cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
What is a headscratcher is the Aptera is comfier, enclosed and uses about half the joules per mile. And recharges by just sitting.
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xtsho
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Yeah I'd rather have the Aptera. It's got a real steering wheel and not handlebars as well.
Budley Doright
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Looks comfy
Oregon electric vehicle startup Arcimoto opens new 250,000-square-foot factory
The new 250,000 square-foot manufacturing facility will allow Arcimoto to greatly increase production of its three-wheel electric vehicles, it said.www.oregonlive.com
! Wonder how it performs in -20C with a few inches of snow? Oregon right?
xtsho
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Yes Oregon. Fortunately we don't get that cold here. From what I gather their focusing on targeting markets like Southern California and Florida, Nevada, Arizona, etc... Oregon and Washington are listed as well but I don't see them being in big demand around here just because it rains so much. But I'm sure I'll see one going down the road someday.Looks comfy
They look like great city vehicles, or short distance non-freeway commuters. Most people would need a second vehicle until awd becomes more popular in these things, but I figure if you can use a sun-powered micro-vehicle for 3/4 of the year, you're saving quite a bit of emissions.
Budley Doright
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For some reason I thought Oregon had some pretty cold snowy weather away from the coast …… I’m dealing with ice and water flooding everything right now. Spent the weekend digging trenches with tractor, it didn’t help much. My road is almost impassable and snow Friday, shits going crazy
.It depends where, like the east is high desert without many mountains, so the storms move through quickly. One of the reasons why you see so much snow in Tahoe, versus very little twenty minutes away in Reno. Storms back up and dump, then fly right on through once they get over the Sierra's.For some reason I thought Oregon had some pretty cold snowy weather away from the coast …… I’m dealing with ice and water flooding everything right now. Spent the weekend digging trenches with tractor, it didn’t help much. My road is almost impassable and snow Friday, shits going crazy
We've had similar here, but yours are colder for longer. December was rough, had four feet of snow that broke half of every medium sized pine tree around. They're still working on cleaning up the freeway two months later. We're down a couple miles of private road cut into the side of the mountains, so we don't get much infrastructure love when the big storms come through. I think I prefer it to eastern winters though. Like today was upper thirties with no wind and full sun, effing gorgeous weather.
xtsho
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East of the Cascades they get more snow than we do here west of the Cascades in Portland. We rarely get more than an inch or two here. Were at one end of the Willamette Valley where the Willamette River runs into the Columbia River. East of Portland in the Columbia River Gorge they get some pretty nasty weather and ice storms that shut down I-84 for days at a time.For some reason I thought Oregon had some pretty cold snowy weather away from the coast …… I’m dealing with ice and water flooding everything right now. Spent the weekend digging trenches with tractor, it didn’t help much. My road is almost impassable and snow Friday, shits going crazy
ttystikk
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Nope. One wrong move by some asshole in an F-250 and they were you off the pavement with a sponge.Oregon electric vehicle startup Arcimoto opens new 250,000-square-foot factory
The new 250,000 square-foot manufacturing facility will allow Arcimoto to greatly increase production of its three-wheel electric vehicles, it said.
I really REALLY like the Aptera too but same objection.
Fun fact; pedestrian fatalities have been rising for the last decade as trucks get taller and blind spots get bigger.
SUVs Are Still More Likely To Kill Pedestrians
After a report last year confirming that pedestrian deaths in America are continuing to trend upward while total vehicle-related deaths are on a slight decline, the IIHS set out to investigate this trend with a sharper eye. The institute took a sample of 79 crashes from three urban populations...
jalopnik.com
Not an exact match to topic but the trend is clear.
xtsho
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Not as green as they seem.
I've been saying this for years. We're just swapping one pollution for another. We might have cleaner air but we're poisoning the water in the process. The mines where much of the rare earth minerals used are in countries with absolutely no pollution controls. It's pretty bad. Then there's the forced child labor. People need to think about that before they thing EV's are such a great solution. The EV industry has done a good job keeping the environmental costs hidden but you can find out what's really going on if you actually look.
Toxic runoff from mines in the middle of the Congo jungle. Nice red river. Brined in some brown sugar and spices and those fish will smoke up just fine.
Learning a trade at a young age. No need to learn how to read and write.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I disagree. It is a game of increments. Electric is not clean now, but it is cleaner than fossil energy. Electric 50 years from now will be 63 Corvette vs. 13 Ford.I've been saying this for years. We're just swapping one pollution for another. We might have cleaner air but we're poisoning the water in the process. The mines where much of the rare earth minerals used are in countries with absolutely no pollution controls. It's pretty bad. Then there's the forced child labor. People need to think about that before they thing EV's are the solution. The EV industry has done a good job keeping the environmental costs hidden but you can find out what's really going on if you actually look.
Toxic runoff from mines in the middle of the Congo jungle. Nice red river. Brined in some brown sugar and spices and those fish will smoke up just fine.
Learning a trade at a young age. No need to learn how to read and write.
xtsho
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But what will the water be like in the countries that are being exploited right now in 50 years? How many children will be born with birth defects in these countries in that time?
The world might be a better place for some but it will be worse for others. Who benefits and who loses has pretty much already been decided. I just people should think about all those that are suffering and will suffer so western countries can all pat themselves on the back and say "We did it!".
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I don’t know.
And I am not inclined into the sort of money vs people calculus that stopped Ford from fixing a bad gas tank.
Fogdog
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yep, the solution has to be a systematic one, not just piecemeal and then say sorry when consequences arise.
xtsho
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The Pinto was one car. Entire watersheds are being poisoned.
I actually drove a Pinto back in the day. I had a friend that put a V8 in one. Not many people did it. Most were doing the V8 Vega.
Good ole gas guzzling V8. Not the same car just a photo I grabbed of the internet.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
As a desert dweller, I find water policy interesting.The Pinto was one car. Entire watersheds are being poisoned.
I actually drove a Pinto back in the day. I had a friend that put a V8 in one. Not many people did it. Most were doing the V8 Vega.
Good ole gas guzzling V8. Not the same car just a photo I grabbed of the internet.
The biggest changes in the US will come through our culture. Sacrifice features and comfort and power for high mpg, or high e-mpg. That's not how we roll here though. Even when we try to save the planet with electric, we still can't do it without the hummer equivalent. It's a cultural sickness.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
And yet I find the low-power aesthetic compelling, and I was born here. Maybe my few hours in sailplanes recalibrated how I think of energy.
We just need more like you.