Pandemic 2020

[injinji]

I would assume this new variant will affect those numbers ……. Na probably not .

I'm not sure who was getting them, but one day this week I heard there had been 6M shots gave that day, and only half of them were boosters.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

80 % of new cases are 18-29 group .

but they're young and strong, with good immune systems...joe rogan said so.....we'll see how invincible youth actually is, i guess

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

80 % of new cases are 18-29 group

That's the demographic Health Canada has been warning us about for some time now, the vaccine resistant. In a way it could be good news, depending on how many of them were vaxxed vs unvaxxed. I seems to indicate on the surface that the vaxxed are more resistant, I understand a lot of those cases are omicron? Delta affected youth more too and omicron appears to be the same, the original strain never bothered kids or young people too much, was much less contagious and there appeared to be more asymptomatic cases back then too.

If universities are gonna send sports teams across the country, they should at least make vaccination mandatory, or the province should, ditto for schools. We are lucky enough to have people in classes FFS, college sports, much less travel for it is an idiotic idea, only do what is necessary. We are not back to normal and won't be for awhile, this is the new norm, until science can get our asses out of the jam.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Don't the courts have mandatory masks and vaccinations themselves? Would the SCOTUS hear a case from unvaxxed and un masked lawyers in person? Would any court? Are their staff vaxxed and is it enforced?
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U.S. COVID-19 vaccine mandate revived for workers

A U.S. appeals court reinstated a nationwide vaccine-or-testing COVID-19 mandate for large businesses, which covers 80 million American workers, prompting opponents to rush to the Supreme Court to ask it to intervene

 

[Budley Doright]

Don't the courts have mandatory masks and vaccinations themselves? Would the SCOTUS hear a case from unvaxxed and un masked lawyers in person? Would any court? Are their staff vaxxed and is it enforced?
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U.S. COVID-19 vaccine mandate revived for workers

A U.S. appeals court reinstated a nationwide vaccine-or-testing COVID-19 mandate for large businesses, which covers 80 million American workers, prompting opponents to rush to the Supreme Court to ask it to intervene

I would love to see a mandate for all in home service providers (like HVAC) be mandated here. We have 2 antivaxers that I would think should not be able to enter home. Their one of the reasons I work from home and not the office.

 

[canndo]

I would love to see a mandate for all in home service providers (like HVAC) be mandated here. We have 2 antivaxers that I would think should not be able to enter home. Their one of the reasons I work from home and not the office.

I'm afraid the horse has left the barn. I think the time for vax mandates has passed. This new variant, should it prove as deadly as the last no longer respects the parameter of vaccination.

Thanks to their resistance we may all, again, have been tossed into the same tiny, unstable little boat.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I would love to see a mandate for all in home service providers (like HVAC) be mandated here. We have 2 antivaxers that I would think should not be able to enter home. Their one of the reasons I work from home and not the office.

That's up to Doug, just federally mandated interprovincial stuff is covered by the feds. I do believe in mandates and have concluded that some people are too stupid or antisocial, not to have them. Almost everybody has multiple mandated vaccines from childhood FFS! We need to make some changes to our public health laws, pandemics are global and as we have seen borders can make a difference, even if to just slow it down. There needs to be more centralized authority over public health when a pandemic is declared, just like when a war is declared. We already have draconian public health laws on the books, or can make them constitutionally on a provincial level. This is just a reasonable reaction to experience, there will be resistant and militant people and folks will tire of repeated waves, we need to leverage our experience and what we've learned for future pandemics.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I'm afraid the horse has left the barn. I think the time for vax mandates has passed. This new variant, should it prove as deadly as the last no longer respects the parameter of vaccination.

Thanks to their resistance we may all, again, have been tossed into the same tiny, unstable little boat.

The vaccines are still effective, just not as much and those with breakthrough cases who are vaxxed seem to do much better. We have an explosion of cases, we will have to see how hospitalizations and deaths track with cases, when compared to a year ago. We will know soon enough, right now there is conflicting information as is always the case in the beginning.

 

[Budley Doright]

but they're young and strong, with good immune systems...joe rogan said so.....we'll see how invincible youth actually is, i guess

Not to mention them giving it to me when I need to go to the grocery store (Joe Rogan can eat the peanuts out of my poo) ……. and whoever else that’s in their family. Actually I was kind of freaking out a bit trying to book a booster but today I’m thinking we’re all gonna get it so hopefully it’s not that bad. Just talked to my kid and her husband has had basically a bad cold that’s starting to get better after 3-4 days. But 37 and pretty fit. What a shit show this planet has evolved to .

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I would love to see a mandate for all in home service providers (like HVAC) be mandated here. We have 2 antivaxers that I would think should not be able to enter home. Their one of the reasons I work from home and not the office.

If you quit or retire early, tell them you will be available for consulting and contract work, you might make more money and have more freedom, you work from home anyway. I know lot's of guys who retired and consulted with their former employer and many of them are engineers. There's big money I imagine in air cleaning and UV sterilization installation and design, there should be a big demand from schools and other public places for effective retrofit and additional systems to manage airflows etc.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm afraid the horse has left the barn. I think the time for vax mandates has passed. This new variant, should it prove as deadly as the last no longer respects the parameter of vaccination.

Thanks to their resistance we may all, again, have been tossed into the same tiny, unstable little boat.

That bit about no longer respects the parameter of vaccination, I don't think is true. What I've read thus far is that the Omicron variant is better at getting though the defenses even if immunized, between 30% and 70% less likely to become infected if exposed. But being unvaxxed is practically asking for Covid. The main benefit that remains after Omicron is that one is less likely to become seriously ill if one is infected by the virus if one is up to date on their vaccinations and booster.

Disturbing how the recent report said the researches saw declining prevention just weeks after the booster was given. But they don't say no protection, they say declining. It's still early and data is still very thin. It's going to be a couple more months before the story begins to firm up.

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[DIY-HP-LED]

Not to mention them giving it to me when I need to go to the grocery store (Joe Rogan can eat the peanuts out of my poo) ……. and whoever else that’s in their family. Actually I was kind of freaking out a bit trying to book a booster but today I’m thinking we’re all gonna get it so hopefully it’s not that bad. Just talked to my kid and her husband has had basically a bad cold that’s starting to get better after 3-4 days. But 37 and pretty fit. What a shit show this planet has evolved to .

I figure if yer gonna get omicron, best to do it a month or so after a boost and while the hospitals aren't fucking swamped! I'm due for a boost on Jan 18th, but we have a big omicron outbreak here in NS now.

 

[canndo]

That bit about no longer respects the parameter of vaccination, I don't think is true. What I've read thus far is that the Omicron variant is better at getting though the defenses even if immunized, between 30% and 70% less likely to become infected if exposed. But being unvaxxed is practically asking for Covid. The main benefit that remains after Omicron is that one is less likely to become seriously ill if one is infected by the virus if one is up to date on their vaccinations and booster.

Disturbing how the recent report said the researches saw declining prevention just weeks after the booster was given. But they don't say no protection, they say declining. It's still early and data is still very thin. It's going to be a couple more months before the story begins to firm up.

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The figure I have encountered is 0 to 20 percent.

 

[Fogdog]

Not to mention them giving it to me when I need to go to the grocery store (Joe Rogan can eat the peanuts out of my poo) ……. and whoever else that’s in their family. Actually I was kind of freaking out a bit trying to book a booster but today I’m thinking we’re all gonna get it so hopefully it’s not that bad. Just talked to my kid and her husband has had basically a bad cold that’s starting to get better after 3-4 days. But 37 and pretty fit. What a shit show this planet has evolved to .

Long Covid can affect a person who is asymptomatic. So, no. Don't give in. We still need to work, shop and go to school, so we are all likely to be exposed to the live virus at some time this winter. But mask up with N95, not fabric masks, follow social distancing guidelines, do the things they say we should do to stay healthy and it's quite possible to avoid getting the disease this winter. Not zero but pretty small odds of getting Covid.

Long term, I don't know where this all goes. But for now, it's not inevitable that we will all get it.

 

[Fogdog]

The figure I have encountered is 0 to 20 percent.

I've seen numbers from 0 to 90. I guess the best thing to do is prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Edit:
Depending on the estimates used for vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection from the Delta variant, this translates into vaccine effectiveness of between 0% and 20% after two doses, and between 55% and 80% after a booster dose.
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[DIY-HP-LED]

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Long Covid can affect a person who is asymptomatic. So, no. Don't give in. We still need to work, shop and go to school, so we are all likely to be exposed to the live virus at some time this winter. But mask up with N95, not fabric masks, follow social distancing guidelines, do the things they say we should do to stay healthy and it's quite possible to avoid getting the disease this winter. Not zero but pretty small odds of getting Covid.

Long term, I don't know where this all goes. But for now, it's not inevitable that we will all get it.

In any case we are all obliged to protect the healthcare system to the extent we can by protecting ourselves, whether omicron is enviable or not. The longer we can delay getting infected the less likely we will deal with overwhelmed hospitals that will soon be filled with the unvaxxed, for the most part. The rules remain the same, we all know them, N95 masks are plentiful, there is better testing and as more time passes there will be more effective treatments, if we do get sick.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

Good luck, maybe it's something else, the flu is tearing up parts of Michigan.

Thank you Captain. I got a negative rapid test. But I still feel terrible. I got my flu shot a couple months ago, so ?. Just to be sure I scheduled another Covid test tomorrow, this time the more accurate PCR/NAAT covid test.

Good luck. We are having a lot of flu here in Florida, so maybe that's it.

thank you! I got my flu shot, maybe it’s a break thru flu.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Thank you Captain. I got a negative rapid test. But I still feel terrible. I got my flu shot a couple months ago, so ?. Just to be sure I scheduled another Covid test tomorrow, this time the more accurate PCR/NAAT covid test.

thank you! I got my flu shot, maybe it’s a break thru flu.

There is a nasty cold going around too, you have fever/chills? The symptoms of omicron are different, but the case count is so low at this point it is unlikely you caught it. There are a lot of other things that can make you feel like shit though and if you are feeling sick when tested, if it's covid, it should show positive, if there is enough virus to make you feel ill.

 

[Budley Doright]

I figure if yer gonna get omicron, best to do it a month or so after a boost and while the hospitals aren't fucking swamped! I'm due for a boost on Jan 18th, but we have a big omicron outbreak here in NS now.

Yes I saw that numbers are going up. Best time to get it? Lol I’ll try .