I need advice from former meth addicts!!!

thecosmicgoat

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I'm not arguing. I asked you to post some citation on some claims I had never heard before.

I wont clutter OPs thread anymore. You and I will never see eye to eye on this.

Shame about those taxes...
Lol, obviously you don't know many addicts. Cause they're all fucked. I know very few people who make it out of hard addiction. It's a sad reality.
Yes there are success stories, but when they take the spot light, it shadows out the reality of how many don't get help. Fentanyl takes several lives daily in BC. A couple thousand every year and the numbers just keep growing.
I can only hope every addict can find the desire to stop using.
 

hotrodharley

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I thought I would give an update to this old thread. My step daughter is living on the streets, grandson is in jail again, daughter is still struggling. I moved from South Florida to the mountains of Virginia. I know that meth is here too, but I live back in the holler and I don't know any meth addicts. If you are able to escape this drug you are very fortunate. I have not personally seen it happen.
I live in deep Interior Alaska. The nearest village is 10 miles away. No bank. No barber shop. No nothing. But the Natives are on meth! I'm living next to a junkyard that's totally hidden and hasn't operated since the guy died of an overdose years ago. But his scumbag son has been whacked running a meth lab there twice and this last summer they were back again. That shit is everywhere.

I'm sorry to hear of your family members.
 

PadawanWarrior

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After someone's been using meth for for a year or more there isn't much chance they'll ever get away from it. Meth destroys the brain and body. Treatment doesn't work and instead has become a revolving door and nothing more than a money making racket. The only way to get a hard core meth addict clean is to lock them up away from meth. They'll steal from anyone to support their nasty habit. It sucks for those affected but it is what it is.




Portland Oregon. Meth capital. Heroin as well. Addicts are everywhere.

"Oregon has long experienced the ravages of meth. At one point, Oregon had the most meth addicts per capita in the country. The viral Faces of Meth anti-drug campaign from the 2000s began in Multnomah County."

"The Department of Justice recently made a major drug bust in Portland, taking down two trafficking cells and seizing more than 40 pounds of meth. In October, officers made the largest meth bust in Oregon history in Eugene — 384 pounds of methamphetamine, worth more than a million dollars, along with stolen guns and thousands of dollars in cash."

Why am I not surprised about Portland, lol. So sad. It use to be a really cool city. I hope they still have people to pump your gas for you.
 

Tangerine_

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That's not how it works.

Your experiences does not speak for everyone. You live in a very large city full of addicts. Of course youre going to see more failure ( homelessness) then recoveries because those who get better, better themselves and leave. Where would you visit or frequent where you'd hear about any success stories?
You dont hear about success stories because in order to get clean, they have to literally reinvent themselves. No one wants to be painted with the ugly stereotypes attatched to addiction and/or treatments. I've worked with a couple of recovering addicts that not only managed to get free of opiates and meth but went on to earn college degrees and are now productive members of society. They were both two of best nurses I ever worked with and I learned a LOT from them.
 
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MisterKister

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Hopefully Oregon decriminalization of all drugs works like the Portugal model and not be the meme of the nation
 

xtsho

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You dont hear about success stories because in order to get clean, they have to literally reinvent themselves. No one want to be painted with the ugly stereotypes attatched to addiction and/or treatments. I've worked with a couple of recovering addicts that not only managed to get free of opiates and meth but went on to earn college degrees and are now productive members of society. They were both two of best nurses I ever worked with and I learned a LOT from them.
For every one success story there are dozens of stories that were not successful. I know people that have gotten clean and moved on with their lives. But the fact is that most don't and treatment is a revolving door for the vast majority of addicts who only go to stay out of jail and continue using while they go. If they do stay clean for their 90 day program they're back on the drugs shortly after.

I commend everyone that is able to kick a bad drug habit and they should feel lucky to be one of the few that did. But those stories while nice and all are just a speck and reality is that most never get their shit together and spend the rest of their lives in a constant quest for their next fix.

I also have less concern for the addict than the family that has to deal with having an addict in the family. It affects their lives. The addict made a choice. The families didn't have that choice and still pay the price.

Hopefully Oregon decriminalization of all drugs works like the Portugal model and not be the meme of the nation
Well telling from the numerous times I've seen people sitting out in public smoking meth or whatever off of a piece of aluminum foil or baking a glass pipe without a care in the world as people walk by I'm guessing meme. People can't take their kids to the parks because they're full of people doing drugs. Needles everywhere.

No it isn't working it's just getting worse. The addict now know they won't be arrested so it's emboldened them to just do their dope wherever they please. They don't even try and hide it anymore.
 

Tangerine_

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For every one success story there are dozens of stories that were not successful. I know people that have gotten clean and moved on with their lives. But the fact is that most don't and treatment is a revolving door for the vast majority of addicts who only go to stay out of jail and continue using while they go. If they do stay clean for their 90 day program they're back on the drugs shortly after.

I commend everyone that is able to kick a bad drug habit and they should feel lucky to be one of the few that did. But those stories while nice and all are just a speck and reality is that most never get their shit together and spend the rest of their lives in a constant quest for their next fix.

I also have less concern for the addict than the family that has to deal with having an addict in the family. It affects their lives. The addict made a choice. The families didn't have that choice and still pay the price.



Well telling from the numerous times I've seen people sitting out in public smoking meth or whatever off of a piece of aluminum foil or baking a glass pipe without a care in the world as people walk by I'm guessing meme. People can't take their kids to the parks because they're full of people doing drugs. Needles everywhere.

No it isn't working it's just getting worse. The addict now know they won't be arrested so it's emboldened them to just do their dope wherever they please. They don't even try and hide it anymore.
Ok. Now let it go because this not a discussion I'm going to have with you, nor am I going to continue to clutter up Cids thread. She's endured enough loss and heartache.
And you and I will never see eye to eye on this very complex subject anyway.
 
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MisterKister

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Well telling from the numerous times I've seen people sitting out in public smoking meth or whatever off of a piece of aluminum foil or baking a glass pipe without a care in the world as people walk by I'm guessing meme. People can't take their kids to the parks because they're full of people doing drugs. Needles everywhere.

No it isn't working it's just getting worse. The addict now know they won't be arrested so it's emboldened them to just do their dope wherever they please. They don't even try and hide it anymore.
I think that's how it went in Portugal then after little bit usage rates went down
 

xtsho

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Ok. Now let it go because this not a discussion I'm going to have with you, nor am I going to continue to clutter up Cids thread. She's endured enough loss and heartache.
And you and I will never see eye to eye on this very complex subject anyway.
You're right. You care about the addicts. I care about the other people affected by their choices like the OP of this thread.
 

Milky Weed

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I’m sorry for your troubles. The only thing addiction does is take. It takes until nothing is left.

Hopefully there suffering will become great enough that they will seek help. That’s all we can hope for.
I thought I would give an update to this old thread. My step daughter is living on the streets, grandson is in jail again, daughter is still struggling. I moved from South Florida to the mountains of Virginia. I know that meth is here too, but I live back in the holler and I don't know any meth addicts. If you are able to escape this drug you are very fortunate. I have not personally seen it happen.
I’m sorry for your troubles. The only thing addiction does is take. It takes until nothing is left.

Hopefully there suffering will become great enough that they will seek help. That’s all we can hope for.
 

natureboygrower

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Lol, obviously you don't know many addicts. Cause they're all fucked. I know very few people who make it out of hard addiction. It's a sad reality.
Yes there are success stories, but when they take the spot light, it shadows out the reality of how many don't get help. Fentanyl takes several lives daily in BC. A couple thousand every year and the numbers just keep growing.
I can only hope every addict can find the desire to stop using.
"Cause they're all fucked" yeah a lot of it starts off with childhood trauma. Molestation, physical/verbal abuse.
Great post dude. Very insightful. So hopeful.

So success stories shouldn't be heard? Maybe it would help other addicts get clean, help family family members sse a positive, show people like xtsho thst his taxes are accomplishing something. You lose hope you really have nothing left.

No need to school me on fentanyl. A POUND was just seized in my State, Maine. We have less than 1.5M people living here.
 

hotrodharley

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For every one success story there are dozens of stories that were not successful. I know people that have gotten clean and moved on with their lives. But the fact is that most don't and treatment is a revolving door for the vast majority of addicts who only go to stay out of jail and continue using while they go. If they do stay clean for their 90 day program they're back on the drugs shortly after.

I commend everyone that is able to kick a bad drug habit and they should feel lucky to be one of the few that did. But those stories while nice and all are just a speck and reality is that most never get their shit together and spend the rest of their lives in a constant quest for their next fix.

I also have less concern for the addict than the family that has to deal with having an addict in the family. It affects their lives. The addict made a choice. The families didn't have that choice and still pay the price.



Well telling from the numerous times I've seen people sitting out in public smoking meth or whatever off of a piece of aluminum foil or baking a glass pipe without a care in the world as people walk by I'm guessing meme. People can't take their kids to the parks because they're full of people doing drugs. Needles everywhere.

No it isn't working it's just getting worse. The addict now know they won't be arrested so it's emboldened them to just do their dope wherever they please. They don't even try and hide it anymore.
Used syringes all over Alaska. In parks including dog parks. Addiction is a strong enemy.
 

thecosmicgoat

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"Cause they're all fucked" yeah a lot of it starts off with childhood trauma. Molestation, physical/verbal abuse.
Great post dude. Very insightful. So hopeful.

So success stories shouldn't be heard? Maybe it would help other addicts get clean, help family family members sse a positive, show people like xtsho thst his taxes are accomplishing something. You lose hope you really have nothing left.

No need to school me on fentanyl. A POUND was just seized in my State, Maine. We have less than 1.5M people living here.
That's right, addiction is easy to resolve. Recovery, a cake walk. People should only need a couple days in a recovery center. And never to return. All walking the streets preaching on how to fix your broken life.

Ask yourself this. Why do they put gross pictures on cigarette packs? And not healthy athletes who've walked away from tobacco. Baseball players who've stopped chewing etc.

If you are so schooled in fentanyl and opiate use, why do the numbers keep growing? Would not watching your friends die off be enough to deter someone from stop using?

Do you have experience in these subjects or only read what USA today has to say on these problems? Or maybe you've seen a special documentary on fox new or CNN.

Because I'm coming from 20 years in recovery with 9.5 years sober off hard drugs and alcohol.
 

CatHedral

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Coming from a recovering addict. You gotta be willing to give it up man. Only she has the power to change my friend. I’m so sorry. I’m three years sober. It takes will. And like a few said, bottom. Yeah
“A sustained act of opposed will” yes.
 

natureboygrower

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That's right, addiction is easy to resolve. Recovery, a cake walk. People should only need a couple days in a recovery center. And never to return. All walking the streets preaching on how to fix your broken life.

Ask yourself this. Why do they put gross pictures on cigarette packs? And not healthy athletes who've walked away from tobacco. Baseball players who've stopped chewing etc.

If you are so schooled in fentanyl and opiate use, why do the numbers keep growing? Would not watching your friends die off be enough to deter someone from stop using?

Do you have experience in these subjects or only read what USA today has to say on these problems? Or maybe you've seen a special documentary on fox new or CNN.

Because I'm coming from 20 years in recovery with 9.5 years sober off hard drugs and alcohol.
One of the problems with treatments and rehabs is that they are not long enough and not everyone's case is the same. Years of drug abuse coupled with a mental illness or PTSD will not be fixed in 30 day program. But with the right counseling and meds, if the person wants it bad enough, even the worst cases can be helped ( with a longer rehab than 30 days)

As far as the fentanyl numbers growing? Sounds like it's addictive AF and some can get away shooting gram shots while others OD from one foil hit. A very strange and deadly drug.

Congrats on your sobriety. It's not an easy road but is so worth it. This past September marked my 17th year.
 
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xtsho

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The money spent on government subsidies for treatment should be spent on prevention programs starting at an early age. You can spend all the money in the world on treatment programs that have a terrible success rate or you can spend that money to prevent the next generation from ever becoming an addict.

I'm going to make an analogy and I don't care if anyone sees any relation.

You have an automobile. If you take care of it early on by changing the oil regularly to PREVENT any damage to the engine it can run without problems for 200,000 miles. If you take the same automobile and don't take care of it early on waiting until the oil no longer provides the necessary lubrication parts of the engine start to break down you may have to replace bearings and other components. You replace one bearing but in a short time another bearing will go that will need to be replaced. Replace that and then something else is going to break down later because the damage was done early on in the engines life.

Look at those continued failures of the engine as a relapse with and addict. The damage has already been done and breakdowns are going to continue to occur for the life of the engine while the engine that was taken care of early on is still functioning properly. Which is why the only way we get a handle on addiction is by focusing on the young and doing everything possible to prevent them from becoming addicts in the first place. This "after the fact" lets get them clean has been a failure. More money is spent every year on treatment yet the addiction rate continues to go up. That pretty much says it all.

Prevention is the key. Treatment works for just a small fraction of those already addicted. And with states doing ridiculous things like Oregon decriminalizing hard drugs like Meth, Heroin, and Cocaine for personal use all they're doing is making things worse. Now instead of getting locked up in jail long enough to get clean they get a ticket and just find a more secluded location to stick that needle in their arm or bake that glass pipe.

Prevention starts early on. It should start in grade school. Children should see images of addicts on the streets from Portland Oregon to Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia early on so they're exposed to what could happen to them. If it scares them then good. You want them to be sacred because that's what will keep them from doing it in the first place.

After decades of failed focus on treatment it's time we focused 100% on prevention. In the decades of a focus on treatment more people have become addicts that would not have had more focus been devoted to prevention.

Focus on treatment has been a failure. It's time to do it right and prevent it.

There's a product called Preen which is used to prevent weed seeds from sprouting. Some use that instead of dealing with the weeds later on. Prevent the seeds from sprouting to begin with.
 

Dreminen169

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Shiskaberry was the first strain that brought me back to cannabis after going over the deep end with opiates and eventually to heroin. I Honestly never believed I would ever be able to get off the stuff. I would ALWAYS relapse after 30 days Max:( This went on for 10 years... I was a “functioning addict” held down a job and everything the whole time! It wasn’t until I found cannabis again and started smoking Shiskaberry everyday (cuz that’s what I had @ time) that I was able to finally stop with the opiates all together! April 22nd marked a whole year☃ & 2 years is right around the corner:D

I have been growing & smoking cannabis off & on my whole life. My first joint was at age 11 & my first cannabis plant that I ever grew was at age 12. MY first successful harvest was @ 19 (Didn’t try again till I was 19). I was an everyday smoker from age 17-23. I regret ever quitting because after quitting cannabis was when the opiates took over and never stopped till now:) Shit, had I known all it would’ve taken to get off the stuff was to start smoking again I could have saved sooo much time, $, & aggravation❗

Looking back on everything, smoking everyday definitely helped, but I think growing cannabis was the real lifesaver that kept me sober. Having the responsibility of looking after the plants, making sure they didn’t die, & then the reward of getting them to harvest:weed:. Plus, in a weird way measuring out nutrients & mixing them up or cooking them up as I like to say has a lot of parallels to to drug use. Also, just getting my hands in the dirt & chillin in the grow room is like meditation for me.

I don’t fuck around in any 12-step groups or programs because they just seem to trigger me and bring back too many bad memories, so I stay away & just stick to growing. Growing has turned into my main passion in life, and I truly believe if I was unable to grow I would still be standing in that same gangway, waiting in line alongside 20 other addicts to get served on the west side.
 
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