Quick question about SST

mudballs

mudballs

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no, all seeds make the same enzymes, hormones, etc. at germination. The only diff is ease of human use. Nobody is gonna use carrot seeds cuz they're stupid tiny small, but they produce the exact same stuff their bigger brothers make.
 
Budz.Bunny

Budz.Bunny

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I have some left over cover crop and was going to use that...but I always see people using alfalfa or mung or blue corn etc etc
 
2cent

2cent

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mudballs said:
no, all seeds make the same enzymes, hormones, etc. at germination. The only diff is ease of human use. Nobody is gonna use carrot seeds cuz they're stupid tiny small, but they produce the exact same stuff their bigger brothers make.
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Not true
Alfalfa seeds contain higher levels or trianacol hormone while barley and corn have a lot more other
Alfalfa, Heirloom Corn and Barley are the only ones I've tried. I would consider that alternating alfalfa and barley with intermittent watering of coconut water/water mixture at a ratio of 1/4 cup C-h20 x gallon H2O if using fresh coconut water.

One of the reasons people use corn instead of (IMO) easier to sprout seeds is because of its high cytokinins. But, the same if not higher levels of cytokinins can be found in coconut water, so it's really a different strokes type deal of getting to the same result.

Alfalfa and barley mix is my preferred for veg. It takes a little planing to get them to sprout at the same time, but combining them gives a rich enzyme profile, PGR's, and the lovely triacontanol. An interesting study for triacontanol can be found here in a 1982 journal of American rhododendron society paper. Granted it's written specifically for its use on rats and rhododendron, its benefits apply to a great deal of flowering plants from cannabis to roses.

Alfalfa SST foliars cut to a ratio of 1 part water to 3 parts SST with an added 1/8t of AgSil 16 and 1/4t of hydrated puree'd kelp can greatly enhance budset, inter-nodal shortening and overall vigor if the plant if applied twice weekly in the first two weeks of flower as the lights go off. Just make sure to not go too far into the budding cycles or go too hard on the kelp as the gibberellins in it and triacontanol in the alfalfa can lead to stretching and foxtailing in otherwise dense structures in sensitive cultivars or if over-applied IME.

Alfalfa (Medicago sativa)
Rich in enzymes, vitamins, proteins and, most importantly, triacontanol, a potent growth-boosting plant hormone which increases photosynthesis by raising chlorophyll levels, increasing root mass, alfalfa seed sprout tea is a powerful plant stimulant that's perfect for the transition into flowering, when it helps to maintain close internode spacing and increase root mass. It can also be used in combination with Corn SST during vegetative growth and flowering as a general growth booster. More care must be taken with alfalfa as it is very powerful indeed and we recommend to either start the process with half the amount of seeds or to dilute in double the quantity of water before application.
Alfalfa sprouts are rich in triacontanol
Alfalfa sprouts are rich in triacontanol

Corn (Zea mays)
Corn or maize sprouts are high in enzymes, minerals and nutrients, and also very rich in cytokinins, a plant growth hormone which promotes lateral budding, branching and the development of thicker stems leading to improved nutrient transport and the capacity for heavier crops. It can even be used at twice the strength to control height, resulting in really squat, bushy plants, perfect for growing spaces with reduced headroom. Organic sweetcorn grains are the most common source of corn to use for sprouting, but all maize grains are easy to germinate and some growers even seek out heirloom varieties like Blue Corn to ensure their SST is GMO-free. Corn SST is best applied in late vegetative growth and up to the fourth or fifth week of flowering.

Lentils (Lens culinaris or Lens esculenta) and other legumes
While alfalfa is, in fact, a legume, here we're talking about other legumes, not only lentils but also larger seeds such as peas, beans or chickpeas. The sprouts of these seeds contain high concentrations of auxins, producing an SST that makes a great rooting stimulant as well as working to boost growth in general. Lentils are a great choice because, due to their relatively small size, they will germinate faster than the larger legumes.
These are the most commonly used seeds for making SSTs, but it doesn't mean that other types of seed won't work equally worth experimenting with. For example, an SST using sprouted hemp seeds ought to be an excellent growth booster for cannabis plants, while sunflower seeds are well known to be high inphytohormones, and many others such as rice, fenugreek, pumpkin have been recommended as well.
 
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mudballs

mudballs

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2cent said:
Not true
Alfalfa seeds contain higher levels or trianacol hormone while barley and corn have a lot more other
Alfalfa, Heirloom Corn and Barley are the only ones I've tried. I would consider that alternating alfalfa and barley with intermittent watering of coconut water/water mixture at a ratio of 1/4 cup C-h20 x gallon H2O if using fresh coconut water.

One of the reasons people use corn instead of (IMO) easier to sprout seeds is because of its high cytokinins. But, the same if not higher levels of cytokinins can be found in coconut water, so it's really a different strokes type deal of getting to the same result.

Alfalfa and barley mix is my preferred for veg. It takes a little planing to get them to sprout at the same time, but combining them gives a rich enzyme profile, PGR's, and the lovely triacontanol. An interesting study for triacontanol can be found here in a 1982 journal of American rhododendron society paper. Granted it's written specifically for its use on rats and rhododendron, its benefits apply to a great deal of flowering plants from cannabis to roses.

Alfalfa SST foliars cut to a ratio of 1 part water to 3 parts SST with an added 1/8t of AgSil 16 and 1/4t of hydrated puree'd kelp can greatly enhance budset, inter-nodal shortening and overall vigor if the plant if applied twice weekly in the first two weeks of flower as the lights go off. Just make sure to not go too far into the budding cycles or go too hard on the kelp as the gibberellins in it and triacontanol in the alfalfa can lead to stretching and foxtailing in otherwise dense structures in sensitive cultivars or if over-applied IME.

Alfalfa (Medicago sativa)
Rich in enzymes, vitamins, proteins and, most importantly, triacontanol, a potent growth-boosting plant hormone which increases photosynthesis by raising chlorophyll levels, increasing root mass, alfalfa seed sprout tea is a powerful plant stimulant that's perfect for the transition into flowering, when it helps to maintain close internode spacing and increase root mass. It can also be used in combination with Corn SST during vegetative growth and flowering as a general growth booster. More care must be taken with alfalfa as it is very powerful indeed and we recommend to either start the process with half the amount of seeds or to dilute in double the quantity of water before application.
Alfalfa prouts are rich in triacontanol

Corn (Zea mays)
Corn or maize sprouts are high in enzymes, minerals and nutrients, and also very rich in cytokinins, a plant growth hormone which promotes lateral budding, branching and the development of thicker stems leading to improved nutrient transport and the capacity for heavier crops. It can even be used at twice the strength to control height, resulting in really squat, bushy plants, perfect for growing spaces with reduced headroom. Organic sweetcorn grains are the most common source of corn to use for sprouting, but all maize grains are easy to germinate and some growers even seek out heirloom varieties like Blue Corn to ensure their SST is GMO-free. Corn SST is best applied in late vegetative growth and up to the fourth or fifth week of flowering.

Lentils (Lens culinaris or Lens esculenta) and other legumes
While alfalfa is, in fact, a legume, here we're talking about other legumes, not only lentils but also larger seeds such as peas, beans or chickpeas. The sprouts of these seeds contain high concentrations of auxins, producing an SST that makes a great rooting stimulant as well as working to boost growth in general. Lentils are a great choice because, due to their relatively small size, they will germinate faster than the larger legumes.
These are the most commonly used seeds for making SSTs, but it doesn't mean that other types of seed won't work equally worth experimenting with. For example, an SST using sprouted hemp seeds ought to be an excellent growth booster for cannabis plants, while sunflower seeds are well known to be high inphytohormones, and many others such as rice, fenugreek, pumpkin have been recommended as well.
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ok i said all seeds make the same enzymes, hormones....want proof?
mudballs said:
no, all seeds make the same enzymes, hormones, etc. at germination. The only diff is ease of human use. Nobody is gonna use carrot seeds cuz they're stupid tiny small, but they produce the exact same stuff their bigger brothers make.
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i did not say a certain species of seeds makes more of one thing or less than other species....did i?
bioassay and gas chromatography is needed for you to empirically state your stuff.

I'm guessing this is the part you felt a need to do this
The only diff is ease of human use.
so i'll go off this. do you have bioassays of lentils, alfalfa, corn, etc. ? yeah i didn't think so....but i can prove my carrot seeds produce the same hormones as alfalfa, or lentil...wanna see?
metabolic processes during seed germination
https://www.intechopen.com/books/advances-in-seed-biology/metabolic-processes-during-seed-germination
there's also sprout proteases that literally eat the seeds proteins
but i don't think we should go there (edit, this i think is a source for seeds going dud after sprouting)
but yeah sure, you may get more cytokinin from corn seeds. lol, like a laughable amount more.
 
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2cent

2cent

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mudballs said:
ok i said all seeds make the same enzymes, hormones....want proof?

i did not say a certain species of seeds makes more of one thing or less than other species....did i?
bioassay and gas chromatography is needed for you to empirically state your stuff.

I'm guessing this is the part you felt a need to do this
The only diff is ease of human use.
so i'll go off this. do you have bioassays of lentils, alfalfa, corn, etc. ? yeah i didn't think so....but i can prove my carrot seeds produce the same hormones as alfalfa, or lentil...wanna see?
metabolic processes during seed germination
https://www.intechopen.com/books/advances-in-seed-biology/metabolic-processes-during-seed-germination
there's also sprout proteases that literally eat the seeds proteins
but i don't think we should go there (edit, this i think is a source for seeds going dud after sprouting)
but yeah sure, you may get more cytokinin from corn seeds. lol, like a laughable amount more.
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Your wrong lol I obviously hit a nerve I wasn’t having ago I was trying to educate I’m on phone atm yes I can show u study’s in the mornin if u want ask shits been published so many times it’s unreal and just cause there isn’t tonnes of it doesn’t mean that little amount is discountable for instance you even know how much of a hormone or nutrient is actually in a bottle lol? 1l bottle without water is like a teaspoon in fert and hormones etc ur talkin drops not gallons not even ml it’s not the quantity it’s the ratio just like ca mg balances a little goes along away
But hey no worries I think what I like and ignore all published findings on sst lol

but plus side cool non official study on seeds good read but u musta misread if u found anywhere saying all seeds are the same and different dosages all do the same thing

I wouldn’t have done my own side by sides to control stretch usingsst no defo not same strain same room almost 2 foot difference but nah I musta had some mushrooms that grow and imagined the result then used it for years since to control plant responses to stretch indices and slow sativas successfully to grow same heights nah I gues illstop Cause you said it’s wrong lol

didn’t mean to upset u did I undo hours or reading you didn’t like ? Sorry man that’s called research ur on a forum ur Gina learn new everyday even things u set in stone for years man get used to it most peeps would be like wow nice info il try it out or go google
U act like ur in denial and realised I been preaching wrong info and ur buddies all laughing at ya
You double haves and boosted up by any chance ? Seems to be a trait they have atm aggression for unseen reasons
 
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