Police Interactions.

CatHedral

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Yeah, all sorts of reasons and backgrounds come to the same conclusion. That is a very good explanation that can apply across the board for the reasoning behind why people come to the conclusion.
It looks to me like we need radical reform of how we do policing in this nation’s states and municipalities.

I have two suggestions or desires.

1) Their unions are too powerful. They have switched from seeking fair employment to guarding their unfair advantages.

2) Undo, at the Federal level, the “law enforcement exemption” from laws governing civilian firearm ownership.
Police in this nation, and never mind the uniforms and pseudomilitary systems of rank they affect, ARE CIVILIANS.
Hold them to that.
here in CA cops can buy all those tasty spiky black weapons that are denied to other civilians. Shit’s massively hypocritical.

If you are an officer in a jurisdiction that does not allow a civilian to buy or own a handgun (DC, Hawai’i and Boston come to mind) well tough.

SWAT should be strictly FBI. If you’re LAPD and you need SWAT, call the boss.

I imagine, remove these Praetorian perks and the job at least becomes possible.
 

potroastV2

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Yep, it's been this way for a couple of decades now, but is certainly getting worse.

Their motto "protect and serve" is a misnomer ...

they are protecting themselves, and serving their fellow officers.


:mrgreen:
 

HGCC

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1) Their unions are too powerful. They have switched from seeking fair employment to guarding their unfair advantages.
Ha, guess there is a case where I am anti union. Fuck their union. We need to send in some scabs, bust that shit like they were poor people in Appalachia trying not to get black lung.
 

HGCC

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I would have enjoyed seeing that cop get bricked and then robbed.

#showboebertyourdick and #robacop

-modern problems requiring modern solutions.
 

canndo

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If you want to peek under the hood of the gang in blue, watch incidences if "puppicide" the killing of dogs by officers in uniform. Thousands a year, every year. They claim, after they have shot chained dogs, dogs behind fences, dogs of every size, that they were in fear for their safety.


Now investigate the numbers of postmen and meter readers who have been seriously harmed in the performance of THEIR duty. Not many, not even in the dozens.

Police can always legitimately claim that a comb looks like a gun or a cell phone a knife when reached for by a human but they are stripped of that little ruse when their victim is a dog.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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POVs are government documents and it is a crime to utter one, or facilitate their creation in Canada, it should be the same in America, like flashing a fake police badge. We have a national standard administered by provinces and the POVs have a QR code that anybody like a security guard can download an app to scan and verify using their cellphone.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/kim-potter-guilty-manslaughter-death-of-daunte-wright-43e70645189bf61be64fc00534adf388
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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A suburban Minneapolis police officer who said she confused her handgun for her Taser was convicted of manslaughter Thursday in the death of Daunte Wright, prompting tears from the young Black man’s parents and a jubilant celebration by supporters outside the courthouse who chanted “Guilty, guilty, guilty!”

The mostly white jury deliberated for about 27 hours over four days before finding former Brooklyn Center Officer Kim Potter guilty of first-degree and second-degree manslaughter.Potter, 49, faces about seven years in prison under the state’s sentencing guidelines, but prosecutors said they would seek a longer term.

Judge Regina Chu ordered Potter taken into custody and held without bail pending sentencing on Feb. 18. Potter had been free on $100,000 bond posted the day last April that she was charged, which was three days after she killed Wright and a day after she quit the police force.

As she was led away in handcuffs, a Potter family member in the courtroom shouted “Love you, Kim!” Potter’s attorneys left the courthouse without commenting and didn’t immediately respond to phone messages or emails.

It was the second high-profile conviction of a police officer won this year by a team led by Attorney General Keith Ellison, including some of the same attorneys who helped convict Derek Chauvin in George Floyd’s death in the very same courtroom just eight months earlier.

Wright was killed while that trial was happening not far away, and it set off a wave of angry protests outside the police station in Brooklyn Center, where demonstrators demanding “Justice for Daunte” clashed with officers in riot gear for several nights.

Outside the courthouse Thursday, dozens of people who had gathered erupted in cheers, hugs and tears of joy as the verdicts were read. A New Orleans-style jazz band played “When the Saints Go Marching In.” Two men jumped up and down holding one another’s shoulders, and then other people began jumping up and down and chanting “Guilty, guilty, guilty!”

They chanted “Say his name! Daunte Wright!” Some held yellow signs that said “guilty” in large block letters.

Potter, who testified that she “didn’t want to hurt anybody,” looked down without any visible reaction when the verdicts were read. As Chu thanked the jury, Potter made the sign of the cross.

Potter’s attorneys argued that she should be allowed to remain free until she’s sentenced, saying she wasn’t going to commit another crime or go anywhere.

“It is the Christmas holiday season,” Potter attorney Paul Engh argued. “She’s a devoted Catholic, no less, and there is no point to incarcerate her at this point in time.”

Chu rejected their arguments, though, saying she “cannot treat this case any differently than any other case.”

Though Potter showed no visible emotion in court as the verdicts were read, she was photographed smiling in a mug shot taken later as she was processed at a women’s prison near Minneapolis.

After Potter was led from the courtroom, prosecutor Erin Eldridge exchanged a long hug with a tearful Katie Bryant, Wright’s mother and a frequent presence at the trial, and with Wright’s father. Ellison also exchanged hugs with the parents.

Outside the courthouse afterward, Ellison said the verdict brought a measure of accountability for Potter but fell short of justice.

“Justice would be restoring Daunte to life and making the Wright family whole again,” Ellison said. “Justice is beyond the reach that we have in this life for Daunte. But accountability is an important step, a critical necessary step on the road to justice for us all.”

Ellison said he felt sympathy for Potter, who has gone from being an “esteemed member of the community” to being convicted of a serious crime.

Wright’s mother hugged Ellison and said the verdicts triggered “every single emotion that you could imagine.”

“Today we have gotten accountability and that’s what we’ve been asking for from the beginning,” Katie Bryant said, crediting supporters for keeping up pressure.

“We love you, we appreciate you, and honestly, we could not have done it without you,” she said.

The time-stamps on the verdicts showed that jurors agreed on the second count on Tuesday, before they asked the judge that afternoon what to do if they were having difficulty agreeing. The guilty verdict on the more serious first-degree count was reached at 11:40 a.m. Thursday.

Potter, who is white, shot and killed the 20-year-old Wright during an April 11 traffic stop in Brooklyn Center as she and other officers were trying to arrest him on an outstanding warrant for a weapons possession charge. The shooting happened at a time of high tension in the area, with Chauvin standing trial in nearby Minneapolis for Floyd’s death.

Jurors saw video of the shooting from police body cameras and dashcams. As Wright pulled away while another officer attempted to handcuff him, Potter repeatedly said she would tase him, but instead shot him once in his chest with her gun, which was in her hand.

“(Expletive)! I just shot him. ... I grabbed the wrong (expletive) gun,” Potter said on video shown to the jury. Moments later, she said: “I’m going to go to prison.”

During her sometimes tearful testimony, Potter told jurors that she was “sorry it happened.” She said the traffic stop “just went chaotic.”

The maximum prison sentence for first-degree manslaughter is 15 years. Minnesota law sentences defendants only on their most serious conviction when multiple counts involve the same act and the same victim, and state guidelines call for about seven years on that charge.

Prosecutors have said they would seek to prove aggravating factors that merit what’s called an upward departure from sentencing guidelines. In Potter’s case, they alleged that her actions were a danger to others, including her fellow officers, to Wright’s passenger and to the couple whose car was struck by Wright’s after the shooting. They also alleged she abused her authority as a police officer.

Potter’s attorneys argued that she made a tragic mistake, but that she also would have been justified in using deadly force because of the possibility that Potter’s fellow officer, then-Sgt. Mychal Johnson, was at risk of being dragged if Wright had driven away from the traffic stop.

Potter testified that she decided to act after seeing a look of fear on Johnson’s face. But Eldridge pointed out to jurors that for much of the interaction, Potter was behind a third officer she was training and that Johnson didn’t come into her camera’s view until after the shot was fired — and then it showed the top of his head as he backed away.

“Sgt. Johnson was clearly not afraid of being dragged,” Eldridge said. “He never said he was scared. He didn’t say it then, and he didn’t testify to it in court.”

Eldridge also noted an inconsistency in Potter’s testimony, saying that when she gave an interview to a psychologist working for the defense team, she told him she didn’t know why she used her Taser. Potter told the jury she didn’t recall saying that.

First-degree manslaughter required prosecutors to prove that Potter caused Wright’s death while committing a misdemeanor — in her case, the reckless handling of a firearm. The second-degree charge required them to prove that she caused Wright’s death by “culpable negligence.”
 

captainmorgan

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Sounds more like a serial killer than a police officer, NYT article.

A Pennsylvania state trooper has fatally shot four people in separate incidents since 2007, an extraordinary tally for an officer responsible for patrolling largely rural areas with low rates of violent crime. Trooper Jay Splain remains on duty.
 

CatHedral

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Sounds more like a serial killer than a police officer, NYT article.

A Pennsylvania state trooper has fatally shot four people in separate incidents since 2007, an extraordinary tally for an officer responsible for patrolling largely rural areas with low rates of violent crime. Trooper Jay Splain remains on duty.
Someone splain
 

printer

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Seattle police faked right-wing radio talk during social justice protests: probe
Seattle police officers engaged in fake radio transmissions about the Proud Boys during the 2020 racial justice protests, causing unnecessary panic, the Office of Police Accountability (OPA) said on Wednesday.

A "misinformation effort" that caused alarm among racial justice protestors was "approved, ordered, and led" by an unnamed member of the Seattle Police Department, the OPA wrote in findings released as a conclusion to a probe that began in 2020.

The OPA began looking into the radio transmissions from the night of June 8, 2020, after a journalist contacted the office with concerns in November of 2020. The transmissions discussed police officers spotting members of the far-right group the Proud Boys as they were heading towards protestors.

"There was radio chatter that the Proud Boys were heading to Capitol Hill and protesters began building barricades and arming themselves," the findings noted.

People monitoring police radio transmissions then began putting out alerts on social media.

"The journalist stated that, when this occurred, it seemed like everyone in the crowd who owned guns went to get theirs and the event went from being peaceful to something entirely different," the OPA wrote.

In the probe's conclusion, the OPA noted that the transmissions were a ruse coordinated and approved by a higher-up within the department.

"The officers that engaged in the effort did so in compliance with orders from the chain of command," OPA wrote.

The mention of the Proud Boys was a "misinformation effort" and an "improper ruse that violated policy," it added.

The two officers who organized the effort have since left the department, the summary notes. Those higher-up officers, not the individual officers who participated in the transmissions, "bear responsibility for what subsequently occurred," OPA wrote.
 

cherrybobeddie

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As I have stated before : I knew a bunch of students at a local college who called themselves police science majors. And were. As a group they were cretins with I believe a low IQ, puffed up sense of self worth, and a very narrow view of life and society. A few were fine people.
The USA is now paying for a few things. Like a delayed maintenance plan, things will start to come apart. That poor education system? There is as result as evidenced by Doni O' Sullivan on CNN videos of Trumpers.
With a society of diverse origins, the USA has always had a racism streak. And now that society is becoming populated by people not, generally speaking, white, certain white people can't handle it. They are angry and they don't know why. They think they know. I know these people. They buy new guns. Never shoot them. Just buy them. Could not point to Afghanistan on a map if their life depended on it. Most all of them work/ed, some belong to unions, and why they are an admirer of a billionaire I can't fathom. Is it because Trump repped hisself a hard arse with that " you're fired"? And they see themselves as true 'mericans and they too ain't gonna take this sheiss anymore? I think this is the beginning of the end of democracy.
Thank you for allowing me to rant. It's been cathartic. And thank you, Sunset Sherbet.
 

hanimmal

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Tazed the guy, then all of a sudden you see the three cops get the 'oh shit' face.

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The glow is from the stun gun setting the guy on fire (one of the tweets said he had a bunch of hand sanitizer on him which is what ignited) and runs into the frame.

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All the cops flee the room and shut the guy in by himself while still on fire.

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He finally gets the flames out by himself, and the cops start to try to put him in cuffs when they come back in for a second but are clearly in a wtf do we do mode.

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The guy who was set on fire is trying to hug one of the cops and they kept backing away until someone who wasn't in the room came in and gave the guy a hug.

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