spirulina soil drench

[McShnutz]

yeah definitely and post your impressions about its effects if you feel like it. the only reason i hit my gals this late was because they were yellowing its definitely an N heavy fertilizer but i add so little that i don’t think it makes such a difference i mostly went for it for the remaining 88% of the stuff rather than the 12% N

but yeah those girls would probably love it. also liked the idea of growing cannabis for composting maybe something like planting some bag seeds or sub par stuff at random locations while hiking etc and cutting them down at various stages of growth and composting would be a clever way to create cannabis specific compost especially for outdoor crops but lazy lazy lazy lol

i compost everything i don’t smoke too stems leaves some trim some fluff gotta give it back to the soil so it can grow back on some other plant but of course me smoking the most of it creates an imbalance, fucks up the zen of things

For sure. I like the idea of spreading seeds random places during a hike. You would have to be critical of the specific area. I'm no scientist but I'd assume minerals and nutrients leach downward in a rough, rippled terrain. Water always takes the path of least resistance, so say for example, the base of a hill. A nice sunny spot, but clearly the idea place due to companion plants and water deposits. I would think that would be a highly mineralized, loamy soil.

So, I'm a little conflicted in regards to spirulina over Aloe Vera. I've been using Aloe for the better part of a decade and the only significant differences are NPK. Also I don't think you could foliar with spirulina unless it was further converted by microbials. From what I can tell, the blue/green color of the water is purely pigmentation, all the good shit is in the sediment.
I'm not confident, but this is just a logical hypothesis.

 

[McShnutz]

There are some interesting studies looking at cyanobacteria as biostimulents. I'm interested.... the dosage required is quite small and since spirulina is grown in freshwater, it's easier to avoid heavy metal contamination that is common in brown seaweeds. Of course, finding clean spirulina can be a challenge, but there are a few reliable suppliers out there. I think I might start experimenting with dosages. I love how water soluble the blue pigment in it is (phycocyanin.) Put a teaspoon of spirulina in a clear glass of water and stir it up really well, then come back 30 min later and it has gone from murky swamp water to crystal clear blue water.

What's your opinion on the benifit of the pigment. Is it possible for cannabis to mask its own pigments and adopt the blue from the spirulina?
I've heard of people using food coloring in their water regimen. I've never personally done it. You can always tell a dye from natural pigment and nature nailed it first.

 

[Rurumo]

What's your opinion on the benifit of the pigment. Is it possible for cannabis to mask its own pigments and adopt the blue from the spirulina?
I've heard of people using food coloring in their water regimen. I've never personally done it. You can always tell a dye from natural pigment and nature nailed it first.

Phycocyanin is an incredible natural pigment, I just love the color. My other favorite natural blue pigment is from the Butterfly Pea flower, which, if you've tried that sweet blue tea at Thai restaurants, is responsible for that color. I have no idea if the pigment itself has any impact, but it's an extremely potent antioxidant and highly bioactive in the human body, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is the component affecting plant growth.

 

[McShnutz]

Phycocyanin is an incredible natural pigment, I just love the color. My other favorite natural blue pigment is from the Butterfly Pea flower, which, if you've tried that sweet blue tea at Thai restaurants, is responsible for that color. I have no idea if the pigment itself has any impact, but it's an extremely potent antioxidant and highly bioactive in the human body, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is the component affecting plant growth.

I see no reason to dismiss spirulina as a beneficial, but aloe has alot of the same properties, minus the pigments.
But I do love that blue color!!! Just imagine if the only thing that was altered color wise on a bud would be the pistils. [Mind blown]

It be helpful to have "side by side" charts. I've got some digging around to do.

 

[crimsonecho]

There are some interesting studies looking at cyanobacteria as biostimulents. I'm interested.... the dosage required is quite small and since spirulina is grown in freshwater, it's easier to avoid heavy metal contamination that is common in brown seaweeds. Of course, finding clean spirulina can be a challenge, but there are a few reliable suppliers out there. I think I might start experimenting with dosages. I love how water soluble the blue pigment in it is (phycocyanin.) Put a teaspoon of spirulina in a clear glass of water and stir it up really well, then come back 30 min later and it has gone from murky swamp water to crystal clear blue water.

yeah it looks go good i wanna drink it as i mix it but the cup is dirty lol

 

[crimsonecho]

For sure. I like the idea of spreading seeds random places during a hike. You would have to be critical of the specific area. I'm no scientist but I'd assume minerals and nutrients leach downward in a rough, rippled terrain. Water always takes the path of least resistance, so say for example, the base of a hill. A nice sunny spot, but clearly the idea place due to companion plants and water deposits. I would think that would be a highly mineralized, loamy soil.

So, I'm a little conflicted in regards to spirulina over Aloe Vera. I've been using Aloe for the better part of a decade and the only significant differences are NPK. Also I don't think you could foliar with spirulina unless it was further converted by microbials. From what I can tell, the blue/green color of the water is purely pigmentation, all the good shit is in the sediment.
I'm not confident, but this is just a logical hypothesis.

even if its a shitty location the plant will pull all it can which when composted boom cannabis specific compost but yeah nice rich soil wpuld be best

aloe is good too its great even this is just another thing just diversity in soil i wouldnt stop using aloe either thats another superfood kinda

but it seems the pigment was also benefical for lettuce atleast

gonna drop a link

What's your opinion on the benifit of the pigment. Is it possible for cannabis to mask its own pigments and adopt the blue from the spirulina?
I've heard of people using food coloring in their water regimen. I've never personally done it. You can always tell a dye from natural pigment and nature nailed it first.

Phycocyanin is an incredible natural pigment, I just love the color. My other favorite natural blue pigment is from the Butterfly Pea flower, which, if you've tried that sweet blue tea at Thai restaurants, is responsible for that color. I have no idea if the pigment itself has any impact, but it's an extremely potent antioxidant and highly bioactive in the human body, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is the component affecting plant growth.

link to lettuce study

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202011.0354/v1/download

 

[McShnutz]

Well that's it then. There's the science that backs it. The problem we have though, is obtaining PSRE, specifically the (E). That's some pretty pricey instruments they're using.
I wonder if a bacterial fermentation would accomplish a similar comparison. Technically it would be an Extract and could be rendered shelf stable by supersaturating with sucrose.

 

[crimsonecho]

Well that's it then. There's the science that backs it. The problem we have though, is obtaining PSRE, specifically the (E). That's some pretty pricey instruments they're using.
I wonder if a bacterial fermentation would accomplish a similar comparison. Technically it would be an Extract and could be rendered shelf stable by supersaturating with sucrose.

i think they use an extract because its hydro, in organic soil you wouldnt need the extract but this trial shows that even an extract mostly just focused on the pigment itself helps with growth, taste and shelf life in lettuce. cannabis is not lettuce of course but i fail to see how it would hurt either

plus i think stuff like fpe and stuff probably would breakdown the molecules into basic nutrients so maybe fresh is better just like with aloe

 

[McShnutz]

i think they use an extract because its hydro, in organic soil you wouldnt need the extract but this trial shows that even an extract mostly just focused on the pigment itself helps with growth, taste and shelf life in lettuce. cannabis is not lettuce of course but i fail to see how it would hurt either

plus i think stuff like fpe and stuff probably would breakdown the molecules into basic nutrients so maybe fresh is better just like with aloe

The cyanobacteria are a essential in this as well. I foliar my plants with EM1 and Microbe Life's PHOTOSYNTHESIS PLUS. aside from the horde of the common microbes, purple sulfur bacteria is the main benefit I'm after by purchasing photo+. The bacteria allow the plant to utilize wavelength for chlorophyll A and B outside the peak range. So basically more of the "full spectrum" is usable, higher photosynthesis. More glucose production!!

I must combine cyano with photosynthetic now!! Im very confident theyll work together! Holy shit balls!!! I can't believe I'm just now putting A into B. I will be doing a side by side to have my confirmation. I have 20gallon fabrics I've been aging for about 1 Season now.

 

[McShnutz]

 

[crimsonecho]

The cyanobacteria are a essential in this as well. I foliar my plants with EM1 and Microbe Life's PHOTOSYNTHESIS PLUS. aside from the horde of the common microbes, purple sulfur bacteria is the main benefit I'm after by purchasing photo+. The bacteria allow the plant to utilize wavelength for chlorophyll A and B outside the peak range. So basically more of the "full spectrum" is usable, higher photosynthesis. More glucose production!!

I must combine cyano with photosynthetic now!! Im very confident theyll work together! Holy shit balls!!! I can't believe I'm just now putting A into B. I will be doing a side by side to have my confirmation. I have 20gallon fabrics I've been aging for about 1 Season now.

yeah i think thats one other benefit you’d get from foliar but do you need a live culture or just the pigments i don’t know which enters the chloro and does what tho i think the article i posted mentioned something on that. anyway yeah thats another benefit with foliar cyanobacteria can be useful like that too. really would love to see side by side from same clone with adjusted feed and final tally of the vegetation, bud weight, root mass etc but lazy lazy lazy rofl

if i could find live culture around me that would be me shooting this video
i would just do something like 5-10lt and see. maybe hang it in my tent, use the wasted light energy and just dump it out when ready on a mesh screen and repeat the process.

 

[Budzbuddha]

What about liquid chlorophyll?

works wonders to detox your body just makes you shit a lot.

 

[McShnutz]

yeah i think thats one other benefit you’d get from foliar but do you need a live culture or just the pigments i don’t know which enters the chloro and does what tho i think the article i posted mentioned something on that. anyway yeah thats another benefit with foliar cyanobacteria can be useful like that too. really would love to see side by side from same clone with adjusted feed and final tally of the vegetation, bud weight, root mass etc but lazy lazy lazy rofl



if i could find live culture around me that would be me shooting this video
i would just do something like 5-10lt and see. maybe hang it in my tent, use the wasted light energy and just dump it out when ready on a mesh screen and repeat the process.

It did mention that both control and treatment were given General Hydroponics Floragrow at 600-700ppm. (18-15-36) @pH 6.0

Only one control was given in addition to the standard hydroponic nutrient, PSRE (pigment/biostimulant) @125mg/L, weekly.
PSRE is a protein extraction by means of precipitation. Then collected.

Cyanobacterial components of blue-green algae into plant chloroplasts increases the photosynthetic efficiency.

Like I said before, dude I'm SOLD! I know what purple sulfur bacteria do for my garden, and also know that it's all about the proteins! I happen to brew beer, 20gal at a time, however I have some 5gal carboys from when I started brewing, just collecting dust in the basement. I just need to track down a superior strain of spirulina.

I will till a "no-till" bed to ammend once I collect enough material. Watering it in is beneficial when a PSRE is in use, but I'm going to skip the extract part. Air dry and incorporate into substrate.

 

[crimsonecho]

What about liquid chlorophyll?

works wonders to detox your body just makes you shit a lot.

never used the stuff i don’t really know what it does was just curious about spirulina. did you ever try it on your plants?

 

[crimsonecho]

It did mention that both control and treatment were given General Hydroponics Floragrow at 600-700ppm. (18-15-36) @pH 6.0

Only one control was given in addition to the standard hydroponic nutrient, PSRE (pigment/biostimulant) @125mg/L, weekly.
PSRE is a protein extraction by means of precipitation. Then collected.

Cyanobacterial components of blue-green algae into plant chloroplasts increases the photosynthetic efficiency.

Like I said before, dude I'm SOLD! I know what purple sulfur bacteria do for my garden, and also know that it's all about the proteins! I happen to brew beer, 20gal at a time, however I have some 5gal carboys from when I started brewing, just collecting dust in the basement. I just need to track down a superior strain of spirulina.

I will till a "no-till" bed to ammend once I collect enough material. Watering it in is beneficial when a PSRE is in use, but I'm going to skip the extract part. Air dry and incorporate into substrate.

i think thats the best way to do it also watering it in with feed or teas should work well too to keep the aminos and stuff intact. but even without extraction plants should benefit from the pigments unlike hydro i don’t have to worry about anaerobic conditions or clogged lines etc. i think the only reason they went to all that trouble of doing an extract was to use it in hydro (plus they were interested in the effects of phycocyanin mostly lol). the same stuff that is in the extract is in the spirulina already so if roots can pull it out of a nutrient solution they would be able to pull it from the soil probably.

amending freshly dried spirulina and watering it in with feed are the best options imo. i wouldn’t let it compost for example because at that point its just gonna break down into its very basic elements like npk, ca, mg, s etc etc. the complex molecules that work as a biostimulant would just vanish. topdressing and watering it in, definitely the best way as i see it.

would love to see the spirulina rig by the way please do post pics when you get it running

 

[McShnutz]

i think thats the best way to do it also watering it in with feed or teas should work well too to keep the aminos and stuff intact. but even without extraction plants should benefit from the pigments unlike hydro i don’t have to worry about anaerobic conditions or clogged lines etc. i think the only reason they went to all that trouble of doing an extract was to use it in hydro (plus they were interested in the effects of phycocyanin mostly lol). the same stuff that is in the extract is in the spirulina already so if roots can pull it out of a nutrient solution they would be able to pull it from the soil probably.

amending freshly dried spirulina and watering it in with feed are the best options imo. i wouldn’t let it compost for example because at that point its just gonna break down into its very basic elements like npk, ca, mg, s etc etc. the complex molecules that work as a biostimulant would just vanish. topdressing and watering it in, definitely the best way as i see it.

would love to see the spirulina rig by the way please do post pics when you get it running

Completely agree!!

I'll definitely post it up. I have everything except the master culture.

 

[Rurumo]

I've decided to skip kelp extracts for my next round and try spirulina in its place. Before I start, I'll be going back over the amounts used in all of these studies to try to determine a dry quantity to add per gallon of water-this will be in coco drain to waste. I already take spirulina in bulk powder form, so it's kind of nice not to have to place an order to try this out. It doesn't seem like many here have tried spirulina, but if you have, please let me know how much you used per gallon.

 

[crimsonecho]

I've decided to skip kelp extracts for my next round and try spirulina in its place. Before I start, I'll be going back over the amounts used in all of these studies to try to determine a dry quantity to add per gallon of water-this will be in coco drain to waste. I already take spirulina in bulk powder form, so it's kind of nice not to have to place an order to try this out. It doesn't seem like many here have tried spirulina, but if you have, please let me know how much you used per gallon.

great keep us posted please i noticed one of my heavy sativas started forming a foxtailish growth maybe due to high N but the other sativas seem ok no foxtailing so maybe its not the spirulina but something else, i topdressed them too so not sure on that. still its not a very serious foxtail just some tiny leaves and stuff.

 

[Funkentelechy]

Not spirulina but it is algae, thought it was interesting.
https://www.arbico-organics.com/category/alga-energy-sustainable-microalgae-products?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=

 

[Rurumo]

Not spirulina but it is algae, thought it was interesting.
https://www.arbico-organics.com/category/alga-energy-sustainable-microalgae-products?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=

Some of their products use hydrolyzed algae, for the amino acid content presumably. I like how Arbico grows their algae using captured co2 emissions from a gas power plant in Spain.. I've also noticed a lot of the big players in Agriculture are working on algae based products. Some of the studies on spirulina used hydrolyzed spirulina, while others used a water based extract-it was interesting to see how each of these different products were extremely beneficial, from seed coats to root drenches on adult plants. One study showed that Spirulina treatment "increased a vast array of secondary metabolites", enzymes, hormones, antioxidants, etc. I actually just sprouted my next batch of seeds, and now I wish I'd started them with a spirulina seed coat lol