ttystikk
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Give it all back to the Mongols! They were there first!
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oldsilvertip55
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I try to learn ,from sedan, all i can , a true stand up person in my book.
Sedan
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This is the madhouse I have to live in. And most importantly, no one asks me anything .. do I agree .. does anyone agree to this ?! Except for a handful of crazed Nazis supported by Western opportunist militarists, no one in their right mind agrees!. There are only a few thousand of them, and tens of millions live in Ukraine. And these bastards are terrorizing the whole of Ukraine. On the other hand, Putin, who will never give back, even though you beat him with a log.Give it all back to the Mongols! They were there first!
Thanks Bro!!
Sedan
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Sensational news guys... sad news! Putin intimidated aliens! Now neither the Alien nor the Predator will be able to come to the aid of the earthlings in the fight against the tyrant.
www.dailystar.co.uk
but there are still zombies .. damn it, if they can’t help, then there will definitely be an invasion!
PS: Damn, H.G. Wells nervously smokes on the sidelines.... he's probably ashamed of his compatriots.. I'm sure of it!
Putin's war threats are why aliens haven't made first contact, expert claims
Russia's Vladimir Putin's constant threats risking World War Three erupting is hindering chances of aliens making first contact with humans on Earth, a UFO expert has said
but there are still zombies .. damn it, if they can’t help, then there will definitely be an invasion!
PS: Damn, H.G. Wells nervously smokes on the sidelines.... he's probably ashamed of his compatriots.. I'm sure of it!
ttystikk
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Damn you, Putin! I was hoping to trade some genetics with the aliens!Sensational news guys... sad news! Putin intimidated aliens! Now neither the Alien nor the Predator will be able to come to the aid of the earthlings in the fight against the tyrant.
Putin's war threats are why aliens haven't made first contact, expert claims
Russia's Vladimir Putin's constant threats risking World War Three erupting is hindering chances of aliens making first contact with humans on Earth, a UFO expert has said
but there are still zombies .. damn it, if they can’t help, then there will definitely be an invasion!
PS: Damn, H.G. Wells nervously smokes on the sidelines.... he's probably ashamed of his compatriots.. I'm sure of it!
Sedan
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The countdown has begun, 19 days left before Putin's invasion!
Direct reporting from the front line. Putin's hordes are right on the border. In clear weather they can be seen with binoculars. They stand in formation - these are gloomy faces, breathing fumes. They are waiting for the signal to start the attack. Nothing will stop them. At this time, Putin is sitting in a bunker, in front of him is a red button and a bottle of scotch, the fate of the world is in his hands .. The countdown has begun!
More splits appear in NATO as Hungary says it doesn't want UK troops
Hungarian Defence Minister Tibor Benko today declared that there is no need for NATO to deploy its troops in Hungary amid tensions between Russia and the West over Ukraine.
I'm very interested .. who is the guy with yellow hair?))))
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Ukraine security chief: Minsk peace deal may create chaos
Ukraine’s security chief is warning the West against forcing the country to fulfill a peace deal for rebel-held eastern Ukraine that was brokered by France and Germany.
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Sedan
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16 days before the invasion
Planes with weapons from the United States arrive in Ukraine every day, which are immediately transferred to the front line. There is no movement from the Russian side, except that many dogs in body armor appeared in the city, and also this morning I noticed on a birch that grows near my house, a flock of flying AK 47s, which sat down on a tree to rest.
Plants are also not okay. It got warmer, it became very hot in the apartment, because the heating works in the old way, it cannot be regulated by yourself. After I connected the second 600 watt lamp. The temperature in the installation rose to 31 degrees Celsius. It's very hot right now...
Zelensky agreed with Hungary on the reverse ... of Russian gas, i.e. this is first to Hungary from Russia, then from Hungary to Ukraine, you yourself understand that it costs 1.5 times more. We are ready for anything .. even for losses, just not to buy gas from Russia .. Damn, Putin recently met with the Hungarian prime minister .. I'm sure the prime minister left very satisfied. He got gas for... five times cheaper than it is sold in Europe. It was Putin who thanked him so much for supporting him in the confrontation with NATO. For Lukashenka, gas is even cheaper. Just imagine this: if Europe calmed down and stopped playing the fool, then the Europeans would pay five times less for gas! They, too, anything .. even death from the cold, if only not to buy gas from Russia ... Why?))) Probably because Putin will poison his gas to poison the whole of Europe .. The only question is why he needs it ? It is much more profitable for him to sell gas, and not to fight.
Planes with weapons from the United States arrive in Ukraine every day, which are immediately transferred to the front line. There is no movement from the Russian side, except that many dogs in body armor appeared in the city, and also this morning I noticed on a birch that grows near my house, a flock of flying AK 47s, which sat down on a tree to rest.
Plants are also not okay. It got warmer, it became very hot in the apartment, because the heating works in the old way, it cannot be regulated by yourself. After I connected the second 600 watt lamp. The temperature in the installation rose to 31 degrees Celsius. It's very hot right now...
Zelensky agreed with Hungary on the reverse ... of Russian gas, i.e. this is first to Hungary from Russia, then from Hungary to Ukraine, you yourself understand that it costs 1.5 times more. We are ready for anything .. even for losses, just not to buy gas from Russia .. Damn, Putin recently met with the Hungarian prime minister .. I'm sure the prime minister left very satisfied. He got gas for... five times cheaper than it is sold in Europe. It was Putin who thanked him so much for supporting him in the confrontation with NATO. For Lukashenka, gas is even cheaper. Just imagine this: if Europe calmed down and stopped playing the fool, then the Europeans would pay five times less for gas! They, too, anything .. even death from the cold, if only not to buy gas from Russia ... Why?))) Probably because Putin will poison his gas to poison the whole of Europe .. The only question is why he needs it ? It is much more profitable for him to sell gas, and not to fight.
Offmymeds
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Good luck with everything Sedan. Hoping for peace.
In your opinion, why does Putin want to break apart NATO?
Sedan
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Thanks Bro for the kind words!
Putin will not attack, if you are talking about it, you should not worry, believe me, if the provocations do not cross the red lines. This lie and the outrageous hypocrisy of a fantastic direction can drive not only me crazy, but anyone else, even Putin.))
American journalists are already in shock .. It's at the end of the video that's on the link. They cut it out there .. on Russian TV channels they showed it without clippings. This thin guy who answered there... I don't understand what position he holds in your government. But he was clearly confused...
U.S. Exposes What It Says Is Russian Effort to Fabricate Pretext for Invasion (Published 2022)
Officials said Russia was planning a fake video showing an attack by Ukrainians on Russian territory or Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine.
see for yourself how the journalist reacts to the fact that he is tired of unsubstantiated suspicions .. he does not want to take a word, he needs facts! There are no facts. Why? Because it's a lie!
Bro, I know that according to etiquette it is uncivilized to answer a question with a question - this is a bad form - I was taught this in the Soviet school.)) But in this situation, I can’t help it: if you answer me, why is the United States pumping weapons to Ukraine, with all that Russia does not want to fight with Ukraine, then I will answer your question in a very detailed form, namely, why Putin wants to destroy NATO. Although you yourself already understood this, if not stupid.
With respect to you!
Offmymeds
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You are going to have to bribe the guy that controls the temperature. I love that setup.Thanks Bro for the kind words!
Putin will not attack, if you are talking about it, you should not worry, believe me, if the provocations do not cross the red lines. This lie and the outrageous hypocrisy of a fantastic direction can drive not only me crazy, but anyone else, even Putin.))
American journalists are already in shock .. It's at the end of the video that's on the link. They cut it out there .. on Russian TV channels they showed it without clippings. This thin guy who answered there... I don't understand what position he holds in your government. But he was clearly confused...
U.S. Exposes What It Says Is Russian Effort to Fabricate Pretext for Invasion (Published 2022)
Officials said Russia was planning a fake video showing an attack by Ukrainians on Russian territory or Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine.www.nytimes.com
see for yourself how the journalist reacts to the fact that he is tired of unsubstantiated suspicions .. he does not want to take a word, he needs facts! There are no facts. Why? Because it's a lie!
Bro, I know that according to etiquette it is uncivilized to answer a question with a question - this is a bad form - I was taught this in the Soviet school.)) But in this situation, I can’t help it: if you answer me, why is the United States pumping weapons to Ukraine, with all that Russia does not want to fight with Ukraine, then I will answer your question in a very detailed form, namely, why Putin wants to destroy NATO. Although you yourself already understood this, if not stupid.
With respect to you!
The US has a 3-sided propaganda problem the same as Ukraine. Foreign propaganda, domestic propaganda from corporations, and propaganda from politicians. It's maddening.
Re; Putin:
Sorry I couldn't read the article unless I paid. What I see is that Putin wants to weaken NATO because he has designs to enrich himself and his oligarchs. He's simply a mafia thug that sees an opportunity & he's shrewd, testing the limits as always. He is a master of chaos. He's built up the troops along the border while
Zelensky has been asking for very strong sanctions. Instead Ukraine gets weapons that will probably make a Russian invasion a much more difficult and grinding job and war more likely. I agree with Zelensky. What a tough job.
War always drowns out the criticism at home & Russia will almost necessarily strengthen it's alliance with China because of their own expansionist plans & growing discontent at home. On the other hand it will drag Putin's economy further down and Russia could again be bogged down in a prolonged war & there are upsides to pulling back a little. I personally give it a 50/50 chance that he invades. I certainly hope not.
Maybe I phrased it wrong but I just wanted to hear your perspective with all due respect.
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ttystikk
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Putin isn't invading Ukraine. That's Biden administration crazy talk.
The United States is provoking the situation so it can "justify" NATO's ongoing existence and to sell more weapons. Oh and minor detail worth a few billion dollars; the US is trying to bully and manipulate Europe into buying American natural gas instead of Russian. Europe isn't having it.
America has to bomb SOMEBODY; we're running out of wars!
Offmymeds
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Rhetoric about Biden or America's need to bomb somebody isn't convincing to me. Of course NATO's existence is justified. Why wouldn't it be?
Biden just pulled the US out of Afghanistan & America isn't interested in protracted wars simply for spite or a demonstration of power, at least now that Trump is gone anyway.
Was it crazy talk when Putin denied invading Crimea? Is it crazy now to think Putin wouldn't invade after amassing troops along the border? Is Zelensky crazy for saying a Rusian invasion would mean a massive war involving the EU? Putin will take any opportunity given to him. He thinks of Biden as weak and wants to add further trouble, especially with the GOP very willing to assist.
ttystikk
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This sounds like projection; Russia doesn't want war but the United States has an economy built on it; why else would our military budget be $773 billion, NOT including operations costs or intelligence?
NATO was founded because of the threat of Soviet aggression after WWII; that was never a serious threat, ever. The Soviet Union has been gone for 30 years; why is NATO still around? So it can commit acts of military adventurism in Syria and Libya? That's not its mandate.
Russia is correct in saying that the United States is not a trustworthy negotiating partner; we promised not to expand NATO to the east and broke that promise. Then there's the treaty with Iran that was working fine until Trump tore it up for absolutely no reason. Let's not forget START II, the INF treaty and the Open Skies mutual nuclear verification treaty, all of them over because America left them.
The bottom line is that America and the West are the aggressors and have been for decades.
Offmymeds
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Projection? I stated US reasons for avoiding war so I don't understand that comment. Syria remains in a humanitarian crisis with a brutal dictator. Putin needs Syria to keep his economy rolling and he doesn't care at all about Assad's methods because Putin is mafia. Not decades ago, today, this very moment.
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We can agree that America has been aggressors & the defense budget is ridiculous. Again that is only rhetoric & that isn't a persuasive argument when Russia boldly moves forward. At this moment Russia is the country that occupied Crimea, the jewel of Ukraine, while they denied it during the process, & then amassed troops along Ukraine's border. Zelensky himself will be happy to tell you which country is his aggressor. NATO is a collective defense which Ukraine desperately wants to join because of their corrupt and aggressive neighbor & Putin is reinforcing that need. The Cold war continues.
Russia has consistently broken treaties while denying it all along the way. They've lied about US weapons being offensive weapons when it's been proven those are defensive weapons. They continue propaganda campaigns anywhere a democracy exists because it's an extremely cost effective and incremental method to wage war.
I think we can also agree that Putin's friend, Trump, was a moron for pulling out of the treaties and turning policy into transactions. Unfortunately the GOP wants to compound the problems.
Sedan
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Bro, I see that you are a literate person, and you are absolutely right, propaganda not only drives you crazy, but reprograms the brain. You yourself do not notice it, but your thoughts exactly repeat what I read in the foreign press every day, word for word. And I perfectly understand you, because you do not have reliable information for analysis, .. correct me if I'm wrong.
Unfortunately, you only have information from American and European propaganda at your disposal. If you watched Russian propaganda at the same time.. you watched everything together.. at the same time, as I do every day, and if you lived 30 kilometers from the Russian border, where you think Russian troops are, then believe me , you would think very hard .. And you are thousands of kilometers from the epicenter of events, what can you understand about all this? You judge by the pictures on the Internet, where every day they show more and more new layouts of Russian troops on the borders, I can observe all this .. roughly speaking, through binoculars!
In that article, they show a press conference of a thin type (I forgot his last name) that Russia is going to shoot a fake feature film about how Ukrainian troops attacked Donbas, professional actors are involved in this film. The film will show the horror of war - the Ukrainian army is attacking, a bunch of corpses, destroyed houses, crying children.
He says it's accurate intelligence. There was one very sharp reporter who asked him a question
- please provide evidence!
- this is accurate intelligence data
-Where is the evidence?
- Did I just tell you about them?
- this is not evidence!
- if you do not believe American intelligence, then listen to Russian propaganda!
such was his convincing answer))) you need to believe the word, if you don’t believe it, then go to Moscow then.
After that, the journalist remembered Iraq and that vial with biological weapons, in which there were urine tests.)))
As for NATO, you probably haven’t heard this Russian propaganda either.))) When the USA was destroying the USSR, Gorbachev was promised that NATO would not move an inch to the East (this is public information). What we are seeing now is that NATO has not only invaded the Baltic republics, Poland, etc., but is already invading Ukraine. Putin delivered an ultimatum that at least Ukraine should not join NATO, the United States refused this, not only did it refuse, but also pumps Ukraine with weapons and provides all kinds of military assistance. Didn't you know that the Maidan was organized by the CIA? This is also no secret. Put yourself in Putin's place - would you like it? Against the backdrop of endemic Nazism in Ukraine and Russophobia. Why does he need such a neighbor? Who benefits from such a neighbor near the Russians.
Ukraine is now a puppet of the United States, what Biden asks, Zelensky asks the same. This is not Zelensky, this is Biden asking.
And stop referring to this bastard Zelensky as something reliable! This is a scoundrel, he plunders the country. They won't tell you either.
You are probably poorly informed about the Russian army. Russians do not need to cross the border, they can destroy Ukraine completely from their territory. And all these weapons that were brought to Ukraine can be handed over for scrap. There is no countermeasure against hypersonic missiles. The doctrine and the accumulation of power at the borders is a demonstration of power, nothing more!
We discussed this here six months ago. Yes, it will be hot from the union of China and Russia.)) Why don't you like China? Are there also aggressors and dogs in body armor? Or is there something else?
Bro, this is all poetry))) All this is happening solely because of the Nord Stream, all these lies and provocations are aimed at Russia invading Ukraine, and this will give rise to sanctions, including against the Nord Stream. Everyone is well aware that if the Nord Stream is launched, then Europe will be completely dependent on Russia. War has nothing to do with it and aggression has nothing to do with it. Now we are talking about a hypothetical war and aggression, nothing more - this is all an ephemeral myth.
How is that?))) And Belgrade, and Iraq, and Afghanistan, isn't that convincing for you? And most importantly, it was done for no reason! These were peaceful cities - didn't you know?
If NATO is killing, then it is justified, if Putin, then this is aggression! So you better say, Bro, it will be more accurate!
No, it was not nonsense, it was necessary then. It all started with the collapse of the USSR, even then there were sharp disputes about the Crimea, between Russia and Ukraine, all because of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. I was sure then that even then the Russians would take Crimea, and I was very surprised that it turned out to be the opposite. Russia got only the city of Sevostopol. When the CIA organized the Maidan, it immediately became clear to Putin that soon NATO ships would freely enter Crimea. Sevostopol will be surrounded by NATO. What would you do in Putin's place?
Yes, when there was the annexation of Crimea, then I didn’t believe Putin either! Do you know why? Because I knew for sure that the Russians were organizing resistance to the Maidan and preparing a coup in Luhansk, Donetsk .. and Kharkov. Do you know why I knew exactly? Because in Kharkov, when the riots were organized, the militants were commanded by people with ... a Moscow dialect - it was the FSB if they came from Moscow. I know this because I saw it with my own eyes, you won't surprise me with that, but that was a long time ago. I am now talking about what is happening at the moment, at the moment, apart from flying dogs and barking AK47s, I still do not see a real threat .. from here, from the very scene!
Bro, but this is finally nonsense))) Really very funny to hear it! Excuse me, but it's true - I know it for sure!
Believe me, in Russia they also hate Trump, like Biden. There was no smell of friendship there, it was Trump's familiarity and hypocrisy.
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Offmymeds
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Thank you! I really appreciate the perspective of a Ukrainian citizen. If I trusted the news from either side I wouldn't have asked.
I only want to add that eventually everyone hates Trump.
I'll stay tuned but we want updates on your grow too, please.
Sedan
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I had to start with this!)) I already understood it, Bro .. they buttoned you up with propaganda so that Trump was at least a monster for you.)) Bro, switch to Fox News - believe me, in just a week, you will change attitude towards Trump is radical!
Because of this fucking Trump, along with Biden, I was banned from the political thread here a year ago.)) I was very offended then.
It's understandable that you subconsciously don't trust the news, but propaganda goes deeper, it's incredibly hard to resist propaganda, and it's not just news. Try to think objectively - you will understand everything.
Do not disappear, I will tell everything about the war and about plants .. it will be true!
Offmymeds
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Sorry, Sedan. I will never listen to Fox News. Honestly, that made me chuckle. That is pure propaganda. Their top-rated prime-time host, Tucker Carlson, is a blatant racist & Fox's lawyers in court argued successfully that no "reasonable viewer" would take his statements as statements of fact. That was over the matter of defamation by Carlson when he called Trump's former mistress an extortionist. BTW, long after the weapons of mass destruction idea was debunked, Fox still promoted it.
Trump is a malignant narcissist that lies more than he breathes, is intent on destroying democracy for his own personal benefit, and Fox has been his propaganda arm. Now Trump is using another broadcaster, Newsmax, which allows him to spout his venom and lies simply because Fox displeased him by accurately calling a state's election results for the true winner, Biden. Trump's lies are getting more & more desperate & he will always use a broadcasting station that will not report facts or ask hard questions, precisely why he appeared exclusively on Fox in the past while calling all other outlets "fake news". Just a day ago the Newsmax interviewer allowed Trump to falsely claim that no one died during the insurrection he instigated except for 1 "patriotic woman". Not a peep from the journalist interviewing him even though 5 people died that day & 150 police were sent to the hospital.
I will question government reports & I will listen to you and other Ukrainians but I will never digest Fox, Newsmax, or OAN propaganda.
BTW, reputable media outlets have reported the incident whereby the journalists asked for evidence & Fox ate crow for reporting that a jobs report would be horrible when in fact it came out to be overwhelmingly positive.
Peace, Bro.
PS - I must take a break from political topics. This is robbing me of valuable time.
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