Fogdog
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that's a good metaphor.
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CatHedral
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I disagree with the ten years part. New vaccine technologies are game changers, and they keep discovering way cool new molecules that have new or unique mechanisms of action.Yes, our bodies are more resilient to a Covid infection due to immunization or acquired immunity for most of those infected. There are troubling reports of wide spread blood clotting and of people showing long Covid symptoms even if they were asymptomatic immediately after the infection.
Because SARS COV-2 can cause blood clots and other organ damage throughout the body, it will be a while, I think, before we know much about long term effects and how common they are. I'm wondering if another shoe will drop. If those early, unverified reports are true, we may see a drop in life span for those infected even if they weathered the infection. Big if, but I'm not the only one saying it.
Long COVID questions and answers
COVID-19 can have lasting symptoms that affect many parts of the body. Learn more about the symptoms and effects of long COVID.www.mayoclinic.org
Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown
Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time, but research is ongoing. Researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.
So, it would be great if I could avoid getting infected until a longer term vaccine is available. I just don't think it's possible to avoid infection from Omicron or worse for the next ten years. If/when I get infected, I'm will be one of the data points regarding long term effects. Our generation will inform the next one on this subject. This is not all that different from the past. We learn as we go. I prefer to not go early.
I’m less worried about length of coverage than about breadth. Even with Delta we saw the vaxed get infected and shed contagious virus. We will probably have an improved/supplemental vaccine by oh May. And with the world’s pharma labs “on it” (including closing the vax-transmission loophole) we may just get ahead of the variant after Omicron, depending on what a billion hard-hit immune systems cough up next.
Fogdog
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People who have to go to work or to school are exposed to the live virus with regularity these days. The current vaccine doesn't do much to prevent infection and that virus is very contagious. I have a kid in school. My wife has a job where she has to go to an office. I work from home for now but some of my projects require that I be present. I give myself maybe a year under present conditions before I get infected. I can't shut the world out.
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printer
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All vaccinated participants with severe COVID-19 in CDC study had at least one risk factor
Every vaccinated participant who endured serious COVID-19 outcomes as part of a new study of more than 1 million people had at least one risk factor that left them vulnerable, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The CDC research published Thursday provided further evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines protect recipients, making severe outcomes “rare.” Just 189 people experienced these outcomes out of more than 1.2 million who got their primary vaccination series between December 2020 and October 2021.
All of these patients who endured serious outcomes, such as intensive care unit admission and death, had one or more risk factors that made them more likely to develop serious illness from the virus.
The risk factors included being aged 65 and older, being immunocompromised, or having underlying conditions involving pulmonary disease, liver disease, chronic kidney disease, neurologic disease, diabetes or cardiac disease.
The study defined serious COVID-19 outcomes as hospitalization with diagnosis of acute respiratory failure, need for noninvasive ventilation or ICU admission and death.
Just 36 people in the study died of COVID-19 after getting their primary vaccination series, with 78 percent of them having at least four risk factors. In total, 2,246 vaccinated people in the study contracted COVID-19, and almost 77 percent had at least one risk factor.
The research suggests people vaccinated with the primary series who are older, immunocompromised or have certain underlying conditions are more likely to develop breakthrough cases, supporting increased precautions and boosters among more vulnerable populations.
Out of the 3,395 people in the study who received booster or additional dose, only 27 contracted COVID-19, with three having severe outcomes. None were admitted to the ICU or died.
Data collection for the study ended in October, before the highly transmissible omicron variant was detected in the U.S.
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Every vaccinated participant who endured serious COVID-19 outcomes as part of a new study of more than 1 million people had at least one risk factor that left them vulnerable, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
The CDC research published Thursday provided further evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines protect recipients, making severe outcomes “rare.” Just 189 people experienced these outcomes out of more than 1.2 million who got their primary vaccination series between December 2020 and October 2021.
All of these patients who endured serious outcomes, such as intensive care unit admission and death, had one or more risk factors that made them more likely to develop serious illness from the virus.
The risk factors included being aged 65 and older, being immunocompromised, or having underlying conditions involving pulmonary disease, liver disease, chronic kidney disease, neurologic disease, diabetes or cardiac disease.
The study defined serious COVID-19 outcomes as hospitalization with diagnosis of acute respiratory failure, need for noninvasive ventilation or ICU admission and death.
Just 36 people in the study died of COVID-19 after getting their primary vaccination series, with 78 percent of them having at least four risk factors. In total, 2,246 vaccinated people in the study contracted COVID-19, and almost 77 percent had at least one risk factor.
The research suggests people vaccinated with the primary series who are older, immunocompromised or have certain underlying conditions are more likely to develop breakthrough cases, supporting increased precautions and boosters among more vulnerable populations.
Out of the 3,395 people in the study who received booster or additional dose, only 27 contracted COVID-19, with three having severe outcomes. None were admitted to the ICU or died.
Data collection for the study ended in October, before the highly transmissible omicron variant was detected in the U.S.
All vaccinated participants with severe COVID-19 in CDC study had at least one risk factor
Every vaccinated participant who endured serious COVID-19 outcomes as part of a new study of more than 1 million people had at least one risk factor that left them vulnerable, according to the…
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zeddd
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I have had all 3 variants due to working the entire pandemic, alpha before the vaccine I was ill for one month, delta was slightly different symptoms but covid is covid, it feels like nothing else I’ve had, omicron was more joint pain and tiredness with that covidy feeling.
The second and third illnesses were 3 days and nothing like the first which was unpleasant and enduring.
The second and third illnesses were 3 days and nothing like the first which was unpleasant and enduring.
captainmorgan
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Frontiers | Platelets in Immune Response to Virus and Immunopathology of Viral Infections
Platelets are essential effector cells in hemostasis. Aside from their role in coagulation, platelets are now recognized as major inflammatory cells with key...
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CatHedral
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I concur. I live fairly isolated, but it is “when” not if.
captainmorgan
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There is nothing about covid that is mild.
zeddd
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The flip side is many think they are now doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, or are generally prescient regarding imagined outcomes
CatHedral
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All those crisp new Qniversity diplomas
zeddd
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It was mild for my kids
DIY-HP-LED
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Nobody here is discounting the potential seriousness of covid for long term issues, but all we can do is get vaxxed and boosted, take reasonable precautions and hope for the best when our number comes up. We are headed for the herd one way or another, whatever that means in the long term. I think the milder the case and the shorter duration the less damage done, but time will tell. For most people avoiding this thing is not an option, I'm retired and don't need to go out except for groceries, but others need to work and go to school sooner or later. We can't stop it, we can try to slow it down to save the hospitals from being swamped this winter. If you can hibernate until most of it burns through you might be ok for a time after spring.
DIY-HP-LED
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The scientific consensus is changing on covid since omicron, we can't stop it, just slow it down.
zeddd
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Not really, they have good hearted intentions to spread the latest news but are misguided. On the competence scale, they are first rung; unconsciously incompetent.
If you haven’t studied medicine it must be very difficult to understand all of the nuances of a pandemic, but it doesn’t stop the opinion. Unfortunately the advice is often 2 weeks out of date. There’s only really one person on this forum who regularly gives out dodgy medical advice, and he’s a blue collar tradesman.
CatHedral
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It is the unconsciously incompetent who also give traction to disinformation. They’re pliant that way.
DIY-HP-LED
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I went to the grocery store last night to stock up, but found there were somethings in short supply or not there at all. Everybody here has the same idea, stock up and hunker down cause covid is in town. I might go back tonight when the crowds are thin, or early in the morning for old folks hours to pick up a few more items.
DIY-HP-LED
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In this case it appeared to be more of a case of me coming to the store late and folks preparing to stay home for a spell. I usually just buy enough for my needs, but would like to keep trips to the store to a minimum. There is a run on testing here and rapid test kits were snapped up. We had it good for most of the pandemic, but did experience the classic shortage of toilet paper!
We won't get ahead of this problem until we get the planet vaxxed, but there are better reasons for doing that. The rich countries are first in line and the rich in poor countries are too. India is the world largest vaccine producer however and they are rolling it out. Currently we are making 1.5 billion does of vaccine a month.
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