Plant droopy and no longer praising after feed

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Jakehasaflac

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I am using FFOF soil and nutes...

I just fed about 3 hours ago and I took this picture yesterday for reference of what it normally looks like (grow1.jpg)


It's currently on day 15 of flowering... I gave it 1 gallon of water w/ 6ml Calmag, 8ml Bud Candy, 40ml Big Bloom @ 6.5 PH (grow2.jpg)

two feeds ago or 6 days ago (I feed every 3 days), I gave was feeding it 1 gal w/ 5ml Calmag 6ml Bud Candy, and 20ml Big Bloom @ 6.5 PH

I jumped from 20ml to 40ml of Big Bloom because there normal feeding amount is 60ml per gal

I think that's the reason...too much feed? Should I flush her or will she be fine?


EDIT: 2nd plant next to it is the same age and was fed the same way, and she doesn't have any issue and shares a parent but is a different strain
 

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Rurumo

Rurumo

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Do you have an EC meter to check the nutrient concentration? They really help dial in your feed. Often, companies will recommend a far higher dose of nutrients than needed in order to sell more product, so it's up to us to figure out the correct amount. It's possible the drooping is tied to the increase in feed. Keep an eye on the leaf tips for nutrient burn or leaf curl and I'd dial back the nutrients to what they were to see if that helps. Good luck!
 
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Jakehasaflac

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Rurumo said:
Do you have an EC meter to check the nutrient concentration? They really help dial in your feed. Often, companies will recommend a far higher dose of nutrients than needed in order to sell more product, so it's up to us to figure out the correct amount. It's possible the drooping is tied to the increase in feed. Keep an eye on the leaf tips for nutrient burn or leaf curl and I'd dial back the nutrients to what they were to see if that helps. Good luck!
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I don't but I shall buy one now lol, but uh the main question I have now is should I flush or not worry about it? It's not like a crazy amount of feed I gave it
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Looks like possible PH issues, Over Watering and Nitrogen Toxicity (Dark green downward clawing leaves)

Slight drooping directly after feeding can happen with some genetics..

What are your temperatures & humidity in the room and when are you watering and how often? What size pots?

I personally steer clear of Fox Farms, if you plan to add your own fertilizers like you are then why not just run some coco? It's cleaner and way less finicky.
 
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inth3shadowz

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Jakehasaflac said:
I don't but I shall buy one now lol, but uh the main question I have now is should I flush or not worry about it? It's not like a crazy amount of feed I gave it
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How long ago did you transplant into their current pots? This is why after multiple experiments with synthetic nutes and FF soil, I honestly prefer a simple top dress organic feeding. It's a much slower release and you won't come in the next day saying wtf just happened. Nothing wrong with soil and synthetic nutes at all, and obviously many have great success with it, it's just a bit tricky for people who can't read a plants health.

Good luck!
 
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calvin.m16

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inth3shadowz said:
How long ago did you transplant into their current pots? This is why after multiple experiments with synthetic nutes and FF soil, I honestly prefer a simple top dress organic feeding. It's a much slower release and you won't come in the next day saying wtf just happened. Nothing wrong with soil and synthetic nutes at all, and obviously many have great success with it, it's just a bit tricky for people who can't read a plants health.

Good luck!
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I just feel like liquid fertilizers shouldn't be used if you're going the soil route. Maybe some calmag if you're using RO filtered water but other than that you might as well grow in Coco. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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inth3shadowz

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calvin.m16 said:
I just feel like liquid fertilizers shouldn't be used if you're going the soil route. Maybe some calmag if you're using RO filtered water but other than that you might as well grow in Coco. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I'm going to do a journal with a synthetic vs organic soon using FF OF til flower. I've gotten some big colas with both, but just for fun lol.
 
myke

myke

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What people dont understand is when feeding with salts you need to get some runoff.So your flushing out the old and replace with new.
So every time you feed get 20% runoff,dont let it get to dry and dont let the plant suck up the runoff.Water between feeds doesn't need runoff.
Use your EC meter to check runoff,Ill bet its 4x what your pouring in.
 
visajoe1

visajoe1

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Good news is no issues at the moment, and we can keep it that way. We dont need calmag in soil my guy unless using RO, and if using RO, stop now unless tap is unusable.

@Rurumo is correct, you need an EC meter. this is proper way to measure feed level

@myke is also correct about feeding with runoff in DTW. this prevents salt buildup and ensures fresh supply of balanced nutrients in medium

Sounds like you went a little heavy on the last feed, but thats ok, we can get things right going forward.

On next water/feed cycle, just give her a light Bloom feed, no additives, with runoff. 1ec should be plenty right now, we can up it on the next one. We want to guard against a salt buildup here, she'll eat through it.

After that, feed 1-3.5ec with runoff everytime, until late flower when you can mix some water cycles in. Feed level will depend on strain and age in flower. Best of luck! :blsmoke:
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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myke said:
What people dont understand is when feeding with salts you need to get some runoff.So your flushing out the old and replace with new.
So every time you feed get 20% runoff,dont let it get to dry and dont let the plant suck up the runoff.Water between feeds doesn't need runoff.
Use your EC meter to check runoff,Ill bet its 4x what your pouring in.
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This is a very good point!.. I can feed from clones to near harvest at 1000-1300ppm, and no water breaks ever. But I feed every single time till I see run off gushing out the bottom. May seem like a waste of nutes, but it does keep things from building up in the medium.
 
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Jakehasaflac

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calvin.m16 said:
I just feel like liquid fertilizers shouldn't be used if you're going the soil route. Maybe some calmag if you're using RO filtered water but other than that you might as well grow in Coco. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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The feed chart I use is from FFOF and they say to use liquid nutes
 
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Jakehasaflac

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calvin.m16 said:
I just feel like liquid fertilizers shouldn't be used if you're going the soil route. Maybe some calmag if you're using RO filtered water but other than that you might as well grow in Coco. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Why do you feel that feed designed for soil or hydro or any medium isn't good?
 
calvin.m16

calvin.m16

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Jakehasaflac said:
Why do you feel that feed designed for soil or hydro or any medium isn't good?
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I'm all for synganic growing. Fox Farms is ass their growing mediums all suck terribly. I've used Coco Loco Ocean Forest Happy Frog all junk. Infused with bug larvae and anything else that was in peoples residential compost bin.

You can buy super soil and not use any fertilizers or supplements though, it's expensive to use soil why would you buy soil to add bottled nutrients? It's like oiling grease on bearings, counter intuitive.
 
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