zeddd
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I admire their simplicity, they believe that they are helping themselves, they are just misguided and make decisions based on an irrational bedrock of fantasy, given traction in the post reason/Trump era
Will You Take The Vaccine?
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CunningCanuk
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What do you think of the CDC guidelines?
zeddd
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Specifically what?
captainmorgan
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Just give them the dewormer they beg and threaten for and save the real medicine for the sane.
DIY-HP-LED
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It's not hard to long for a eugenic solution using Darwinian natural selection, however a hallmark of civilization is helping the weak minded in spite of themselves! We'd end just as bad as those stupid bastards if we reduced ourselves to their level. My level of sympathy for them varies with the number they helped take with them and I have little for the antivaxx cheerleaders.
I don't think it will be much of an issue for very long, most of the vaxxed don't end up in the ICU or needing antiviral drugs, or antibodies and both will be available in quantity by spring and infections are starting to level off already. Many fewer people are ending up in the hospital with omicron, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, but the volume should be high for awhile because of the number of infections.
We help people who do all kinds of stupid and dangerous stuff anyway.
CatHedral
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Weak vs. weak-minded, big difference. I’d say a civilized society looks out for the weak. But the weak-minded are in a hell of their own device. I would not dissipate resources on them.
DIY-HP-LED
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You can't save people from themselves, but ya can try to keep them from taking ya with them on the highway to Hell!
CatHedral
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You can't save people from themselves, but ya can try to keep them from taking ya with them on the highway to Hell!
Will you take the antibiotic?
www.cnn.com
R. Kelly is a 'no'.
R. Kelly's physician testifies the singer had herpes since at least 2007 as prosecutors allege he knowingly infected people | CNN
R. Kelly's personal physician of 25 years took the stand Thursday to testify about his treatment of the singer's genital herpes since at least 2007, after prosecutors allege the singer knowingly infected multiple people with the incurable sexually transmitted disease.
R. Kelly is a 'no'.
CunningCanuk
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The guidelines for who will have priority in receiving antivirals. Giving them to 25 year old unvaccinated smokers over 60 year old cancer patients doesn’t make sense to me. I’m wondering if it makes sense to you.
the 25 year old had not lived their life; you and i are considered expendable now having lived ours.
which is why no unnecessary surgeries (or putting myself in a position for, such as leaving home) is at the top of my list.
in other words don't do anything that could put you in jeopardy..alpine skiing..rock climbing..walking downtown Toronto.
printer
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Preliminary Israeli study shows fourth vaccine not enough to stop omicron
Gili Regev-Yochay, director of Sheba Medical Center's Infectious Diseases Unit, said the trial studied the effect of the Pfizer booster after two weeks and the Moderna booster after one week, according to Reuters.
Regev-Yochay said the increase in antibodies from a fourth shot was "probably not enough for the Omicron."
"We know by now that the level of antibodies needed to protect and not to got infected from Omicron is probably too high for the vaccine, even if it's a good vaccine," she added.
Sheba Medical Center ran the trial on second booster shots among 150 of its staff members, and its findings were preliminary and unpublished, The Times of Israel reported. About 500,000 Israelis have been inoculated with a fourth dose as of Sunday.
Israel has led the push for vaccinations throughout the pandemic and was the first country to begin to offer booster shots to its population.
Prime Minister Naftali Bennett previously announced that the country would begin offering a fourth vaccine as a second booster shot for high-risk populations and vulnerable groups.
Despite the push for vaccinations, Israel reported nearly 12,000 new COVID-19 cases earlier this month, a record-setting figure for daily case rates since the start of the pandemic.
“There is no control of the omicron wave,” Sharon Alroy-Preis, the Israeli health ministry’s top public health official, said to a local news outlet at the time.
thehill.com
Gili Regev-Yochay, director of Sheba Medical Center's Infectious Diseases Unit, said the trial studied the effect of the Pfizer booster after two weeks and the Moderna booster after one week, according to Reuters.
Regev-Yochay said the increase in antibodies from a fourth shot was "probably not enough for the Omicron."
"We know by now that the level of antibodies needed to protect and not to got infected from Omicron is probably too high for the vaccine, even if it's a good vaccine," she added.
Sheba Medical Center ran the trial on second booster shots among 150 of its staff members, and its findings were preliminary and unpublished, The Times of Israel reported. About 500,000 Israelis have been inoculated with a fourth dose as of Sunday.
Israel has led the push for vaccinations throughout the pandemic and was the first country to begin to offer booster shots to its population.
Prime Minister Naftali Bennett previously announced that the country would begin offering a fourth vaccine as a second booster shot for high-risk populations and vulnerable groups.
Despite the push for vaccinations, Israel reported nearly 12,000 new COVID-19 cases earlier this month, a record-setting figure for daily case rates since the start of the pandemic.
“There is no control of the omicron wave,” Sharon Alroy-Preis, the Israeli health ministry’s top public health official, said to a local news outlet at the time.
Preliminary Israeli study shows fourth vaccine not enough to stop omicron
A preliminary study in Israel, believed to be the world’s first, found that a fourth COVID-19 vaccine is not enough to prevent omicron infections. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of Sheba Me…
thehill.com
zeddd
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So you read an article by a doctor (Bruce Farber?) complaining about something called triage?
Budley Doright
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For once I believe you. Trump would be proud. Your wife and kids think your a hero? Yes I bet your a great roll model…….
CunningCanuk
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I’ll take that as a yes.
It doesn’t make sense to me but I’m not a medical professional.
zeddd
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So I can try and explain. Pretend for a minute that you are a doctor, two people are waiting to be seen. One has a very painful dislocated thumb, the other is vomiting blood on your floor, who would you attend to first?
Roger A. Shrubber
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the one who was vaccinated
i understand the concept of triage...i just think they have their criteria for it all fucked up...one of the first questions should be, "is this patient vaccinated?" if the answer is no, move on to the next one that is, until they're all treated, then, and only then, do the unvaccinated get any attention...
CunningCanuk
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I understand your point without pretending I’m something I’m not.
Pretend for a moment you are a cancer patient with Covid. Pretend you’re denied a life saving treatment because it’s reserved for people that, from personal choice, won’t take a vaccine that would have prevented them from needing the treatment in the first place.
Considering your profession, I’m glad you have empathy for the stupid. I don’t have that empathy but since I’m a retired account executive, it’s not necessary.
zeddd
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Cancer patients with covid are high on the list , they won’t get bumped for an antivaxer with a sore thumb.
You seem really pissed off.