Burn & Crash
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You need to smoke a better quality of herb. You have it ass-backward.
Remember don't use Paraquat on your dope and don't take Ivermectin to cure Covid-19.
Paraquat and marijuana: epidemiologic risk assessment.
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
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Paraquat and marijuana: epidemiologic risk assessment.
printer
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Heads I win, tails you lose.
jimihendrix1
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So far the only proven voter fraud has been against the Rthugliklans.
tRump lost over 60 court cases invloving voter fraud, and many of the judges that threw them out, were appointed by tRump.
Anyone claiming voter fraud is just spewing shit from their mouths.
Also some of the lawyers representing tRump for voter fraud have to pay fines, and may face suspensions because they new they werent telling the truth, and were filing false claims, and abusing the legal system.
To keep saying the election was stolen only shows bias, and how uneducated you are, and wont face the truth that the orange nut lost.
In December 2020, Colorado-based attorneys Gary D. Fielder and Ernest John Walker filed a class-action lawsuit making the false, totally debunked claim that the presidential election had been stolen from then-President Donald Trump — and now, a federal judge is ordering them to pay almost $187,000 to help offset the legal costs of the groups they sued in a meritless lawsuit.
Judge N. Reid Neureiter, according to Washington Post reporter Rosalind S. Helderman, was vehemently critical of Fielder and Walker, saying, "As officers of the court, these attorneys have a higher duty and calling that requires meaningful investigation before prematurely repeating in court pleadings unverified and uninvestigated defamatory rumors that strike at the heart of our democratic system and were used by others to foment a violent insurrection that threatened our system of government. They are experienced lawyers who should have known better. They need to take responsibility for their misconduct."
Fielder and Walker filed their December 2020 lawsuit on behalf of 160 million Trump voters, who they claimed had been wronged by an elaborate plan to steal the election — and those targeted in the lawsuit included Facebook (including founder/CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan), Dominion Voting Systems and elected officials in four states. And Neureiter declared that they needed to pay a financial price for wasting the court's time with so frivolous a lawsuit. Fielder and Walker, according to Helderman, are appealing Neureiter's ruling.
Helderman notes, "Their case was dismissed in April. In August, Neureiter ruled that the attorneys had violated their ethical obligations by filing it in the first place, arguing that the duo had run afoul of legal rules that prohibit clogging the courts with frivolous motions and lodging information in court that is not true. At the time, he called their suit 'the stuff of which violent insurrections are made,' alleging they made little effort to determine the truth of their conspiratorial claims before filing them in court."
Judge orders sanctions against Sidney Powell, Lin Wood in Michigan election challenge
A federal judge ordered sanctions against attorneys involved in bringing a legal challenge against Michigan's 2020 election results, including Trump allies Sidney Powell and Lin Wood.
U.S. District Judge Linda Parker ordered the attorneys to pay the legal fees of the city and state elections officials involved in the case and referred them for further disciplinary action, including disbarment.
In a 110-page decision, Parker blasted the lawyers for seeking to undermine the election results with baseless claims of systemic election fraud.
"The attorneys who filed the instant lawsuit abused the well-established rules applicable to the litigation process by proffering claims not backed by law; proffering claims not backed by evidence (but instead, speculation, conjecture, and unwarranted suspicion); proffering factual allegations and claims without engaging in the required prefiling inquiry; and dragging out these proceedings even after they acknowledged that it was too late to attain the relief sought," Parker, an Obama appointee, wrote.
"And this case was never about fraud—it was about undermining the People’s faith in our democracy and debasing the judicial process to do so," she continued.
Powell and Wood did not immediately respond when asked for comment.
The lawsuit, filed just weeks after Election Day last year, accused public officials of illegally manipulating ballots in order to assist President Biden in getting elected and sought to decertify Michigan's vote count.
Last month, Parker grilled the plaintiffs' attorneys in a contentious virtual hearing over their work on the case, raising concerns that they used dubious evidence to support arguments for extreme requests of the court.
Wood argued during the hearing that he had only minimal involvement in the Michigan case, while Powell vigorously defended the legal team's conduct and the case they built.
"I have practiced law for 43 years and have never witnessed a proceeding like this," Powell said during the hearing. "I take full responsibility for the pleadings in this case."
tRump lost over 60 court cases invloving voter fraud, and many of the judges that threw them out, were appointed by tRump.
Anyone claiming voter fraud is just spewing shit from their mouths.
Also some of the lawyers representing tRump for voter fraud have to pay fines, and may face suspensions because they new they werent telling the truth, and were filing false claims, and abusing the legal system.
To keep saying the election was stolen only shows bias, and how uneducated you are, and wont face the truth that the orange nut lost.
In December 2020, Colorado-based attorneys Gary D. Fielder and Ernest John Walker filed a class-action lawsuit making the false, totally debunked claim that the presidential election had been stolen from then-President Donald Trump — and now, a federal judge is ordering them to pay almost $187,000 to help offset the legal costs of the groups they sued in a meritless lawsuit.
Judge N. Reid Neureiter, according to Washington Post reporter Rosalind S. Helderman, was vehemently critical of Fielder and Walker, saying, "As officers of the court, these attorneys have a higher duty and calling that requires meaningful investigation before prematurely repeating in court pleadings unverified and uninvestigated defamatory rumors that strike at the heart of our democratic system and were used by others to foment a violent insurrection that threatened our system of government. They are experienced lawyers who should have known better. They need to take responsibility for their misconduct."
Fielder and Walker filed their December 2020 lawsuit on behalf of 160 million Trump voters, who they claimed had been wronged by an elaborate plan to steal the election — and those targeted in the lawsuit included Facebook (including founder/CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan), Dominion Voting Systems and elected officials in four states. And Neureiter declared that they needed to pay a financial price for wasting the court's time with so frivolous a lawsuit. Fielder and Walker, according to Helderman, are appealing Neureiter's ruling.
Helderman notes, "Their case was dismissed in April. In August, Neureiter ruled that the attorneys had violated their ethical obligations by filing it in the first place, arguing that the duo had run afoul of legal rules that prohibit clogging the courts with frivolous motions and lodging information in court that is not true. At the time, he called their suit 'the stuff of which violent insurrections are made,' alleging they made little effort to determine the truth of their conspiratorial claims before filing them in court."
Judge orders sanctions against Sidney Powell, Lin Wood in Michigan election challenge
A federal judge ordered sanctions against attorneys involved in bringing a legal challenge against Michigan's 2020 election results, including Trump allies Sidney Powell and Lin Wood.
U.S. District Judge Linda Parker ordered the attorneys to pay the legal fees of the city and state elections officials involved in the case and referred them for further disciplinary action, including disbarment.
In a 110-page decision, Parker blasted the lawyers for seeking to undermine the election results with baseless claims of systemic election fraud.
"The attorneys who filed the instant lawsuit abused the well-established rules applicable to the litigation process by proffering claims not backed by law; proffering claims not backed by evidence (but instead, speculation, conjecture, and unwarranted suspicion); proffering factual allegations and claims without engaging in the required prefiling inquiry; and dragging out these proceedings even after they acknowledged that it was too late to attain the relief sought," Parker, an Obama appointee, wrote.
"And this case was never about fraud—it was about undermining the People’s faith in our democracy and debasing the judicial process to do so," she continued.
Powell and Wood did not immediately respond when asked for comment.
The lawsuit, filed just weeks after Election Day last year, accused public officials of illegally manipulating ballots in order to assist President Biden in getting elected and sought to decertify Michigan's vote count.
Last month, Parker grilled the plaintiffs' attorneys in a contentious virtual hearing over their work on the case, raising concerns that they used dubious evidence to support arguments for extreme requests of the court.
Wood argued during the hearing that he had only minimal involvement in the Michigan case, while Powell vigorously defended the legal team's conduct and the case they built.
"I have practiced law for 43 years and have never witnessed a proceeding like this," Powell said during the hearing. "I take full responsibility for the pleadings in this case."
jimihendrix1
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Sidney Powell Gets $100,000 Bill From Wisconsin: Governor Demands Legal Fees Over Election Lawsuit
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers asked a federal court Wednesday to force far-right attorney Sidney Powell and her client and co-counsel to be sanctioned and pay more than $100,000 in legal fees over a failed lawsuit that sought to overturn the state’s presidential results, as Powell and other lawyers who led failed post-election cases now face blowback and potential consequences across the country.
Evers asked for the La Crosse County Republican Party chairman who brought the case, as well as Powell and other attorneys, to pay $106,780 in attorneys fees the state incurred while defending themselves against the lawsuit, which failed in both a lower court and at the U.S. Supreme Court.
In an email to Forbes, Powell said Evers’ request was “baseless, improper, and out of time,” adding, “The case is closed.”
In addition to the attorneys fees, Evers also asked the court to sanction the plaintiffs and counsel, which he asked to be through paying a fine either to the court or to a voting rights organization in Wisconsin.
The lawsuit was filed “without the support of credible, relevant, or remotely admissible evidence,” Evers’ attorneys wrote, and was “based entirely upon inadmissible, outlandish, and speculative testimony” that alleged widespread voter fraud but “obviously lacked any plausible or factual basis.”
“The audacity of this lawsuit—an attack on the bedrock principle that ballots decide elections, brought without any legal or factual basis almost four weeks after the election—merits sanctions,” the filing argues. “A message must be sent that this type of behavior cannot be tolerated in the judicial system, and that attorneys should avoid these types of frivolous attempts to disenfranchise voters in the future.”
TANGENT
In addition to the Powell case, Evers also filed a separate request Wednesday in former President Donald Trump’s post-election federal lawsuit against the state, which similarly asks the court to sanction the ex-president and his counsel and for them to pay $145,174.90 in attorney fees. “There is no doubt that Trump and his attorneys brought and litigated this lawsuit in bad faith,” the governor’s attorneys argued.
KEY BACKGROUND
Powell led a series of failed post-election lawsuits in battleground states that alleged widespread voter fraud and sought to overturn the election results. She and other Trump allies are now being sued for defamation by voting companies Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic for pushing fraud claims involving their machines in the lawsuits and in public statements. In addition to the Wisconsin filing, state and local officials in Michigan are also seeking to have the attorney sanctioned and disbarred over her lawsuit in that state, and an ethics complaint has been filed against her and other lawyers in Arizona. Beyond Powell, other GOP attorneys involved in Trump and his allies’ failed legal campaign to overturn the election are also facing consequences: Georgia counties have asked the court to force Trump and his attorneys to pay nearly $17,000 in legal fees, a judge has referred a lawyer to a disciplinary panel over his lawsuit and the Arizona GOP was forced to pay $18,000 in legal fees over an election lawsuit. Attorney Lin Wood, who worked with Powell on multiple post-election cases and is now representing her in the Dominion lawsuit, is also now facing investigations from state bars in Georgia and Arizona.
Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers asked a federal court Wednesday to force far-right attorney Sidney Powell and her client and co-counsel to be sanctioned and pay more than $100,000 in legal fees over a failed lawsuit that sought to overturn the state’s presidential results, as Powell and other lawyers who led failed post-election cases now face blowback and potential consequences across the country.
Evers asked for the La Crosse County Republican Party chairman who brought the case, as well as Powell and other attorneys, to pay $106,780 in attorneys fees the state incurred while defending themselves against the lawsuit, which failed in both a lower court and at the U.S. Supreme Court.
In an email to Forbes, Powell said Evers’ request was “baseless, improper, and out of time,” adding, “The case is closed.”
In addition to the attorneys fees, Evers also asked the court to sanction the plaintiffs and counsel, which he asked to be through paying a fine either to the court or to a voting rights organization in Wisconsin.
The lawsuit was filed “without the support of credible, relevant, or remotely admissible evidence,” Evers’ attorneys wrote, and was “based entirely upon inadmissible, outlandish, and speculative testimony” that alleged widespread voter fraud but “obviously lacked any plausible or factual basis.”
“The audacity of this lawsuit—an attack on the bedrock principle that ballots decide elections, brought without any legal or factual basis almost four weeks after the election—merits sanctions,” the filing argues. “A message must be sent that this type of behavior cannot be tolerated in the judicial system, and that attorneys should avoid these types of frivolous attempts to disenfranchise voters in the future.”
TANGENT
In addition to the Powell case, Evers also filed a separate request Wednesday in former President Donald Trump’s post-election federal lawsuit against the state, which similarly asks the court to sanction the ex-president and his counsel and for them to pay $145,174.90 in attorney fees. “There is no doubt that Trump and his attorneys brought and litigated this lawsuit in bad faith,” the governor’s attorneys argued.
KEY BACKGROUND
Powell led a series of failed post-election lawsuits in battleground states that alleged widespread voter fraud and sought to overturn the election results. She and other Trump allies are now being sued for defamation by voting companies Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic for pushing fraud claims involving their machines in the lawsuits and in public statements. In addition to the Wisconsin filing, state and local officials in Michigan are also seeking to have the attorney sanctioned and disbarred over her lawsuit in that state, and an ethics complaint has been filed against her and other lawyers in Arizona. Beyond Powell, other GOP attorneys involved in Trump and his allies’ failed legal campaign to overturn the election are also facing consequences: Georgia counties have asked the court to force Trump and his attorneys to pay nearly $17,000 in legal fees, a judge has referred a lawyer to a disciplinary panel over his lawsuit and the Arizona GOP was forced to pay $18,000 in legal fees over an election lawsuit. Attorney Lin Wood, who worked with Powell on multiple post-election cases and is now representing her in the Dominion lawsuit, is also now facing investigations from state bars in Georgia and Arizona.
Roger A. Shrubber
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they need to make examples of these lawyers, so NO lawyer in the near future will want to do anything even close to similar. skin em alive and nail the hides to the city gates
printer
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Just the Deep State squashing the lone voices of truth in the wilderness.
Ha ha, I made a funny one.
DIY-HP-LED
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Congress Subpoenas Roger Stone; Stone Reacts by Throwing Trump Aide Katrina Pierson Under the Bus
Longtime Donal Trump associate, self-described political dirty trickster and convicted-and-pardoned felon Roger Stone has been subpoenaed by the House select committee investigating the insurrection. Stone reacted - curiously - by throwing under the bus former Trump campaign spokesperson and aide Katrin Pierson.
Last time Stone was hauled before Congress - when Congress was investigating all things Trump-Russia - Stone lied repeatedly and subsequently was indicted, tried, convicted and pardoned. How might hits latest development play out? And how many times can a villain appear in a movie before he has overstayed his welcome?
Longtime Donal Trump associate, self-described political dirty trickster and convicted-and-pardoned felon Roger Stone has been subpoenaed by the House select committee investigating the insurrection. Stone reacted - curiously - by throwing under the bus former Trump campaign spokesperson and aide Katrin Pierson.
Last time Stone was hauled before Congress - when Congress was investigating all things Trump-Russia - Stone lied repeatedly and subsequently was indicted, tried, convicted and pardoned. How might hits latest development play out? And how many times can a villain appear in a movie before he has overstayed his welcome?
CatHedral
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There was that scene with a helicopter, a power chair and a bald guy.
Fogdog
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lulz, I wish it were a simple as that but I do agree.
Watching Fox News or other radical right wing entertainment channels for the "news" makes one less informed.
For example:
CatHedral
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What floors me is that it should be a cinch to nail Fox and papa Murdoch on conspiracy charges. Bam felony.
And yet. I hope what I’m missing is ok.
hanimmal
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Looks like the propagandist wants to make sure that everyone can get their stories straight while they can send out their militarized troll army out to brainwash their cult into believing whatever lying narrative they spam into existence while being able to pretend like it is organic.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stephen-k-bannons-lawyers-file-opposition-to-keeping-documents-from-being-released/2021/11/25/29889174-4e3e-11ec-b73b-a00d6e559a6e_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stephen-k-bannons-lawyers-file-opposition-to-keeping-documents-from-being-released/2021/11/25/29889174-4e3e-11ec-b73b-a00d6e559a6e_story.html
CunningCanuk
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hanimmal
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CatHedral
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And yet, even unpunctuated, it scans as correct. Comparison/contrast with the spew from the usual illiterates is left as an exercise for the reader.
CunningCanuk
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When you’re right, you’re right.
canndo
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Indeed.
I grow weary of the conflation of bias with LIE. NO source of news can be totally unbiased, the nature of news outlets, editing staff, reporting and space itself forbids totally unbiased reporting. There has never been such a thing and there never will be.
One can easily winnow the truth from any series of "biased" articles or reports. Triangulation and reason allow us to arrive at what truth may be inherent.
And truth by definition is embedded in even the most "biased" source.
Lies, on the other hand may well be devoid of reality.
But the right has managed to disqualify any news it does not enjoy by suggesting that any bias evident in a source must be interpreted as a lie.
It is a marvelous system that has people believe an earnest lie over any "biased" story.
I found this quote after I posted this.. it is a perfect example of my argument.
"Anyone who follows the washington compost is a tool. not a sharp one either".
I'm other words.."The post is biased and therefor never to be believed, but I now own the truth and I got it from Mark levin"
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CatHedral
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Yes, but what tools do you suggest one uses to separate bias from outright misinfo?
canndo
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Start with your own bias. If you read an article that portrays a person or group in a way you really want to believe is the awful truth then dig some more.
Then try relying on the media. The media plays upon itself. If one newspaper catches another in an error, the media will cannibalize itself. No better story than catching another outlet in a lie. When fox was caught in editing a biden speech on "negros" then the reporter is a hero no matter what paper he works for.
Try to go outside the country for news.
Triangulation, read or scan three different stories. Of course often you may find that the other stories are actually stories OF the original story and not original investigation.
And be willing to abandon your belief in a particular story if doubts from other sources are raised.
History..has the source retracted news in the past?
Look for words.. I think it was you that said that purposeful misspellings are a flag.
Nick naming the Washington Post is a clue here, the author is likely to not investigate that which he espouses or actually believes. Levin coined that adolescent little nick name the Washington compost.
I have a degree in journalism and worked in the industry, other than a new need to generate revenue, reporters and editors still place a high value on truth.
CatHedral
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Thanks. I trained into a field almost diametrically opposed.
Grandpapy
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The oil Industry? Lets talk dome caps!