Climate in the 21st Century

[nuskool89]

Eastern Antarctica is 70f above it's normal temp.

I read that article as well. They have less than a century of data to go off and that particular weather event is an anomaly that may be common over the span of hundreds/thousands of years (the atmospheric river.) You should really link the article for context. It’s not doom and gloom. Now pollution finding its way to the Antarctic is something I really worry about. We’re fucking up our oceans, and by we I mean humans

 

[Fogdog]

Why did you trigger so hard on a simple reported observation, @nuskool89 ?

Eastern Antarctica is 70f above it's normal temp.

 

[nuskool89]

Why did you trigger so hard on a simple reported observation, @nuskool89 ?

Eastern Antarctica is 70f above it's normal temp.

Arctic sea ice is the second highest it’s been in 18 years

I’ll just leave that sentence there with zero context. See how that goes both ways? The why matters. You’re clearly the one triggered as I wasn’t speaking to you, and you felt the need to interject, in response to said triggering.

 

[Fogdog]

Arctic sea ice is the second highest it’s been in 18 years

I’ll just leave that sentence there with zero context. See how that goes both ways? The why matters. You’re clearly the one triggered as I wasn’t speaking to you, and you felt the need to interject, in response to said triggering.

What is the significance of Arctic sea ice being the second highest it's been in 18 years? What does that mean to you?

 

[hanimmal]

Arctic sea ice is the second highest it’s been in 18 years

I’ll just leave that sentence there with zero context. See how that goes both ways? The why matters. You’re clearly the one triggered as I wasn’t speaking to you, and you felt the need to interject, in response to said triggering.

That is a cherry picked range?

'70 degrees above the average temp' is not really a cherry picked range since it is the entire average.

 

[nuskool89]

That is a cherry picked range?

'70 degrees above the average temp' is not really a cherry picked range since it is the entire average.

my point is

The Antarctic 70 degrees above normal (edit: eastern Antarctica)

Isn’t climate change or “climate in the 21st century,” based off of the information given in the article. There are many other pieces of data and studies to cite that would better suit the discussion or support climate change claims.

from the article quote:

“Both Lazzara and Meier said what happened in Antarctica is probably just a random weather event and not a sign of climate change.”

 

[cannabineer]

my point is

The Antarctic 70 degrees above normal

Isn’t climate change or “climate in the 21st century,” based off of the information given in the article. There are many other pieces of data and studies to cite that would better suit the discussion or support climate change claims.

from the article quote:

“Both Lazzara and Meier said what happened in Antarctica is probably just a random weather event and not a sign of climate change.”

Omitting their adverb in your paraphrase is dishonest. It generates an impression of fact when there is only guesswork.

 

[hanimmal]

my point is

The Antarctic 70 degrees above normal

Isn’t climate change or “climate in the 21st century,” based off of the information given in the article. There are many other pieces of data and studies to cite that would better suit the discussion or support climate change claims.

from the article quote:

“Both Lazzara and Meier said what happened in Antarctica is probably just a random weather event and not a sign of climate change.”

No individual point in time is ever anything but random.

But really at this point is there any reason to naysay about all the evidence that is very clearly showing our abuse of the planet has seriously screwed it up? I may not agree with everything that you say, or maybe even most of it, but you never seemed entirely irrational. We really need to do things far cleaner than we have been. All the pollution (land sea and sky) is and has been way out of hand, and the little 'nuh-uh's that people are triggered into when they want to nitpick this fact is just more noise.

 

[nuskool89]

Omitting their adverb in your paraphrase is dishonest. It generates an impression of fact when there is only guesswork.

you mean eastern Antarctica? That wasn’t intentional and if anything solidifies it being a weather anomaly even more as other parts of the Antarctic are not experiencing the event

 

[nuskool89]

No individual point in time is ever anything but random.

But really at this point is there any reason to naysay about all the evidence that is very clearly showing our abuse of the planet has seriously screwed it up? I may not agree with everything that you say, or maybe even most of it, but you never seemed entirely irrational. We really need to do things far cleaner than we have been. All the pollution (land sea and sky) is and has been way out of hand, and the little 'nuh-uh's that people are triggered into when they want to nitpick this fact is just more noise.

Guys, practice what you preach. Relax. Anytime someone just says a statement without context in here 5 people blow up at that person asking for links, websites, graphs, charts, etc. I merely suggested the article be linked and that that particular headline isn’t the whole story. I read it in full this morning so it’s fresh on the mind. I saw the post and responded to it. It’s not an attack or meant to be a me vs him

 

[hanimmal]

Guys, practice what you preach. Relax. Anytime someone just says a statement without context in here 5 people blow up at that person asking for links, websites, graphs, charts, etc. I merely suggested the article be linked and that that particular headline isn’t the whole story. I read it in full this morning so it’s fresh on the mind. I saw the post and responded to it. It’s not an attack or meant to be a me vs him

You lost me at 'practice what you preach'.

I was pointing out the cherry picking, not really anything new for me, and something I actively try hard to not do.

 

[cannabineer]

you mean eastern Antarctica? That wasn’t intentional and if anything solidifies it being a weather anomaly even more as other parts of the Antarctic are not experiencing the event

Eastern is not an adverb. Fail.
I showed you what omitting the adverb distorts. You should be able to figure it out from context. This provides insight into your thought process.

 

[nuskool89]

Eastern is not an adverb. Fail.
I showed you what omitting the adverb distorts. You should be able to figure it out from context. This provides insight into your thought process.

I’m sorry man you’re right I glazed over that. You mean those two from the article saying “probably.”

 

[cannabineer]

I’m sorry man you’re right I glazed over that. You mean those two from the article saying “probably.”

Yes. This makes it an educated but still wild guess. “Probably” is how academics admit complete uncertainty.

 

[Fogdog]

my point is

The Antarctic 70 degrees above normal

Isn’t climate change or “climate in the 21st century,” based off of the information given in the article. There are many other pieces of data and studies to cite that would better suit the discussion or support climate change claims.

from the article quote:

“Both Lazzara and Meier said what happened in Antarctica is probably just a random weather event and not a sign of climate change.”

Yes, yes, you found one sentence in a report that you could get behind.

By itself, the high temperature found in what is typically the coldest place on earth isn't significant. It is notable, it catches people's attention, which is why the media loves it and why it apparently irritated you enough to respond to Morgan's post. The authors make it clear that the event was outside of what they expected could happen. To them, it's a head scratcher. The event told the scientists they have something unexpected to figure out. Once they do, then they will have a better understanding and better modeling capability. That's how much of science advances.

So, the 70 F upward swing in temperature doesn't prove Antarctica's climate is changing. We don't really need to prove that from one measurement. We have much more than one data point to show that Antarctica's climate is getting warmer along with the rest of the globe due to burning fossil fuels. This is settled science.

"but the arctic sea ice" lulz

 

[cannabineer]

Yes, yes, you found one sentence in a report that you could get behind.

By itself, the high temperature found in what is typically the coldest place on earth isn't significant. It is notable, it catches people's attention, which is why the media loves it and why it apparently irritated you enough to respond to Morgan's post. The authors make it clear that the event was outside of what they expected could happen. To them, it's a head scratcher. The event told the scientists they have something unexpected to figure out. Once they do, then they will have a better understanding and better modeling capability. That's how much of science advances.

So, the 70 F upward swing in temperature doesn't prove Antarctica's climate is changing. We don't really need to prove that from one measurement. We have much more than one data point to show that Antarctica's climate is getting warmer along with the rest of the globe due to burning fossil fuels. This is settled science.

"but the arctic sea ice" lulz

Google didn’t push this story my way so I looked it up. The good news is that the anomalous temps were still below or at freezing.

 

[captainmorgan]

Texas is on fire, storms expected with high winds but rain isn't certain, this could get much worse and it's already the largest ever in the state.

 

[injinji]

Texas is on fire, storms expected with high winds but rain isn't certain, this could get much worse and it's already the largest ever in the state.

I heard it had doubled overnight last night. It's already the largest in tx history.

 

[captainmorgan]

Satellite data shows entire Conger ice shelf has collapsed in Antarctica

Nasa scientist says complete collapse of Conger ice shelf during unusually high temperatures is ‘sign of what might be coming’

www.theguardian.com

 

[captainmorgan]

Great Barrier Reef Hit With ‘Grim’ Sixth Mass Bleaching Event

Scientists had hoped a cooler La Niña would give the reef time to recover from previous mass bleachings in 2016, 2017 and 2020.

www.huffpost.com