Thug pug genetics anyone?

trichomechaser420

trichomechaser420

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I'd like to have a discussion concerning the Mule Fuel that Gromer released quite a while back and the integrity of the GMO used.

The lineage was stated GMO x Mendo Montage.

However, when I ran some of the beans my phenos didn't seem to represent what I expected to find. I had a distinctively OGKB pheno, along with one that appeared similar in colour to GMO, but otherwise lacked any other distinct GMO traits.

I started to speak to others who ran it and mostly got told of relatively small yielding plants with various funky terps. When I started running through photos I wasn't seeing the GMO pistil pushing, I wasn't seeing GMO flowering times, nor the stench I associate with GMO. There was a funk, sure - but not the GMO funk.

A big red flag to me was when the OGKB expressions appeared not only in my seeds but other growers online. I've run GMO crosses (a fair few packs) and I've never had ogkb expressions. When I spoke to Gromer about it he claimed it was from the GMO side... the GMO uses the Forum Cut though and not the OGKB. And again, you never really see OGKB traits come through in GMO crosses.

I hadn't given it much thought in the past couple years but then I've got a buddy who is going to run the rest of the pack for me, and he found some Mule Fuel phenos online that look a lot like other Chem Cookies phenos. Smaller flower structure, less like the D and more like the GSC.

I feel like the Mule Fuel may not actually use GMO, but instead could be another pheno found from Mamiko's Chem Cookies that Gromer hunted or got given/traded. I even thought it may be a recreation using something like the Chem D x OGKB.

Has anyone here who has hunted Mule Fuel found plants that represent GMO? 80-85 dayers that stack heavy and push pistils through week 11/12?

Would be happy to be shown otherwise, but it does make me curious.

Not to offend the fan boys. But Chem Cookies phenos are regularly incorrectly named as GMO and sold/traded under the name of GMO.
 
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Foxseeds

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OGKB is in anything with cookies and or with mendo purps in it. The duck leaf mutation comes from Purps . Seen csi humboldt talk about it showing up in just Purple Urkle at low rates recently.
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Gromer used GMO in 2 other crosses both I’ve grown Garlic Breath 2.0 I grew had GMO structure and frost id expect.
Unicorn poop f2 I just posted looks like a GMO leaner but finshes fast. The males flower time used in a cross effects the flower time of the offspring more then the females. There’s some hemp papers on that.
 
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trichomechaser420

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Foxseeds said:
OGKB is in anything with cookies and or with mendo purps in it. The duck leaf mutation comes from Purps . Seen csi humboldt talk about it showing up in just Purple Urkle at low rates recently.
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Gromer used GMO in 2 other crosses both I’ve grown Garlic Breath 2.0 I grew had GMO structure and frost id expect.
Unicorn poop f2 I just posted looks like a GMO leaner but finshes fast. The males flower time used in a cross effects the flower time of the offspring more then the females. There’s some hemp papers on that.
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Sure, those leaves definitely show up in Urkle. I'm a big fan of Caleb's work so I do try keep up with what he finds in his S1s

But there's still issues I see, because when I asked Gromer on how often it pops up, he told me it is from the GMO. And I imagine he knows what comes out of his male.

And I just don't buy it coming from the GMO side, unless the GMO isn't legit/or a different Chem Cookies selection. I can't think of a single GMO cross outside of Mule Fuel that I've run where I haven't seen any traits that slightly resemble the GMO. GMO is pretty dominant in crosses.

I think the Garlic Breath and Garlic Breath 2.0 came out afterwards and the expressions with those did seem more true to what I am used to with GMO.

And outside of my own experience, almost everything I've seen online of Mule Fuel looks nothing like GMO. That strikes me as odd. I'd still expect some phenos to represent the mother to a good degree when one looks at such a sample size. Exact same thing with flowering times.

I realize I may be just having a go at nothing, but just from my experience with GMO crosses, it doesn't match up with the others. It could also just be an extremely dominant father, but then just the curiosity of Gromer stating it was from the GMO.
 
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southernsativa

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I've got a pack of original garlic breath here. I'm wondering what the difference is between this and 2.0? Why did he remake it, is there a problem with the originals?
 
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Osage420

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trichomechaser420 said:
Sure, those leaves definitely show up in Urkle. I'm a big fan of Caleb's work so I do try keep up with what he finds in his S1s

But there's still issues I see, because when I asked Gromer on how often it pops up, he told me it is from the GMO. And I imagine he knows what comes out of his male.

And I just don't buy it coming from the GMO side, unless the GMO isn't legit/or a different Chem Cookies selection. I can't think of a single GMO cross outside of Mule Fuel that I've run where I haven't seen any traits that slightly resemble the GMO. GMO is pretty dominant in crosses.

I think the Garlic Breath and Garlic Breath 2.0 came out afterwards and the expressions with those did seem more true to what I am used to with GMO.

And outside of my own experience, almost everything I've seen online of Mule Fuel looks nothing like GMO. That strikes me as odd. I'd still expect some phenos to represent the mother to a good degree when one looks at such a sample size. Exact same thing with flowering times.

I realize I may be just having a go at nothing, but just from my experience with GMO crosses, it doesn't match up with the others. It could also just be an extremely dominant father, but then just the curiosity of Gromer stating it was from the GMO.
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Reading this is worrisome. I soaked a pack of mule fuel and only 3 germinated. Was hoping for the gmo funk in one of my 3 survivors. Guess not. So far stem rubs don't reveal anything like the garlic and onions i was hoping for.
 
DrOgkush

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southernsativa said:
I've got a pack of original garlic breath here. I'm wondering what the difference is between this and 2.0? Why did he remake it, is there a problem with the originals?
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Mine is the 2.0. And I could not answer that question. I bought mine from a clone distributor here In California.
 
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southernsativa

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resinhead said:
Different male used. Same strain different pheno. The reason was to get less runts and mutants.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I take it the mutations come from GMO? I grew GMO Zkittlez once and one was a true tricot from seed and two others turned trileaf after 6 weeks of veg.
 
ManofTREE

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southernsativa said:
Thanks for clearing that up. I take it the mutations come from GMO? I grew GMO Zkittlez once and one was a true tricot from seed and two others turned trileaf after 6 weeks of veg.
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Assuming the gmo cut found by skunkmasterflex was used in both crosses... he's referring to the mendo breath dad (spewely spudright) which was retired and replaced by a new generational male. Mendo breath is mendo montage x ogkb i think. OGKB is your source of mutants most likely, not sure about the gmo x skittles
 
Ma_cultivator

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the real mccoy said:
What is DM #8? Can't find much on it.
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Here’s some photos of one i recently flowered out. It’s really hard to find. I was lucky enough to get my hands on a cut of it through a friend that knows gromer. It’s incredible, but like i said, not much info on i think bc it’s pretty rare.
 

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How are the terps so far on your Peter butter breath?
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It's hard to describe honestly and maybe too early tell the end terps/smells. So far the best way to describe it is earthy and funky so far. The buds seem to be stacking heavy. Here’s another view. Looks like this pheno is taking after the Rabbit Hole Strain imo.
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