What's to stop someone from renaming a known strain?

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Years ago, someone on YouTube went out to several dispensaries and bought different brands of "Blue Dream". He then did a review of each one. At the end, he concluded that they were all significantly different. He said that none of them smelled alike or tasted alike when smoked. It got me to thinking about the legitimacy of the strains that are out there. How does anyone really know if they are getting the strain they think they are getting?
 
Two things about that:

Every brand will have a different end result of the same cultivar; the clones I get from my dad turn out slightly different than his, generally speaking I get better yield and he gets better aroma.

To build on the question, what's to stop someone from just slapping another name on someone else's hard work. . ...nothing. It happens quite a bit actually.
 
Names have become meaningless anymore. People call anything whatever they want. There's like 50 different places with White Widow. It's a guarantee that most of them are not descendents of the original. The only thing in common is the name.

I have all kinds of crosses I've made. I can call them White Widow, Blue Dream, Gorilla Glue, or anything I want and pass them around under those names. They might not be authentic but people will still call them whatever name I give them.
 
Boatguy said:
But if we went back to calling them all kind bud, no one could get wealthy doing very little.
At the rate we are going, regular seeds will be a thing of the past with "breeders" hoarding males and only producing fem seeds

fem auto's are a breeder's wet dream.
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Kind bud...you sir are a marksman. Google says it's a slur on Hawaiian "kine"...idk but sounds right to me. I just remem kind bud...yeah i grow kine bud...yeah i grow kind bud. Meh, kine bud would undoubtedly lead to a long arrogant explanation while trying to smoke...going with kind bud lol.
 
There is no doubt that the name alone, certainly doesnt represent what genetics you exactly are getting.

10 years ago eg. I grow a very nice Afghan from Nirvana, a keeper for 5 years until I lost it.

Anyways that and other Afghans I tried back then didnt have sweet taste/smell like the ones I have grown since then.

Eg. an Afghani from Home Grown Fanta Seeds grown by myself was a completly different animal than the Afghan from Nirvana, like day and night.

Some time ago I read a comment here on RIU regarding the taste and flavour of White Widow, claiming this is a sweet strain, all the Widows I have ever grown and had as clones, were not sweet, more dark and earthy in the flavour, no signs of berries anywhere.

Its clear that when you get some smoke and you are told that its so and so, you expect it to be that and when you then later grow seeds of that name, you can get something completly different.

Had a friend 15 years ago, who had a "White Widow" which he was very happy with, at one point I got some of the smoke and could tell him that he had a Haze strain of some sort and not a White Widow.

So I will state, that you cant always be sure, what you get, a name is just that a name
 
One thing that I like about growing is buying authentic strains and being able to tell people what they are for sure. To me names aren't just names, they are titles of pieces of history. Lots of knockoffs and straight up fakes. I remember the old days on concert parking lots when people would just make up names. I always just wanted to see the bud. "All dispensary strains are Blue Dream" was a running joke in Colorado years ago.
 
Where it gets legit tricky is pheno types. When you have two that are completely different, there almost needs to be a name for each. That's where GSC Thin Mint and Forum Cut and ect ect come from. I had a Grumpz pheno that was completely different than the rest, so I started calling it Jurassic Grumpz because it looked prehistoric. I think that's fine as long as you include the original name in whatever you're calling it.
 
I joined seedfinder.eu so i could record what i make. Dude is cool, he follows you on IG after he vettes you...least that was my exp. I just havent made and released anything yet. And i really try to work with people that care as much as i do about pedigree. I love names and naming stuff.
 
Yeah, that's a good point about different phenotypes. Some strains used to be advertised as "clone ONLY" -like GG#4, for example. But I got seeds from several buds of commercial GG#4 over the years. Apparently, it is renowned for throwing 'nanners. I grew one of those rogue seeds...and it turned out pretty good. But, it wasn't GG#4. It was a similar relative, but not an exact copy. And GG#4 has a lineage of a lot of Chemdog in it. Chemdog was also from a bag seed lineage -also known for throwing 'nanners. It doesn't take long before strains that are expected to grow and taste the same, end up being something completely different. And it's not always "grower error" or inexperience that creates the differences. It's in the plant genetics.
 
Interesting subject. I get quite a few emails from quite a few seed sellers and I am amazed at all of the different names given to weed. I question if there can really be so many different varieties. Evidently someone grows out some seed, smokes a bowl and in their stoned mind thinks blueberry or banana or lemon or whatever and then comes up with a name.

I grew out some Hawaiian seeds a while back that were supposed to be sativa dominant but the growth was more indica and so was the high.

I also wonder how accurate the decision is as to whether a strain is indica or sativa dominant.

Check out these links about AK-47 winning both indica and sativa cannabis cup awards in different years. First one is 2nd place Sativa cup award in 1999( https://www.cannabiscupwinners.com/...igh-times-cannabis-cup/cannabis-cup-1999.html) then in 2003 it won 2nd place Indica cup award.(https://www.cannabiscupwinners.com/...igh-times-cannabis-cup/cannabis-cup-2003.html)

Who decided it was sativa one year and then indica another?
 
RottyRzr said:
Interesting subject. I get quite a few emails from quite a few seed sellers and I am amazed at all of the different names given to weed. I question if there can really be so many different varieties. Evidently someone grows out some seed, smokes a bowl and in their stoned mind thinks blueberry or banana or lemon or whatever and then comes up with a name.

I grew out some Hawaiian seeds a while back that were supposed to be sativa dominant but the growth was more indica and so was the high.

I also wonder how accurate the decision is as to whether a strain is indica or sativa dominant.

Check out these links about AK-47 winning both indica and sativa cannabis cup awards in different years. First one is 2nd place Sativa cup award in 1999( https://www.cannabiscupwinners.com/...igh-times-cannabis-cup/cannabis-cup-1999.html) then in 2003 it won 2nd place Indica cup award.(https://www.cannabiscupwinners.com/...igh-times-cannabis-cup/cannabis-cup-2003.html)

Who decided it was sativa one year and then indica another?
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AK-47 is an F1 hybrid meaning the phenos can be indica or sativa leaners
 
I have some Brazilian genetics and some Indian genetics. From all I've gathered that's what was used to make White Widow. I can cross the two and call it White Widow but is it the same?

Many are just recreating strains using similar genetics and giving it the same name. Many are also just making chucks and calling it whatever they want.

What's in a name? Not much these days when it comes to cannabis strains. There is quite a bit of good weed to grow out there. Just grow something you like and don't worry about the name. Chasing and hunting for some legendary strain is a fool's errand.
 
does it even matter at this point? unless the strain is a true landrace named after the region it came from, names exist for looking good in a catalogue before you buy it. Nobody in the world could trace its genetic line back to the original wild plants it came from, and even if they could, what would it say about the bud in your hand that smoking it couldn't? What's in a name? A bud by any other name would smell as dank :hump:

Like other people said, two seed dealers can sell something called "Banana-Diesel-Runtz Kush Herrer OG #4 Haze" and they aren't gonna be the same. If you're lucky they could be similar, but so could something with an entirely different name and alleged lineage. What's in a name?

some guy named joe trying to sell me "blue dream" and swearing it's the real thing is like someone trying to sell me the "real" acapulco gold or the "real" thai stick or "real" columbian uncut cocaine. All that tells me is you have blue dream by some guy named joe. Maybe I'll like it maybe I wont. Maybe it will be reminiscent of the legends I've been told, or of the little description on the back of the seed pack. As long as joe sells the same product each time, I can know what to expect when I get joe's blue dream. That doesn't say jack about some dude named mark or what he calls blue dream, or punto rojo, or pure unstomped columbian that's totally not laced with fent, and I'd be stupid to expect it to. Or dead, possibly.

Maybe someday we'll have the same copyrights and intellectual property rules as real agriculture does to make sure every strain has a name a place and an owner, and then we can all enjoy getting sued by Monsanto for millions of dollars because we dared to "steal" their patent protected Roundup OG™ when they came to the edge of our farm, dumped pollen in the air and seeded all our plants.
 
Original breeder should have a description on what the strain is supposed to represent. That’s what I go off of. If it’s not the same colors and flavor and buzz. Counterfeit
 
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