Another gun thread

[MAGpie81]

Ok.

I'll tell you, they are nothing like each other in effect.

Mdma is not as long lasting, it is far less potent with dosages in the many tens of milligrams where methamphetamine is dosed in 5 to 15 mg (these are pill dosages).

There is more euphoria in the mdma, more emotional content and empathy. Meth has very little of that.

There is virtually no similarity between the two.

I have tried both and honestly pure crystal methamphetamines gave me a more euphoric feeling of well-being and empathy than the mdma did, but maybe that’s just due to potency.

For the record I don’t touch either anymore and only briefly dabbled when it was easily available.

Look here- I learned something new!
This should satisfy both you and @CatHedral

>Methamphetamine versus MDMA / Ecstasy : comparative toxicity

by Armstrong BD, Noguchi KK. Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Science, University of California at Los Angeles, NPI 760 Westwood Plaza Room 67-373, Los Angeles, CA 90024, USA. Neurotoxicology. 2004 Dec;25(6):905-14 ABSTRACT Damage to serotonin (5-HT) terminals following doses of...

amphetamines.com

I still stand by the opinion that the effects of both are similar (though street-speed is far stronger) and people who regularly do mdma yet demonize “meth” users are hypocritical and their stance laughable.

I also believe such virtue-differentation is what leads to biased legislation like in the case of cocaine-user vs. crack-cocaine-user sentencing.

That said I appreciate the mostly good-natured debates I find myself in on this forum.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So...I am a "filthy piece of untrustable shit without a coherent thought on my addled brain.

And you are better, more reasonable, more wise because you "only" smoke weed.

Is that about the whole of it?

yes, if you wanna bring it down to that...i've known too many meth addicts to trust one with anything of value for one flat second...people that were good people before they became meth addicts...so YES, if you use meth, i wouldn't invite you into my life in any way...as a matter of fact, i'd be openly hostile to you, to give you the idea you weren't welcome in my life...if you feels that makes me a hypocrite, then i'm fine with that, the opinion of a meth addict is suspect at best

 

[CatHedral]

I have tried both and honestly pure crystal methamphetamines gave me a more euphoric feeling of well-being and empathy than the mdma did, but maybe that’s just due to potency.
For the record I don’t touch either anymore and only briefly dabbled when it was easily available.

Look here- I learned something new!
This should satisfy both you and @CatHedral

>Methamphetamine versus MDMA / Ecstasy : comparative toxicity

by Armstrong BD, Noguchi KK. Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Science, University of California at Los Angeles, NPI 760 Westwood Plaza Room 67-373, Los Angeles, CA 90024, USA. Neurotoxicology. 2004 Dec;25(6):905-14 ABSTRACT Damage to serotonin (5-HT) terminals following doses of...

amphetamines.com

I still stand by the opinion that the effects of both are similar (though street-speed is far stronger) and people who regularly do mdma yet demonize “meth” users are hypocritical and their stance laughable.

I also believe such virtue-differentation is what leads to biased legislation like in the case of cocaine-user vs. crack-cocaine-user sentencing.

That said I appreciate the mostly good-natured debates I find myself in on this forum.

The difference, as Canndo has explained, is that one is a pure sympathomimetic stimulant (noradrenaline receptors) and the other has serotonin-agonist activity which gives it a somewhat psychedelic effect.

This psychedelic effect has a consequence of not slamming the limbic reward circuitry nearly as hard as methamphetamine. Much less addiction potential.

 

[Fogdog]

There is virtually no similarity between the two.

He's saying methamphetamine, meth for short, is same as MDMA. Then gets angry when corrected. Sneers at the idea of

My point is that “methamphetamines”, which I think we can agree is what people mean when they say “meth”, is literally abbreviated in the term “MDMA”.

You also never addressed my question on whether the effects of street meth are similar/near-identical to those of mdma.

In all seriousness I think that the attitude of one being more socially acceptable than the other is what leads to the type of legislation that gives a slap-on-the-wrist to “white-collar” cocaine users while sending crack-cocaine users to prison for 20+ years.

I struck out the part where you were just babbling so that I could address a valid point in your post.

You are correct about there once was a law that differentiated between crack and powder cocaine. It was repealed eleven years ago because it was a stupid law. What was the point you were trying to make?

 

[MAGpie81]

Dude,

You made a mistake and somebody corrected it.

This is absolutely false: "My point is that “methamphetamines”, which I think we can agree is what people mean when they say “meth”, is literally abbreviated in the term “MDMA”. " There is no way to spin it that makes it true. Yet you got angry when you were corrected.

You sound like one of Trump' aides

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It is hard to portray emotion through text so I can only assure you I never got angry.
My last post is a link demonstrating the difference in effect of methamphetamines vs. mdma. I am okay with being wrong that the “MA” in MDMA equates to an identical effect as “meth/street-speed”, but I am right in pointing out that the “MA” literally stands for “meth amphetamines”.
Your comparison of me to a Trump supporter is far from my truth.
I’m against demonization of drug users by other drug users, so when an mdma user slanders a methamphetamine user I like to point out what the “MA” stands for.
Now that I’ve discovered a study on the effects of each, I can add that as a “BUT…” when speaking of it, and perhaps have a civil conversation that doesn’t rely on assumptions and name-calling (which I myself have been guilty of).

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Agree that one should not get their news from Fox, Newsmax, OAN or any of the many right wing radio stations pumping out garbage propaganda 7/24.

neither should they be solely informed by tyt, rachel maddow, the grey zone, pod save america, or the root...it's ok to listen to news from either end of the spectrum, as long as you're aware its from the end of the spectrum and not even close to the middle...

 

[MAGpie81]

The difference, as Canndo has explained, is that one is a pure sympathomimetic stimulant (noradrenaline receptors) and the other has serotonin-agonist activity which gives it a somewhat psychedelic effect.

This psychedelic effect has a consequence of not slamming the limbic reward circuitry nearly as hard as methamphetamine. Much less addiction potential.

I can relate to that. MDMA could be therapeutic. The effect that meth had on me, at first try and onset, was therapeutic in that it dissolved my anxiety and allowed me to focus. Kind-of like how, I think, Ritalin is “calming” for kids with adhd, but acts like cocaine on average adults.
Thanks for the discourse- I DO understand and appreciate what you are saying.

 

[CatHedral]

It is hard to portray emotion through text so I can only assure you I never got angry.
My last post is a link demonstrating the difference in effect of methamphetamines vs. mdma. I am okay with being wrong that the “MA” in MDMA equates to an identical effect as “meth/street-speed”, but I am right in pointing out that the “MA” literally stands for “meth amphetamines”.
Your comparison of me to a Trump supporter is far from my truth.
I’m against demonization of drug users by other drug users, so when an mdma user slanders a methamphetamine user I like to point out what the “MA” stands for.
Now that I’ve discovered a study on the effects of each, I can add that as a “BUT…” when speaking of it, and perhaps have a civil conversation that doesn’t rely on assumptions and name-calling (which I myself have been guilty of).

I guess what I am trying to convey is that “meth” is a single, defined chemical entity.

While it is correct that MDMA, DOM and certain other psychedelic entities are functionalized (other stuff on the backbone) amphetamines, they are never described by the pros as “meth”.

 

[MAGpie81]

He's saying methamphetamine, meth for short, is same as MDMA. Then gets angry when corrected. Sneers at the idea of

I struck out the part where you were just babbling so that I could address a valid point in your post.

You are correct about there once was a law that differentiated between crack and powder cocaine. It was repealed eleven years ago because it was a stupid law. What was the point you were trying to make?

The “MA” in “MDMA” literally stands for “meth amphetamine”.
Thanks for the update on cocaine laws.

 

[CatHedral]

I can relate to that. MDMA could be therapeutic. The effect that meth had on me, at first try and onset, was therapeutic in that it dissolved my anxiety and allowed me to focus. Kind-of like how, I think, Ritalin is “calming” for kids with adhd, but acts like cocaine on average adults.
Thanks for the discourse- I DO understand and appreciate what you are saying.

I have tried meth (from a reagent bottle labeled S-(+)-desoxyephedrine (a synonym for meth). No euphoria, just sleepless anxiety. Dose range 15 to 60 milligrams. I had a balance that was good to ten micrograms.

I never did try mdma. I had nine grams of it at 99+ purity. I pitched it.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I don't search for information online, I've been saying that the whole time.

I don't see kkk burning crosses in my neighborhood. I don't see blank panthers calling for the death of whites in my neighborhood.

I'm sure I could find it on the media or news.

I see people getting along here. We all shop, live, and get along here together.

you don't watch the news, rely on what you see in your neighborhood, and assume you could find corroboration in the news you don't watch.... ?¿?¿?

 

[canndo]

I knew this guy. He got into meth big-time. He spoke of ingesting one-gram doses at a sitting. (He made his own under conditions that would draw the envy of Walter White. Identity, purity and quantity were assured.) I’m not sure you can do that with molly.

One can, the precursors can still be had save the safrole, (Been a while, I believe it is safrol).

 

[CatHedral]

One can, the precursors can still be had save the safrole, (Been a while, I believe it is safrol).

I started from piperonal. Racemic end product.

 

[Fogdog]

The “MA” in “MDMA” literally stands for “meth amphetamine”.
Thanks for the update on cocaine laws.

You are literally stupid.

 

[xtsho]

I have tried meth (from a reagent bottle labeled S-(+)-desoxyephedrine (a synonym for meth). No euphoria, just sleepless anxiety. Dose range 15 to 60 milligrams. I had a balance that was good to ten micrograms.

I never did try mdma. I had nine grams of it at 99+ purity. I pitched it.

I did that stuff a total of maybe 4 times. The first couple times was back in the early 80's when it was not the junk made in 50 gallon drums in Mexico and then a couple times in the late 80's when it was nasty garbage. I regretted each use after I used it. I don't understand why anyone would want to take that crap. The high totally sucks. There is nothing to like about it. And I just snorted it. I can't imagine smoking that crap like most are doing today.

 

[MAGpie81]

I have tried meth (from a reagent bottle labeled S-(+)-desoxyephedrine (a synonym for meth). No euphoria, just sleepless anxiety. Dose range 15 to 60 milligrams. I had a balance that was good to ten micrograms.

I never did try mdma. I had nine grams of it at 99+ purity. I pitched it.

Yeah, the long-lasting effect, and terrible comedown was not a fun thing about meth.
I have no honest idea of the purity of “mdma” I’ve tried other than trusting the person I got it from and them telling me they ordered it from a lab, but it wasn’t as uplifting and did still keep me awake against my will.
I just stick with cannabis and occasional alcohol now. No regrets, my bad choices remind me to try to stay humble, and don’t judge others too harshly when it comes to their pick of poison

 

[canndo]

I have tried meth (from a reagent bottle labeled S-(+)-desoxyephedrine (a synonym for meth). No euphoria, just sleepless anxiety. Dose range 15 to 60 milligrams. I had a balance that was good to ten micrograms.

I never did try mdma. I had nine grams of it at 99+ purity. I pitched it.

If it is pure, it is delightful, good dose is 80 to 100 mg. The real trick is not to redose. And as far as I know, storing it in the freezer in the dark works for decades. I'll let you know after new years.

 

[CatHedral]

I did that stuff a total of maybe 4 times. The first couple times was back in the early 80's when it was not the junk made in 50 gallon drums in mexico and then a couple times in the late 80's when it was nasty garbage. I regretted each use after I used it. I don't understand why anyone would want to take that crap. The high totally sucks. There is nothing to like about it. And I just snorted it. I can't imagine smoking that crap like most are doing today.

I wussed out. I never took any of those magnificent half-inch crystals. They were just oh.

 

[HGCC]

Anyone know more about modafinil? It's pretty great for working, pretty rad for not feeling any sort of pull to take more/abuse.

I dont trust psychonaut wiki for info.

 

[Fogdog]

krokodil is meth, just ask our village idiot.