Need some Guidance for my Autoflowers!

Michi Sama

Michi Sama

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Currently, I'm using soil *Fox farm OF*

the Trio line up of Fox farm minus the Tiger Bloom, just the 2 other bottle of organics

Also have the 3 boosters of Fox farm, the Chaching, BeastieBloomz and Open Sesame

Also using Fox farm Cal-mag and Kangaroots.


I want to add Silica because I've been battling harsh temperatures and also saw Humic/Fulvic acid that aides in Nutrient transportability.

The brand of Silica I'm aiming for is TPS because it's within my budget range and also GH's Fulvic/Humic acid.

Can anyone elaborate if there's something horribly wrong here, or is this something I can incorporate entirely?
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Michi Sama said:
Currently, I'm using soil *Fox farm OF*

the Trio line up of Fox farm minus the Tiger Bloom, just the 2 other bottle of organics

Also have the 3 boosters of Fox farm, the Chaching, BeastieBloomz and Open Sesame

Also using Fox farm Cal-mag and Kangaroots.


I want to add Silica because I've been battling harsh temperatures and also saw Humic/Fulvic acid that aides in Nutrient transportability.

The brand of Silica I'm aiming for is TPS because it's within my budget range and also GH's Fulvic/Humic acid.

Can anyone elaborate if there's something horribly wrong here, or is this something I can incorporate entirely?
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Dont fall for big brand bottle fever. Especially cartoon ones. You're gona end up overfeeding and burning your plant.
Why are you using calmag? Are you using ro water? And even still there's prob more than enough already in the hot mix ff.
Do you have a reliable TDS meter? Any idea of the ec you've been feeding? Or just going by their chart?
 
Michi Sama

Michi Sama

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Jjgrow420 said:
Dont fall for big brand bottle fever. Especially cartoon ones. You're gona end up overfeeding and burning your plant.
Why are you using calmag? Are you using ro water? And even still there's prob more than enough already in the hot mix ff.
Do you have a reliable TDS meter? Any idea of the ec you've been feeding? Or just going by their chart?
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I had these bottles since last year, I tried using Down to Earth and just come running into so many issues. I have TDS meter but just been going by Foxfarm schedule @ 1/4 strength nutes. I do use distilled water which is why I use Cal-mag. I'm contemplating on using Happy Tree Frog after im done with this 2.cu bag of OF. I have the vivosun or the amazon TDS meter, the PH pen i've been taking care of with the conditioning solution so my probe stays good for awhile.
 
Michi Sama

Michi Sama

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Jjgrow420 said:
Dont fall for big brand bottle fever. Especially cartoon ones. You're gona end up overfeeding and burning your plant.
Why are you using calmag? Are you using ro water? And even still there's prob more than enough already in the hot mix ff.
Do you have a reliable TDS meter? Any idea of the ec you've been feeding? Or just going by their chart?
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I heard about Silica and how it helps the plants fight the temps and what not. Than I saw the Humic/Fulvic acids that also aide in the nutrient uptake. Which is why I'm asking if it's somethiung that i can incorporate in my current regiment.
 
Michi Sama

Michi Sama

Member
Jjgrow420 said:
Dont fall for big brand bottle fever. Especially cartoon ones. You're gona end up overfeeding and burning your plant.
Why are you using calmag? Are you using ro water? And even still there's prob more than enough already in the hot mix ff.
Do you have a reliable TDS meter? Any idea of the ec you've been feeding? Or just going by their chart?
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Like I really need some help help. Been doing this for an entire year with really hurt plants. I just want to see one grow to be a good lookin' lady.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Michi Sama said:
I had these bottles since last year, I tried using Down to Earth and just come running into so many issues. I have TDS meter but just been going by Foxfarm schedule @ 1/4 strength nutes. I do use distilled water which is why I use Cal-mag. I'm contemplating on using Happy Tree Frog after im done with this 2.cu bag of OF. I have the vivosun or the amazon TDS meter, the PH pen i've been taking care of with the conditioning solution so my probe stays good for awhile.
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All you need is a good a+b. Or 3 part. Beg to end. Getting into all these bottles really isn't going to help you (less is more). I know it seems like every fix is just a bottle away but it's actually prob just gona do you worse. There's no need to use distilled water unless you live in Flint mich or have super hard well water. If you're super horny on using pure water then get an ro unit and dont mess around buying bottles of water. You know you pay more per gal of that water than you do gasoline (well maybe not now but you know what I'm saying) and it's water. It literally covers more area on the earth than land. And you're paying for it. It falls from the sky...and you're paying for it..... Catch my drift?
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Simplify man. That FF soil blends hot. It got alot of nutes in it. Enough for a solid month prob. I'm not quite sure exactly I dont use the stuff but generally amended soils (for cannabis) will feed for 3-4 weeks respectively. So there's no need to feed anything really at all for the first month.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Michi Sama said:
I heard about Silica and how it helps the plants fight the temps and what not. Than I saw the Humic/Fulvic acids that also aide in the nutrient uptake. Which is why I'm asking if it's somethiung that i can incorporate in my current regiment.
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Yes silica has benefits. It you can overdo things real quick if using what the bottle says. It's really meant to use on water only days or low ec feeds. It's better to use drops of it as ph up. Then you're plants are getting silica with each feed and not too much. Humic and fulvic acids arent any kind of magic sauce. I've read about how using humic acids in excess during flowering can actually decrease thc so I dunno man. Just keep it simple and learn how to feed using ec with a three part or a+b . Even maxibloom or jacks is so simple to use and produces the same end result as any other brand. At the end of the day most 3 parts are just rebranded gh flora anyways.
You're running into issues because you're adding too many things that your plant isn't using up into the medium. Then you get lockout and ph swings.
 
Michi Sama

Michi Sama

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Jjgrow420 said:
All you need is a good a+b. Or 3 part. Beg to end. Getting into all these bottles really isn't going to help you (less is more). I know it seems like every fix is just a bottle away but it's actually prob just gona do you worse. There's no need to use distilled water unless you live in Flint mich or have super hard well water. If you're super horny on using pure water then get an ro unit and dont mess around buying bottles of water. You know you pay more per gal of that water than you do gasoline (well maybe not now but you know what I'm saying) and it's water. It literally covers more area on the earth than land. And you're paying for it. It falls from the sky...and you're paying for it..... Catch my drift?
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I just have a hard on for distilled, more of a preference for now. Also where I’m at isn’t optimal and rather not invest in an ro system yet.

I was looking at purchasing another 2 to 3 part that’s not foxfarm atleast or just continue with what I currently have. Just looking for supplements to what I currently have. But it’s become a lot harder to find a source of information I can stick too.
 
Michi Sama

Michi Sama

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Jjgrow420 said:
Yes silica has benefits. It you can overdo things real quick if using what the bottle says. It's really meant to use on water only days or low ec feeds. It's better to use drops of it as ph up. Then you're plants are getting silica with each feed and not too much. Humic and fulvic acids arent any kind of magic sauce. I've read about how using humic acids in excess during flowering can actually decrease thc so I dunno man. Just keep it simple and learn how to feed using ec with a three part or a+b . Even maxibloom or jacks is so simple to use and produces the same end result as any other brand. At the end of the day most 3 parts are just rebranded gh flora anyways.
You're running into issues because you're adding too many things that your plant isn't using up into the medium. Then you get lockout and ph swings.
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Imma look into that and that’s exactly what I needed to hear. I heard the silica can be used as a ph up as the humid can serve as a ph down. But would you reccommend the basic 2 to 3 part gh for soil?
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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Michi Sama said:
I had these bottles since last year, I tried using Down to Earth and just come running into so many issues. I have TDS meter but just been going by Foxfarm schedule @ 1/4 strength nutes. I do use distilled water which is why I use Cal-mag. I'm contemplating on using Happy Tree Frog after im done with this 2.cu bag of OF. I have the vivosun or the amazon TDS meter, the PH pen i've been taking care of with the conditioning solution so my probe stays good for awhile.
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K so I'll tell you what I would do if I were you. I'm not telling you what to do that's your own journey to travel.
I'd throw out that fox farms 1st. Or use it on my flowers in the planter box
I'd get some promix hp or sunshine mix #4
I'd buy a reliable meter like bluelab or Hanna
I'd buy maxibloom, silica armoursi, and ph down.
I'd learn about the 'lucas formula' and ec levels for size/stage of plants.
And I'd feed no more than 1.4 ec at anytime during the grow.
If you do this, you will harvest weed.
Then once you've got a grip on wtf you're doing you can try some other shit if ya like.
Hope this helps you get some smoke.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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FF “ TRIO “ is basically a 2 part ( GRO big and Tiger bloom ) with “ Big Bloom “ labeled falsely in its job.

The only organic is the big bloom BTW is for micronutrient support of your medium …. That’s it.
It is NOT A BLOOM FEED alone .

The other trio of “ supplements “ are designed mostly to separate the unknowing from their cash as is any of the other BS bottles.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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If you gotta use FF nutes - let the Ocean Forest do most of the initial feed …. alone. It is highly nute dense right from the bag , especially for autoflowers ( done a whole thread on this ). Most autos will finish within 100 days ( + or minus ) so complicated , multi-bottled this and that is unnecessary.

Believe it or not … that soil will carry an auto all the way to finish. Plus no BS fancy distilled or RO water , unicorn pee or MAGA tears.
When I used it , straight municipal tap water was fine. I have 7.8 PH and 288 ppm city water ( hard ass water ) now it’s creeping higher but all I do is “ range “ it closer to plant ph / medium ( 6.5 - 6.8 ) to allow mediums buffering to last longer. Most municipal water sources have adequate Calcium and Magnesium So extra bottles may not be need there either.

Plus , OF is so nute dense you can aerate a cheesecloth bag of the soil to make a soil drench tea.
This helps over the weeks as main medium begins to exhaust.
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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oh and before I forget ….. DISREGARD Fox Farms feeding schedule unless you want torched plants.
‘Their EC / PPM amounts are crazy high.

Most strains can tolerate OF upfront but some plants get nute burn UNTIL it acclimates. Autos will acclimate to it over time.
Just don’t compound the issue by adding more nutes into equation. Sometimes I had to use a 50/50 mix of mild potting with OF just to temper it.

Most growers here will agree after this run , you will probably kick FF to curb in future grows.
I pretty much did but try to help those that bought it n
 
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