Another gun thread

[xtsho]

"I'm going to be the victor..."


Gun as talisman.

That's my plan.

 

[CatHedral]

I've also never had the displeasure of having to use a firearm against somebody and hope I never will.

Yes. (fify)

 

[CatHedral]

...seriously...thats so wide open I can't even bring myself to make the joke.

“strokes his barrel”

 

[canndo]

The lady is going to get her CCP. I've been pushing her to do it for awhile. This time of year it's dark when she gets to and leaves work. Some lady got her purse snatched in the same parking lot a couple weeks ago.

Something like this should make a belated christmas present. I'll feel better knowing she's got the protection she might need. Sending her to a shooting range as well so she can learn from someone other than myself. I think that's best as I'm not a professional.

My wife and her first husband owned a 711 in chicago...the bad part. After they were robbed the police told them that they were likely never going to manage to protect them. Get some hand guns and learn to use them they said.

My wife became a sort of Annie Oakley.

But after a time she asked those police where would be the best place to shoot the thugs so she would stop them but not kill them.

"You mean I have to kill them? Not shoot at a leg or something?"

"Yep, don't pull it unless you intend to aim, aim unless you intend to shoot and shoot unless you intend to kill"

"I'm not going to kill anyone over a couple bottles of boons farm and a carton of cigarettes" she said and left all her weapons at home until she had kids and had to take care of them in the store.


I know that women are as apt to get shot with their own weapon as save themselves. Just like when they get raped, they get shot by people they know. Lots of folks think they can take a life but they hesitate. If they manage to kill someone they may well suffer over it and they may also suffer legal consequences.

Of course, do as you must but I would never give a gift of a firearm or a puppy to a woman who wants to protect herself.

Gun as talisman dude.

 

[Herb & Suds]

I have the three-incher.
My compromise between concealability and velocity.

I get it
my hand cannon leaves my ears ringing for days when I discharge it indoors

 

[HGCC]

I get it
my hand cannon leaves my ears ringing for days when I discharge it indoors

Oh jeeze.

An exhibitionist outdoorsman, I take it.

 

[canndo]

My read on nootropics has been more sales than science.

I got a whole cabinet full of nootropics and supplements. See, when I was young they told me that marijuana was a gateway drug and I took it to heart, when I ran out of the old standby illegals I tried chloroform and ether, then the occasional things that slipped by the Dea, the smart drugs seemed interesting, so far...they aren't. And now I figure I'm too old for the deluge of new substances and analogs and designer chemicals.

I did get one Russian original, forgot the name, it smells like styrene and maybe has a cognitive enhancement. I'll go look for the name if you are at all interested.

 

[Herb & Suds]

Oh jeeze.

An exhibitionist outdoorsman, I take it.

44 rem mag red hawk but I just looked it up that thing has doubled in price from when I bought it
I killed a couple does with it but just got because I was watching too much

Fear Thy Neighbor
I hope

 

[xtsho]

My wife and her first husband owned a 711 in chicago...the bad part. After they were robbed the police told them that they were likely never going to manage to protect them. Get some hand guns and learn to use them they said.

My wife became a sort of Annie Oakley.

But after a time she asked those police where would be the best place to shoot the thugs so she would stop them but not kill them.

"You mean I have to kill them? Not shoot at a leg or something?"

"Yep, don't pull it unless you intend to aim, aim unless you intend to shoot and shoot unless you intend to kill"

"I'm not going to kill anyone over a couple bottles of boons farm and a carton of cigarettes" she said and left all her weapons at home until she had kids and had to take care of them in the store.


I know that women are as apt to get shot with their own weapon as save themselves. Just like when they get raped, they get shot by people they know. Lots of folks think they can take a life but they hesitate. If they manage to kill someone they may well suffer over it and they may also suffer legal consequences.

Of course, do as you must but I would never give a gift of a firearm or a puppy to a woman who wants to protect herself.

Gun as talisman dude.

What?

I'm not talking annie oakley. I'm talking my lady firing a warning shot in the air and if that doesn't end it then the next goes right between the eyes.


Real life. Yours to keep or lose. Where I live if someone is inside your castle you can use deadly force and I will. I'm not looking for trouble but if some punk thinks they're coming into my domain uninvited they're wrong.

 

[CatHedral]

I got a whole cabinet full of nootropics and supplements. See, when I was young they told me that marijuana was a gateway drug and I took it to heart, when I ran out of the old standby illegals I tried chloroform and ether, then the occasional things that slipped by the Dea, the smart drugs seemed interesting, so far...they aren't. And now I figure I'm too old for the deluge of new substances and analogs and designer chemicals.

I did get one Russian original, forgot the name, it smells like styrene and maybe has a cognitive enhancement. I'll go look for the name if you are at all interested.

Blast from the past! I mail-ordered chloroform and distilled ether from engine starter before reformulation. I learned how to convert ammonium nitrate into nitrous. It’s very hard on the glassware.

 

[canndo]

To a large extent I agree. In fact I have noticed in myself such an impulse.
But this does not invalidate the handgun as a defense.

I’m simply grateful I have never had occasion to draw a gun in anger, and I hope I never will.

Again, of course a good firearm in the hands of a person with a steady eye and aim is, well...a...tool. it may offer that needed advantage. But on the balance it is more of a hazard for the average person (as we know from statistics) than it is a boon. And, as I have been saying, pretending that a gun "settles all arguments" or that it is going to confer upon its wielder the mystical power of instant domination which far outweighs any other consideration as to make that owner a "victor: is gun as talisman thinking at its finest.


I doubt, however, that the author of that statement posted it in earnest.

 

[CatHedral]

My wife and her first husband owned a 711 in chicago...the bad part. After they were robbed the police told them that they were likely never going to manage to protect them. Get some hand guns and learn to use them they said.

My wife became a sort of Annie Oakley.

But after a time she asked those police where would be the best place to shoot the thugs so she would stop them but not kill them.

"You mean I have to kill them? Not shoot at a leg or something?"

"Yep, don't pull it unless you intend to aim, aim unless you intend to shoot and shoot unless you intend to kill"

"I'm not going to kill anyone over a couple bottles of boons farm and a carton of cigarettes" she said and left all her weapons at home until she had kids and had to take care of them in the store.


I know that women are as apt to get shot with their own weapon as save themselves. Just like when they get raped, they get shot by people they know. Lots of folks think they can take a life but they hesitate. If they manage to kill someone they may well suffer over it and they may also suffer legal consequences.

Of course, do as you must but I would never give a gift of a firearm or a puppy to a woman who wants to protect herself.

Gun as talisman dude.

I seriously look forward to the day we have nonlethal stun guns that do not reply on shocking the system into agonized overload.

 

[canndo]

What?

I'm not talking annie oakley. I'm talking my lady firing a warning shot in the air and if that doesn't end it then the next goes right between the eyes.


Real life. Yours to keep or lose. Where I live if someone is inside your castle you can use deadly force and I will. I'm not looking for trouble but if some punk thinks they're coming into my domain uninvited they're wrong.

My intent was to bring up the issue of taking a life over a purse. One that might well contain the very fire arm the woman owns.

I understand your sentiment. But I started this thread in order to float the idea of gun as talisman and the notion that we all believe we are outside the science of statistics.

 

[CatHedral]

Again, of course a good firearm in the hands of a person with a steady eye and aim is, well...a...tool. it may offer that needed advantage. But on the balance it is more of a hazard for the average person (as we know from statistics) than it is a boon. And, as I have been saying, pretending that a gun "settles all arguments" or that it is going to confer upon its wielder the mystical power of instant domination which far outweighs any other consideration as to make that owner a "victor: is gun as talisman thinking at its finest.


I doubt, however, that the author of that statement posted it in earnest.

I am very sensitive to your argument of probabilities. It informs my action. I do not carry a firearm, even though I keep one close at home.

I recognize that my gun could be taken from me by someone of moderate skill. I have never quite fallen for the talisman/magical warding quality that does seem to correlate. Rittenhauser is perhaps the most blatant recent instance of gun as talisman, with awful consequences.

 

[canndo]

I seriously look forward to the day we have nonlethal stun guns that do not reply on shocking the system into agonized overload.

I'm sorry, I must seem like a contrarian for its own sake (or is that the definition of contrarian anyway?)

Non lethal weapons might truly be a bonus to individuals but didn't you say that you seek equity between the armaments of the state and those of its citizens? I hold that non lethal technology in the hands of the state are far more dangerous in an otherwise open society than the blowing up, penetrating, blood causing weapons.

Far far more insidious.

 

[CatHedral]

I'm sorry, I must seem like a contrarian for its own sake (or is that the definition of contraband anyway?)

Non lethal weapons might truly be a bonus to individuals but didn't you say that you seek equity between the armaments of the state and those of its citizens? I hold that non lethal technology in the hands of the state are far more dangerous in an otherwise open society than the blowing up, penetrating, blood causing weapons.

Far far more insidious.

I would ideally like such equity. But technology is such that I abandon that ideal as untenable. Keeping and bearing arms in the days of ships with crews of six thousand and 70-plane air arms and hypersonix and (very bad word) nukes

simply does not obtain.

Otherwise, if a Trek-style stunner became available, I do not get it. What liability do you see that I do not?

 

[canndo]

I am very sensitive to your argument of probabilities. It informs my action. I do not carry a firearm, even though I keep one close at home.

I recognize that my gun could be taken from me by someone of moderate skill. I have never quite fallen for the talisman/magical warding quality that does seem to correlate. Rittenhauser is perhaps the most blatant recent instance of gun as talisman, with awful consequences.

Hadn't thought of him in relation to this...."theory" of mine. But indeed, he is a classic example.

I don't hold that all gun owners are swayed by their posession. But I have a story. In the days just before the cartels gained control over most of the cocain in the Americas I started seeing more guns at exchanges. Mostly cheap things at first and of course "mine is better, see?"

But one day a fellow dealer brought along his fully functioning uzi. I remember picking it up, I remember it being far heavier than I expected, I remember asking him how to operate the thing, it seemed so foreign. But what I remember most was the feeling of incredible power, of invincibility that I felt. It frightened me. That feeling was intoxicating and dangerous to me and everyone I was near. I never felt that way before, even operating the replica gatling gun my grandfather and I built.

Long afterward I read a study of testosterone levels increased by the mere handling of a firearm.

Gun as talisman. You and our friends posting here are likely adapted to some of that attraction. Rittenhouse? Maybe not.

 

[CatHedral]

Hadn't thought of him in relation to this...."theory" of mine. But indeed, he is a classic example.

I don't hold that all gun owners are swayed by their posession. But I have a story. In the days just before the cartels gained control over most of the cocain in the Americas I started seeing more guns at exchanges. Mostly cheap things at first and of course "mine is better, see?"

But one day a fellow dealer brought along his fully functioning uzi. I remember picking it up, I remember it being far heavier than I expected, I remember asking him how to operate the thing, it seemed so foreign. But what I remember most was the feeling of incredible power, of invincibility that I felt. It frightened me. That feeling was intoxicating and dangerous to me and everyone I was near. I never felt that way even operating the replica gatling gun my grandfather and I built.

Long afterward I read a study of testosterone levels increased by the mere handling of a firearm.

Gun as talisman. You and our friends posting here are likely adapted to some of that attraction. Rittenhouse? Maybe not.

I have never had such intense responses. For me, neither a wondergun nor a Lambo ever touched my erotic circuitry. So I am perhaps a bit hindered here.
Example: I delight in upscale stargazing optics. They are beautiful as a choral piece from Ravel is. But while sublime, these things never recruited my endocrine. Not sexy.

 

[canndo]

I would ideally like such equity. But technology is such that I abandon that ideal as untenable. Keeping and bearing arms in the days of ships with crews of six thousand and 70-plane air arms and hypersonix and (very bad word) nukes

simply does not obtain.

Otherwise, if a Trek-style stunner became available, I do not get it. What liability do you see that I do not?

In an open society, government relies upon apparent interest in public safety. It also must never appear too arbitrary or cruel. In the u.s. every incident that results in death is a big deal. Kill students in a college, things change. Burn children alive in Waco, things change regardless of the actual threat to that government and her people.

But offer a way for government to manipulate her citizens without the death and blood part and most onlookers will just accept the action as necessary and "humane". Now a government that can disburse a crowd, peaceful demonstrators or not and we tacitly support a more and more totalitarian government because they haven't really harmed anyone.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Gun threads are like guns. You can’t have too many, apparently.