'm applying via airless paint sprayer. I really don't have a way to keep the solution agitated while I apply. I kinda wish I hadn't wasted all the money I did on these toxic pesticides that aren't working. Could have had a bottle of azagaurd already. It's concentrated azadirachtin which is the active ingredient in neem. Pricey though. I refuse to pay GH their blood money for azamax. Horridly overpriced.
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juzst a thaught, but would carb onated water qwork? it would keep the liquids moveing around
 
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jonnynobody

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mudballs said:
I need to ask for cited material backing that claim.
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insectcop.net

Permethrin vs. Pyrethrum: What’s the Difference? | INSECTCOP

Let’s explore the topic of permethrin insecticides versus pyrethrum sprays, because, although both insecticides sound similar, the have their differences.
insectcop.net insectcop.net

"Pyrethrum breaks down rapidly in water or when exposed to light. Pyrethroids, however, are more resilient."

"The main difference between these two insecticides is that permethrin is a synthetic chemical made in laboratories while pyrethrum is a completely natural substance acquired from chrysanthemums.

The effects of both pesticides are quite similar, but, as permethrin is synthetic, it is more stable and effective when exposed to sunlight. For this reason, synthetic permethrin is used in agriculture more often than pyrethrum to protect crops from unwanted insects. Farmers need more stable pesticides which can withstand exposure to sunlight on those sunny, hot summer days.
 
mudballs

mudballs

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jonnynobody said:
insectcop.net

Permethrin vs. Pyrethrum: What’s the Difference? | INSECTCOP

Let’s explore the topic of permethrin insecticides versus pyrethrum sprays, because, although both insecticides sound similar, the have their differences.
insectcop.net insectcop.net

"Pyrethrum breaks down rapidly in water or when exposed to light. Pyrethroids, however, are more resilient."

"The main difference between these two insecticides is that permethrin is a synthetic chemical made in laboratories while pyrethrum is a completely natural substance acquired from chrysanthemums.

The effects of both pesticides are quite similar, but, as permethrin is synthetic, it is more stable and effective when exposed to sunlight. For this reason, synthetic permethrin is used in agriculture more often than pyrethrum to protect crops from unwanted insects. Farmers need more stable pesticides which can withstand exposure to sunlight on those sunny, hot summer days.
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pyrethrin metabolizes out of the plant tissue
this one i mean...they are non-systemic
 
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