Another gun thread

[OG-KGP]

I can agree with all of this depending on what you mean by 'media' in this part.



Media means anything, you were technically 'media' when you posted. I don't agree with the 'both sides' part unless you mean the fact that right wing/foreign nations have been seen cat fishing as 'the left' to make it look like it the Democrats are doing the same things that the Republicans/right wing propagandists have been to drive us apart, and they have not.

Thanks for the reply but in my opinion, if you think one party is good and the other as bad, I personally think you have the blinders on. I feel both sides are equally terrible and our a common threat to all of us. I do not trust, nor blindly follow either.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

For example, if someone does a mass shooting, that person should be charged, and not the means of them doing it. A bad cop, shouldn't represent the good ones. An irresponsible gun owner shouldn't have anything to do with those that are responsible, or the responsible ones shouldn't face any penalty or scrutiny from anyone by the actions of someone else. Above all, I believe in freedom

the problem is that the gun industry has been pushing lawmakers to allow more and more deadly weapons to be sold to the public, to make more money from an already fucked up situation...
good cops should be calling out bad cops, and stopping them from being "bad"...
and unfortunately, the bad apples still spoil the whole barrel for everyone...if irresponsible assholes can get things like ghost guns, bump stocks, conversion kits, retardedly oversize magazines...then you have to make those things unavailable to anyone...but no one really needs any of those things, anyway...unless you're planning to do something you shouldn't be planning to do.
freedom comes with responsibilities, and no one wants to deal with those responsibilities...until they get dealt with, this debate will never end

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Thanks for the reply but in my opinion, if you think one party is good and the other as bad, I personally think you have the blinders on. I feel both sides are equally terrible and our a common threat to all of us. I do not trust, nor blindly follow either.

the democrats are far from innocent, but they aren't trying to steal the rights of minorities and women, they aren't illegally gerrymandering districts to gain or retain seats they should be losing, they didn't incite an insurrection when their candidate lost a legitimate election, they don't have members that spew hateful bile on right wing media, calling other members of congress terrorists and perverts, and worse...did you see the anime where a democrat was killing the president of the united states with swords? yeah, me neither, because a democrat didn't make a video like that, a republican did....democrats aren't holding up important ambassadorial positions and other key appointments over silly ass pet projects...
so yeah, they're both totally equally bad....

 

[CatHedral]

This thread was a good read and touched on many topics. The name calling and bashing were at a minimum which I personally like.

The topic of civil war is interesting to me. Seems many talk about it, but I doubt it would ever happen. Like you, I don't consider myself a dem or rep, but unlike you, I lean a little more conservative but at my own judgment, nothing to do with what a party is telling me.

I don't think its about who has the guns, more about who is willing to fight. Which, I bet is not very many. There wouldn't be red coat vs blue coats, or whites vs minorities. You might not even know who was on the other side until it was too late, being many don't express their politics and a lot, just want to be happy. All military and law enforcement are people just like you and I. They have family and opinions just like we do. I would hope they would put down their arms before killing people on the other side over politics, whatever that might be.

I can honestly say, in the last hundred years, many things have changed, and I hope we can all agree that they are for the better, or at least we are making progress as a society. And I believe that's what we should focus on. Continual improvement.

I have come to terms that society will never be perfect. You will always have hatred, racism, and just the random rouge person who is hell bent on taking people lives. I don't think there will ever be a law or restriction that will stop people like that. Sad but true.

I see one common enemy. The media.. They are pushing people on the left and right to be more extreme and creating division using propaganda and politics, that both sides. I'm sure our elected and not elected officials are at fault too by creating division. We are stronger together and some don't see that any and all politicians stay in power by people following them blindly, or sticking to exactly what one party says instead of making up their own minds about each individual topic. And many of our leaders are getting rich by selling out on laws that aren't good for us, but will line their own pockets. To me, those people are the real enemies.

I love the fact that we do live in a constitutional republic and not a true democracy. That the God given rights granted to us cannot be taken away by the majority no matter what direction we head in the future. I wish many people would come to terms with that. Seems to be the reason many of us fight and argue.

I have the right to free speech, the right to bare arms, and many other rights. It is not up to any individual to silence, nor try to impede on my rights. If you don't like guns, don't get one. Don't like what I say, ignore me. I believe the same about abortions and many other things. I believe any crime should be judged on the facts brought in a trial. For example, if someone does a mass shooting, that person should be charged, and not the means of them doing it. A bad cop, shouldn't represent the good ones. An irresponsible gun owner shouldn't have anything to do with those that are responsible, or the responsible ones shouldn't face any penalty or scrutiny from anyone by the actions of someone else. Above all, I believe in freedom.

If I was hell bent anti gun, anti gay, anti black or white and it consumed my thoughts on a daily basis, I would find a country that suited my beliefs better instead of trying to change the founding principal of the country I live in, America.

I know I might get bashed for some of my views, or the simple saying that I love America and that doesn't bother me. Its your God given right to disagree. I am just proud of all that we accomplished as a nation. I know there is a lot of work to be done, but together with compromise, compassion, and understanding, I think we are on a path of continuous improvement, and that is a good thing.

I see an extreme-right liar press well-established in this nation.
But on the left side?
Please indicate specific media sources which are driving a left (social democrat) or hard left (socialist) movement of voter opinion.

 

[MAGpie81]

There are types of meth? I never hung with any users.

Ecstacy, Adderall, Crank.
There’s three types of amphetamine that all have the effect of “meth”.
I laugh at people who do “molly” and get on their high-horse about “at least it’s not Meth”;
MDMA= Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

Not saying you are one of those people I just love to point this fact out.

Isn’t this a thread about guns?

 

[CatHedral]

Thanks for the reply but in my opinion, if you think one party is good and the other as bad, I personally think you have the blinders on. I feel both sides are equally terrible and our a common threat to all of us. I do not trust, nor blindly follow either.

No. Only one party is driving insurrection. For you to suggest that they are comparable is your propagating strategic untruth.

 

[mooray]

I agree with food production.

I support gay rights. I have gay friends that are some of the kindest people I know. Just like everything in life, I dislike over the top people. Example, a gay person that all they talk about is gay. Gay this, gay that. I have many friends of different races also. The past summer, I was invited to a buddies 4th of july party. I was one of the only few whites there. I was treated with respect from everyone. My only issues were my friends two sisters. Yes, they were black, and they made sure you knew it. They talked about black business, as a strong black woman, brought up racism several times. I do not want to be around people over the top like that, and from what my friend tells me, that's all the talk about. I was just there to have a good time, this is why i don't care to be around any over the top person. Same with politics. Lean left or right.. But if we are all together for a celebration, stop bringing it up. We get it.

Honestly, I don't have much of an opinion on pollution. I am not versed in the subject. Of course, I would like to stop pollution, but when and where to draw the line, I am not very knowledgeable.

You half-pass, because I don't quite buy the, "oh shucks I just don't know about pollution" part.

 

[CatHedral]

Ecstacy, Adderall, Crank.
There’s three types of amphetamine that all have the effect of “meth”.
I laugh at people who do “molly” and get on their high-horse about “at least it’s not Meth”;
MDMA= Methylenedioxymethamphetamine

Not saying you are one of those people I just love to point this fact out.

Isn’t this a thread about guns?

No. Meth specifically refers to the unsubstituted alpha-methyl-beta-phenethylamine. The domain fail is yours, and I would not say that any more. It’s not correct.

 

[OG-KGP]

the problem is that the gun industry has been pushing lawmakers to allow more and more deadly weapons to be sold to the public, to make more money from an already fucked up situation...
good cops should be calling out bad cops, and stopping them from being "bad"...
and unfortunately, the bad apples still spoil the whole barrel for everyone...if irresponsible assholes can get things like ghost guns, bump stocks, conversion kits, retardedly oversize magazines...then you have to make those things unavailable to anyone...but no one really needs any of those things, anyway...unless you're planning to do something you shouldn't be planning to do.
freedom comes with responsibilities, and no one wants to deal with those responsibilities...until they get dealt with, this debate will never end

I respect your opinion.

the democrats are far from innocent, but they aren't trying to steal the rights of minorities and women, they aren't illegally gerrymandering districts to gain or retain seats they should be losing, they didn't incite an insurrection when their candidate lost a legitimate election, they don't have members that spew hateful bile on right wing media, calling other members of congress terrorists and perverts, and worse...did you see the anime where a democrat was killing the president of the united states with swords? yeah, me neither, because a democrat didn't make a video like that, a republican did....democrats aren't holding up important ambassadorial positions and other key appointments over silly ass pet projects...
so yeah, they're both totally equally bad....

I feel the way I feel. Good day, Sir.

I see an extreme-right liar press well-established in this nation.
But on the left side?
Please indicate specific media sources which are driving a left (social democrat) or hard left (socialist) movement of voter opinion.

I disagree and am not out to change your mind. I will not post any media sources for you, if you didn't read, I am anti media.

No. Only one party is driving insurrection. For you to suggest that they are comparable is your propagating strategic untruth.

I have right to feel how I do. I respect your opinion.

You half-pass, because I don't quite buy the, "oh shucks I just don't know about pollution" part.

Too bad I didnt pass the "mooray" approval. Good day to you.

 

[canndo]

..
no one can do meth and not become a filthy piece of untrustable shit...and they probably don't have a coherent thought in their addled brains.
i've seen people with families and homes, vehicles in the driveway, money in the bank, start fucking with coke, or pills, or meth, and within 6 months they turn to shit, and lose the family, the home, the vehicles...the money in the bank was first to go....

So...I am a "filthy piece of untrustable shit without a coherent thought on my addled brain.

And you are better, more reasonable, more wise because you "only" smoke weed.

Is that about the whole of it?

 

[MAGpie81]

FunFact:

Gun control legislation was originally created by Republican Ronald Reagan when he realized that open-carry laws meant that Black Panthers could scare off racist police officers targeting black communities by showing up in force with their weapons on display. The NRA even backed ol’ Ronny on this.
It wasn’t until Democrat Bill Clinton and co. introduced an assault weapons ban and the Panthers were no longer a threat, that the NRA got back on it’s promotion of all guns (to caucasian-Americans).

Side note on the Black Panthers-
They had started free-meal programs for low income folks (not just black folks) that were extremely popular. Soon after, likely because of the optics of the government not being the one to provide for its citizens, free/reduced-fee school lunch programs and food banks were established (which undermined the power-through-popularity of the Black Panther Party).

 

[CatHedral]

FunFact:

Gun control legislation was originally created by Republican Ronald Reagan when he realized that open-carry laws meant that Black Panthers could scare off racist police officers targeting black communities by showing up in force with their weapons on display. The NRA even backed ol’ Ronny on this.
It wasn’t until Democrat Bill Clinton and co. introduced an assault weapons ban and the Panthers were no longer a threat, that the NRA got back on it’s promotion of all guns (to caucasian-Americans).

Side note on the Black Panthers-
They had started free-meal programs for low income folks (not just black folks) that were extremely popular. Soon after, likely because of the optics of the government not being the one to provide for its citizens, free/reduced-fee school lunch programs and food banks were established (which undermined the power-through-popularity of the Black Panther Party).

It’s not a fact without a link to source.

 

[MAGpie81]

No. Meth specifically refers to the unsubstituted alpha-methyl-beta-phenethylamine. The domain fail is yours, and I would not say that any more. It’s not correct.

What?? Sounds like you’re gas-lighting me into thinking that the chemical name Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
doesn’t literally contain the word “Meth”, twice.

 

[MAGpie81]

It’s not a fact without a link to source.

You’re correct on this.

Here is a timeline of gun control.

See a Timeline of Gun Control in the U.S. from 1791 to the Present

Learn about federal and state gun control laws in the United States. Here's a timeline from 1791 to the present.

www.thoughtco.com

I believe there is correlation between the Black Panthers openly displaying their weapons and passage of laws against open-carry and against felons owning weapons (just as laws that deigned certain things a felony that were disproportionately used on African-heritage Americans).

 

[CatHedral]

I am anti media.

Where then do you go to become (mis)informed? Your attempt to equate the two sides of our cold civil war is not only incorrect, it is aiding and abetting foreign attack on our society. Please look into this, avoiding social media sites for the propaganda breeding grounds they are.

 

[CatHedral]

What?? Sounds like you’re gas-lighting me into thinking that the chemical name Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
doesn’t literally contain the word “Meth”, twice.

Ok this is officially flat-earth level of wrong. I pointed out the domain fail. You plainly never took chemistry or read a Merck Index.

 

[HGCC]

Well folks, when I referenced three kinds of meth, that was meant as a joke. Just pointing out it was wide open and you can buy your metheroin pills or whatever with the greatest of ease.

 

[CatHedral]

You’re correct on this.

I’m correct on the other thing too. Show me a counterexample from the literature. I dare you.

 

[oldsilvertip55]

I made some snide remarks about gun culture in other threads and I know at least several here proudly own firearms.

I was a journeyman gun Smith long long ago under the instruction of my grandfather.

I have nothing against guns, nothing against one's constitutionally specified right to keep and bear.

I do not believe in background checks or any system of connecting any firearm to any individual.

What I dislike is American gun culture. The typical American gun creature. This person has an affliction that taints his "cause" (there should be no such "cause".

This affliction is the notion of "gun as talisman".

They actually believe that mere possession of a firearm wards off all evil. They are certain that brandishing their arm will in itself keep them from succumbing to political disruption, that it will automatically safeguard the owner's rights. It will magically put food on his table, keep his daughter from being raped, make him equal in all respects.

It will right all wrongs and indemnify him from all misfortune.


These owners are impervious to facts and statistics and driven by a uniquely American fear of...crime mostly from those of black persuasion but still. They actually believe that they are protecting their family and home with these weapons.

Gun as talisman.

out where i live you best be armed with a weapon or things could get bad in a hurry, even my walking stick has an arrow head in it when you pull first section off!

 

[mooray]

I’m correct on the other thing too. Show me a counterexample from the literature. I dare you.

Read the replies in post #389, it's just "lalalalalala I can't heeeeaaaar youuuuu!". He's not open to discussing any of it. Sounds more republican than conservative.