Mammoth P

ZuuTeD614

ZuuTeD614

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I am using a additive in my water from seedling until harvest along with my normal nutes. This Mammoth P is some pretty slick stuff people. It's kinda pricey, bur well worth the money and a big bottle goes on way.
 
Lenin1917

Lenin1917

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Well damn, I’m bout to try it regardless, got a free 8oz bottle and it’s just microbes so even if it doesn’t do much good I don’t see it doing much harm.
 
ZuuTeD614

ZuuTeD614

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I switched to recharge instead of thr Mammoth p. Now I haven't been using any. I use FFOF soil would I wait until the 30 or 40 day mark then start using microbes? To recharge the soil?
 
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ChrispyCritter

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You're not going to hurt anything by adding microbes to your soil anytime. Once a week is good or more often. At some point it might be wasteful to keep adding more and more but it won't hurt your plant. Just don't let the soil dry out and your microbial colony should live on. I use recharge and Tribus. Enzyme teas made from malted barley are good for exciting the herd.
 
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ChrispyCritter

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budman111 said:
Lets be honest, in the grand scheme of things they do little to nothing and mammoth P is astronomically priced...a fool and his money though.
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In some situations more than others they can be very effective in helping the nutrients get to the plants. I think you're 100% right that in a synthetic nutrient grow they might not do much. In an organic soil grow they add to whatever microbes are already there....or not there...and put the whole process of breaking down the mostly dry products/nutes into high gear. If your soil isn't good to start with its no magic bullet and there are other parts of the grow that are much more important but I'm fully behind the science here. Some are way overpriced for sure, but not all are as high as mammoth.
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ChrispyCritter

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Oops that didn't post like I hoped. Lol. Very sorry.
Just wanted to add that if you have good soil with good worm castings and maybe some nice rich compost then the added inoculation is just more. But I don't have super fresh castings (no worm farm) and my composting skills are suspect. I get antsy making worm tea without a microscope or knowing what to look for if I did. I just get help from the microbe products I use. Either way have a good day.
 
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Blue brother

Blue brother

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I might be wrong but I think mammoth p is geared towards phosforbactor only? Might be saying it wrong lol. The guy who makes ecolife soil advised me to use it during flowering and rooting when the plants benefit from a boost of bio available phosphorus.

also I might be wrong again but mychoriza are fungi and that’s not the same as bacteria?

I usually don’t post unless I’ve got my facts 100% but it’s late I’ve had a busy day

maybe someone can correct me or confirm what I’ve said

hope this helps
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Blue brother said:
I might be wrong but I think mammoth p is geared towards phosforbactor only? Might be saying it wrong lol. The guy who makes ecolife soil advised me to use it during flowering and rooting when the plants benefit from a boost of bio available phosphorus.

also I might be wrong again but mychoriza are fungi and that’s not the same as bacteria?

I usually don’t post unless I’ve got my facts 100% but it’s late I’ve had a busy day

maybe someone can correct me or confirm what I’ve said

hope this helps
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yes myco is fungi definition microbe covers anything from bacteria to fungi to protozoa to nematode etc. it just needs to be small enough so you can only see it under a microscope :)

the thing is with fresh organic matter all the microbes are already there and many more as its not a single strain of selected family of fungi. people do studies on shit and find this strain works great at creating available phosporus and nute firms start producing single strain additives for you to use but the fact is those people who are doing those studies have limited capability to test every strain of fungi or bacteria for their studies. so i’m confident that whatever strain of fungi is in mammoth p it works well in making phosporus available for the plants but i’m also very confident in the knowledge that that same strain of fungi and many other who may or may not work towards the same goal with or without some other benefits to overall growth is already present in my homemade ewc.

so i opt not to pay for mammoth p instead i get an organic cabbage carrots potatoes etc make myself a dinner and feed the peels and bits to my worms :D
 
Blue brother

Blue brother

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crimsonecho said:
yes myco is fungi definition microbe covers anything from bacteria to fungi to protozoa to nematode etc. it just needs to be small enough so you can only see it under a microscope :)

the thing is with fresh organic matter all the microbes are already there and many more as its not a single strain of selected family of fungi. people do studies on shit and find this strain works great at creating available phosporus and nute firms start producing single strain additives for you to use but the fact is those people who are doing those studies have limited capability to test every strain of fungi or bacteria for their studies. so i’m confident that whatever strain of fungi is in mammoth p it works well in making phosporus available for the plants but i’m also very confident in the knowledge that that same strain of fungi and many other who may or may not work towards the same goal with or without some other benefits to overall growth is already present in my homemade ewc.

so i opt not to pay for mammoth p instead i get an organic cabbage carrots potatoes etc make myself a dinner and feed the peels and bits to my worms :D
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I do agree with what you’re saying but a lot of people do just wanna buy a bottle for a specific reason and don’t make bokashi, keep worms, or compost (I keep worms btw).

Also having read the literature on mammoth p I don’t think there are any mycorrhiza in there, it’s 4 specific strains of bacteria only so microbes yes but no mycorrhiza or other fungi.

i just wanted to point this out cos alot if people just class microbes as “bennies” and mix and match all sorts and can end up with huge fungal/bacterial imbalances
 
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