BIOBIZZ. Is this too much supplements? NOT nutrients (N,P,K)

kreikrei

kreikrei

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Hey guys.

My question is - besides main nutrients, can you give plants to much supplements?

My first grow - week 7 from seed.
2 sativas - Think different 1 indica - Anesia seeds banana kush
3x3x6 tent and 390w lights (Kingbrite 240w + Mars t1000)
Temperature and humidity are optimal

Main nutrients:

  1. Biobizz grow 1ml/l
  2. Biobizz bloom 1.5-2ml/l
  3. Topmax 0.5-1ml/l
  4. calmag - 0.5-1ml/l (I have about 200ppm tap water)
Supplements:

Activera
Alg-a-mic
blackstarp molasses

I feed every watering.
Is it ok , if also every watering I give listed supplements? (Assuming total ppm is not too much even If I add everything listed here.)

Or maybe some supplements should be NOT given every watering and cycled on/off?

Thanks.
 
kreikrei

kreikrei

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xtsho said:
Yes you can give plants too many supplements/additives. That's one of the reasons so many growers end up with problems. They dump too much stuff on their plants. Many would have better grows if they just stuck to the base nutrients.
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Thanks.


Are there any signsfor too much supplements?
My listed supplement are basically kelp extraxt, sugar (molasses) and aloe vera (activera)

Can thy cause nutrient lockout?
If thy cant cause nutrient lockout, is a good determining factor for supplement use the ppm? As long as there isnt too much ppm, use the supps?
 
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inth3shadowz

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I use one bottle of nutrient...foliage pro. No need for all that BS. You can use a grow nute (no need for bloom) the entire grow and have better results in my experience. The higher N keeps them nice and green throughout flower.
 
kreikrei

kreikrei

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inth3shadowz said:
I use one bottle of nutrient...foliage pro. No need for all that BS. You can use a grow nute (no need for bloom) the entire grow and have better results in my experience. The higher N keeps them nice and green throughout flower.
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But, if I use only grow, the plant wont get and Potassium and Phosphorus....
 
Lenin1917

Lenin1917

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kreikrei said:
Hey guys.

My question is - besides main nutrients, can you give plants to much supplements?

My first grow - week 7 from seed.
2 sativas - Think different 1 indica - Anesia seeds banana kush
3x3x6 tent and 390w lights (Kingbrite 240w + Mars t1000)
Temperature and humidity are optimal

Main nutrients:

  1. Biobizz grow 1ml/l
  2. Biobizz bloom 1.5-2ml/l
  3. Topmax 0.5-1ml/l
  4. calmag - 0.5-1ml/l (I have about 200ppm tap water)
Supplements:

Activera
Alg-a-mic
blackstarp molasses

I feed every watering.
Is it ok , if also every watering I give listed supplements? (Assuming total ppm is not too much even If I add everything listed here.)

Or maybe some supplements should be NOT given every watering and cycled on/off?

Thanks.
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Biobizz is already mostly molasses so you’re being redundant by adding extra. @xtsho is right too take a step back and keep it basic especially if you’re just starting. Realizing it’s just a plant and treating it like one has improved my grow way more than any specially marketed cannabis specific bullshit I tried when I started.
 
kreikrei

kreikrei

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inth3shadowz said:
Bloom nutes are a scam...grow nutes like foliage pro and dyna gro grow etc...even Floranova gro, have perfect ratio for the whole grow.
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I agree that a lot of nutes/supplements are marketing BS

That being said, If I dont use bloom, there is literally no Phosphorus and Potassium in my nutes.. How will the plant survivewithout both of those chemicals?
 
kreikrei

kreikrei

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coreywebster said:
What medium are you using out of interest OP?
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Biobizz light mix.
Running in to "usual" (found a lot of people struggling with Biobizz at the start of flower) flowering deficiency.

My first grow - autoflower/sativa (Think different)

Vegetation period was great, but as soon as early flower started ,leaves started yellowing for all plants (Nitrogen deficiency), also some magnesium deficiency (but much smaller than N def)

I have definitely not overfed, My water ph is 7.3 befoire and 6.7 after nutes. So its either underfed or soil ph issues. Cant see why would the soil have imbalanced ph though.

Thats why I bought some of the supplement I listed, hoping that with a bit bigger Biobizz grow dose (for Nitrogen def) and a bigger calmag dose (1ml/l) those supps may help absorb the nutes.

If not,a flush is the last option. But I am afraid, since its my first grow lol
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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kreikrei said:
Biobizz light mix.
Running in to "usual" (found a lot of people struggling with Biobizz at the start of flower) flowering deficiency.

My first grow - autoflower/sativa (Think different)

Vegetation period was great, but as soon as early flower started ,leaves started yellowing for all plants (Nitrogen deficiency), also some magnesium deficiency (but much smaller than N def)

I have definitely not overfed, My water ph is 7.3 befoire and 6.7 after nutes. So its either underfed or soil ph issues. Cant see why would the soil have imbalanced ph though.

Thats why I bought some of the supplement I listed, hoping that with a bit bigger Biobizz grow dose (for Nitrogen def) and a bigger calmag dose (1ml/l) those supps may help absorb the nutes.

If not,a flush is the last option. But I am afraid, since its my first grow lol
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Got any pictures of theses deficiencies?
 
kreikrei

kreikrei

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coreywebster said:
Got any pictures of theses deficiencies?
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Sorry nope.
My phone broke month ago, replacement one (old Samsung mini) has a baaaad camera....
But Ive done hours and hours of reading. looking at pictures from other people issues who are similar. flush seems to be imminent, hinestly, because thats the most popular advice in those cases that look somewhat similar to mine.
Otherwise Ill lose most of my leaves haha :D The "trim" you never want to see - yellow, dry, dead, fall off.

Worst part is, I havent learned the issue. (and could be going into my next grow not any smarter)
It might be root rot as well, if you think about it.
 
kreikrei

kreikrei

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Lenin1917 said:
Considering all the molasses you’ve been feeding your roots are probably clogged af.
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I actually didnt fed any molasses or activera, just bought them today.
Only had been supplementing with kelps aka algamic.

Maybe calmag caused a nutrient lockout (since every other nutrient I started in week 3 after sprout with 25% recomende dose, 2 weeks later 33% dose and reached 50% dose on week 6-7) - my tap water is 200-240ppm and biobizz recommends a small (0.3-0.8 veg, a little more during flowering) maintenance dose.

That being said,just recently found out biobizz is from Netherlands wher water is very soft, so its made for that type of water (I mean the cal mag recomendation)

Maybe should have given not cal mag, but only epsom salts, since I never saw a calcium deficieny on leaves, only magnesium.

But who knows ehhh..

Since it shows clear N deficiency, will do one more watering with 100% Grow dose (1ml/l) and hope for the best. If leaveskep yellowing for 3-6 days after that, will do a flush, since I am assuming a decent N feeding should stop the yellowing. If not, its a lockout, right?

Also on the last watering a few days before flush, I will check runoff ppm (uauslly dont water till runoff, since peoplehave said its not needed with Biobizz, no salts there)


P.S. If the worst scenario happens and my babies die, how can I check for root rot?
With hydro its easy to see, but with soil?
 
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