Another gun thread

injinji

injinji

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canndo said:
People aren't examining this "opioid" epidemic very clearly.

Those who take pills for what ever reason rarely accidentally od on them. It's too granular a practice and the opiate experienced is unlikely to stop breathing on even double or triple his dose.

No, it goes like this. Suddenly make the most used and popular opiate, hydrocodone and change its schedule.

Claim its in order to save the folks from the evil of addiction.

When doctors are good and fearful of prescribing them, send the poor, functionally addicted and likely pain ridden patients into the streets.

Now seriously deplete heroin supplies across the nation and add in cheap fentanyl shipped from China, $2000 an ounce, Alibaba.
And just to satisfy those who would rather have pills, counterfeit all of them using fentanyl, poorly.

And there is your pandemic of opiates.

Perdue and the pill mills were never the cause of massive overdose.
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Most OD deaths happen after someone gets out of jail and use the same amount they did before going in.

Perdue products are not what most die from. But it's their products folks got addicted to.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Sir Napsalot said:
I have a couple of guns from 2 grandfathers- an Austrian drilling and an Winchester Mdl 12 from the early '60s

It would pain me to sell those, but at some point I will probably sell most of my guns
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I have a mod 12 3” mag and a model 11 (needs fore stock lol) and 3 auto 5’s (Belgium), Winchester 1894 25-20 with one box of cartridges. That were all handed down. Plus a few more 22’s. I will not sell them and hopefully they won’t be, but only one daughter actually is licensed and hunts once every 4-5 years, the other lives out of country and will never return to live here. no guns allowed where she is (Bermuda).
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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injinji said:
Most OD deaths happen after someone gets out of jail and use the same amount they did before going in.

Perdue products are not what most die from. But it's their products folks got addicted to.
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I was at the front line of that debacle re oxy. I had fallen off of a 25’ ladder due to the actions of the company owner at the time and hurt my back (long term disability 2 years) and was at the doctors just as a the drug rep was there (very hot blonde), both her and my doctor, when I asked about the addictive issues, stated that there is a very low or non-existent dependence issue. Well ok then sure :(. Lucky for me I did not like the effects so never abused them unlike many I know.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Frank Nitty said:
In Ohio now ANYBODY CAN GET A GUN!!! I'm not sure if I want to go out of the house now, but I'm thinking that I need one myself, maybe three... But really, why would they approve something like this???
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anyone can get a gun any time they want one, all it takes is a ride to a gunshow in a state that has person to person sales...they give a fuck where you live or what the laws are there
 
canndo

canndo

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CatHedral said:
sprain?
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Figure there are far more od fatalities than folks who have been jailed or imprisoned for long enough to have significantly reduced their tolerance.

And the idea that "most" od resulting in death are among "criminals" is a little bit naive.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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canndo said:
Figure there are far more od fatalities than folks who have been jailed or imprisoned for long enough to have significantly reduced their tolerance.

And the idea that "most" od resulting in death are among "criminals" is a little bit naive.
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i never actually assumed that...i've always assumed that most were among low income people with a lot of social issues, people who were abused somehow, and never got over it, people with mental illness who never receive help, and some who never seek help...while a lot of those people have probably done at least some jail time, i kind of look at that as another result, and not a cause
but i bet it does occurs among a lot of people getting out of institutions where they had no choice but to abstain long enough to lower their tolerance drastically.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Sir Napsalot said:
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As much as they are beautiful pieces, I am glad handguns are highly restricted here. Unfortunately us being us, I just don’t think it’s worth the consequences of having easy access, like south of the border. I sure wouldn’t want to give them up if I had them though lol. People say I hope I never need to use one, carrying one immediately raises those odds from zero.
 
canndo

canndo

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i never actually assumed that...i've always assumed that most were among low income people with a lot of social issues, people who were abused somehow, and never got over it, people with mental illness who never receive help, and some who never seek help...while a lot of those people have probably done at least some jail time, i kind of look at that as another result, and not a cause
but i bet it does occurs among a lot of people getting out of institutions where they had no choice but to abstain long enough to lower their tolerance drastically.
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Why? Why must opiate addicted folk be low on the socioeconomic scale? Why must they have deep emotional or family problems?

Aren't the rich, like,rush Limbaugh, liable to become addicted? The more well to do have the same motivations but are less likely to land in legal trouble..

It concerns me that years ago, heroin addicts must have all been black. Now they must be law breakers? They all are petty thieves? Those of low moral character?

I've pointed this out before, drug users seem to cast their own drug proclivities as reasonable and acceptable but others habits are somehow sleazy or signs of bad character.


Recall that this is a pot forum. Many people take this substance for any number of maladies, no different than people may take opiates for intractable pain, regardless of their income and behavior.

I could as easily portray a "pot head" as shiftess, living in their mothers basement, unable to work anywhere but at the local burger joint and having a bleak future.

And yes, the addicted often miscalculate doses upon losing their tolerance but not often with legitimate pills.

It is mostly because of unknown doses and products with unknown ingredients.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Firs
canndo said:
Why? Why must opiate addicted folk be low on the socioeconomic scale? Why must they have deep emotional or family problems?

Aren't the rich, like,rush Limbaugh, liable to become addicted? The more well to do have the same motivations but are less likely to land in legal trouble..

It concerns me that years ago, heroin addicts must have all been black. Now they must be law breakers? They all are petty thieves? Those of low moral character?

I've pointed this out before, drug users seem to cast their own drug proclivities as reasonable and acceptable but others habits are somehow sleazy or signs of bad character.


Recall that this is a pot forum. Many people take this substance for any number of maladies, no different than people may take opiates for intractable pain, regardless of their income and behavior.

I could as easily portray a "pot head" as shiftess, living in their mothers basement, unable to work anywhere but at the local burger joint and having a bleak future.

And yes, the addicted often miscalculate doses upon losing their tolerance but not often with legitimate pills.

It is mostly because of unknown doses and products with unknown ingredients.
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First link that popped up

Addiction And Low-Income Americans

Drug and alcohol abuse is dangerous and affects millions of lives each year. Unfortunately, low-income Americans are at a higher risk of addiction.
www.addictioncenter.com www.addictioncenter.com
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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“I could as easily portray a "pot head" as shiftess, living in their mothers basement, unable to work anywhere but at the local burger joint and having a bleak future.”
You could, but you would be only “somewhat”, right not “mostly” lol. Now if we talked about a meth head, you would be mostly wrong due to mom kicked them out long ago. Look, yes you are right that people are stereotyped and those stereotypes are, a lot of times wrong, but sometimes not. Is it the meth heads fault? I don’t think so, mostly I think it’s the powerful draw the drugs have on some people and beyond their control to not let it get out of hand. Same as I would tell my kid I’m ok with a bit of pot, wait as long as you can lol, but meth, probably not a great ideal. So again I blame the drug. Just as I blame the gun, and the ease of access/lack of training, that is allowed when procuring one.
 
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