Another Republican President, Another Recession.

hanimmal

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Thanks @jimihendrix1 for bringing this up the other day. It is interesting.

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — OPEC, Russia and other oil-producing nations on Sunday finalized an unprecedented production cut of nearly 10 million barrels, or a tenth of global supply, in hopes of boosting crashing prices amid the coronavirus pandemic and a price war, officials said.

“This could be the largest reduction in production from OPEC for perhaps a decade, maybe longer,” said U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette, who credited President Donald Trump’s personal involvement in getting dueling parties to the table and helping to end a price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia.

Oil prices have collapsed as the coronavirus and the COVID-19 illness it causes have largely halted global travel and slowed down other energy-chugging sectors such as manufacturing. It has devastated the oil industry in the U.S., which now pumps more crude than any other country.

But some producers have been reluctant to ease supply. The cartel and other nations on Sunday agreed to allow Mexico to cut only 100,000 barrels a month, a sticking point for an accord initially reached Friday after a marathon video conference between 23 nations. The nations together agreed to cut 9.7 million barrels a day throughout May and June.

The group reached the deal just hours before Asian markets reopened Monday and as international benchmark Brent crude traded at just over $31 a barrel and American shale producers struggle.

Video aired by the Saudi-owned satellite channel Al-Arabiya showed the moment that Saudi Energy Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman, a son of King Salman, assented to the deal.

“I go with the consent, so I agree,” the prince said, chuckling, drawing a round of applause from those on the video call.

But it had not been smiles and laughs for weeks after the so-called OPEC+ group of OPEC members and other nations failed in March to reach an agreement on production cuts, sending prices tumbling. Saudi Arabia sharply criticized Russia days earlier over what it described as comments critical of the kingdom, which finds itself trying to appease Trump, a longtime OPEC critic.

Even U.S. senators had warned Saudi Arabia to find a way to boost prices as American shale firms face far-higher production costs. American troops had been deployed to the kingdom for the first time since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks over concerns of Iranian retaliation amid regional tensions.

“They’ve spent over the last month waging war on American oil producers while we are defending theirs. This is not how friends treat friends,” said Sen. Kevin Cramer, a Republican from North Dakota, before the OPEC+ deal.

U.S. producers have already been reducing output. The American Petroleum Institute lauded Sunday’s global pact, saying it will help get other nations’ state-owned oil production to follow the lead of U.S. producers that are trying to adjust to plunging demand.

Brouillette said the U.S. did not make commitments of its own production cuts, but was able to show the obvious — that plunging demand because of the pandemic is expected to slash U.S. oil production.

Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Zanganeh also told state television that Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates would cut another 2 million barrels of oil a day between them atop the OPEC+ deal. The three countries did not immediately acknowledge the cut themselves, though Zanganeh attended the video conference.

Officials said other planned cuts would stand in the deal, meaning an 8 million barrel per day cut from July through the end of the year and a 6 million barrel cut for 16 months beginning in 2021.

“This will enable the rebalancing of the oil markets and the expected rebound of prices by $15 per barrel in the short term,” said a statement from Nigeria’s oil ministry.

Mexico had initially blocked the deal but its president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, had said Friday that he had agreed with Trump that the U.S. will compensate what Mexico cannot add to the proposed cuts.

“The big Oil Deal with OPEC Plus is done. This will save hundreds of thousands of energy jobs in the United States,” Trump said in a tweet. “I would like to thank and congratulate President Putin of Russia and King Salman of Saudi Arabia.”

The Kremlin said President Vladimir Putin held a joint call with Trump and Saudi King Salman to express support of the deal. It also said Putin spoke separately with Trump about the oil market and other issues.

Analysts offered cautious praise.

“The pure size of the cut is unprecedented, but, then again, so is the impact the coronavirus is having on demand,” said Mohammed Ghulam, an energy analyst at Raymond James.

But Ghulam and others worried it may not be enough.

“This is at least a temporary relief for the energy industry and for the global economy. This industry is too big to be let to fail and the alliance showed responsibility with this agreement,” said Per Magnus Nysveen, the head of analysis at Rystad Energy. “Even though the production cuts are smaller than what the market needed and only postpone the stock building constraints problem, the worst is for now avoided.”
 

jimihendrix1

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Thanks @jimihendrix1 for bringing this up the other day. It is interesting.

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — OPEC, Russia and other oil-producing nations on Sunday finalized an unprecedented production cut of nearly 10 million barrels, or a tenth of global supply, in hopes of boosting crashing prices amid the coronavirus pandemic and a price war, officials said.

“This could be the largest reduction in production from OPEC for perhaps a decade, maybe longer,” said U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette, who credited President Donald Trump’s personal involvement in getting dueling parties to the table and helping to end a price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia.

Also instead of cutting 10 Million Barrels a day, they ended up cutting 20 MILLION BPD.


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In a historic agreement, OPEC+ alliance has decided to slash the oil production by about 20 million barrels per day contrary to 9.7 million barrels as reported earlier, President Donald Trump said on Monday.
 

hanimmal

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Also instead of cutting 10 Million Barrela a day, they ended up cutting 20 MILLION BPD.


'OPEC+ alliance will cut production by 20 million barrels …
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In a historic agreement, OPEC+ alliance has decided to slash the oil production by about 20 million barrels per day contrary to 9.7 million barrels as reported earlier, President Donald Trump said on Monday.
I am all for halting the pollution to slow global climate changes, but this is economic warfare being conducted on democratic nations right now by these handful of dictators and mega wealthy oil companies with the help of Trump and the Republicans (and maybe 2 Democrats in the senate atm).

I was curious if Trump knew he was screwed in April (since he was always afraid most of Biden) and if the dictators of the globe were starting their scam to screw Biden by then?


Looks like what Bannan was saying 'they would kill Biden's presidency in the crib' started back around April 2020 IMO.
 

hanimmal

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Yes, and tRump was asked long before the election if he would go along with the peaceful transfer of power, if he lost. He wouldnt answer the question.
You can go back to before the 2016 election to see that this was a long time plan. Right up until the Russian military started to see that Trump could win, Roger Stone's 'Stop the Steal' propaganda group was going to screw with that election.
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-- Stop the Steal, a controversial political group affiliated with Trump backer Roger Stone and the target of active Democratic lawsuits, has issued fresh guidance ahead of Election Day to a network of volunteer poll monitors, in an apparent effort to avoid running afoul of voting rights laws.

For weeks, the group has used incendiary rhetoric to motivate members to turn up at contested areas tomorrow to participate in a survey of voters leaving polling places. But after Democrats sued the group for alleged conspiracy to intimidate minority voters, Stop the Steal is now warning poll monitors against speaking to voters before ballots are cast, entering polling places, or wearing displays that promote a candidate.

Stop the Steal and Stone have come under intense scrutiny recently after attorneys for Democratic plaintiffs filed several lawsuits against them, along with the Trump campaign and various Republican state parties. Democrats have accused the defendants of conspiring to interfere with the votes of racial minorities in violation of longstanding civil rights laws dating to the post-Civil War Reconstruction Era through the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

In court filings, Democrats argue Stop the Steal’s exit polling operation serves no legitimate purpose, but is merely a pretext for harassing and intimidating likely Democratic voters of color. They say the ruse goes hand-in-hand with Donald Trump's heated, racially-tinged accusations of vote-rigging and his calls for supporters to monitor voting in “certain areas,” which Democrats argue is code for minority communities.

Stop the Steal maintains its mission is to ensure voting integrity by gathering exit poll data to compare to voting machine results in heavily-contested areas. Attorneys for the group argue its right to conduct an exit poll -- even one that fails to meet rigorous scientific standards -- is protected under the First Amendment.

But in a sworn affidavit to a Nevada federal court yesterday, Stone promised that Stop the Steal would issue guidance to its volunteers warning against certain conduct that could interfere with voters at polling places, and a list of rules Stone submitted to the court were later posted to stopthesteal.org.

The tone of new guidance, with its emphasis on sober self-restraint, starkly contrasts with other sections of Stop the Steal’s website featuring dire, urgent references to volunteers as “Vote Protectors” whose actions “will evermore determine whether the future generations of America continue to live a life of freedom.”

“Your help is needed, it is respected, and it is appreciated,” reads a message on the “About” section of Stop the Steal’s website. “With this movement, you will one day be able to tell your grandchildren about what you did to help SAVE AMERICA!!!”

Attorneys for the Democratic plaintiffs, and Stop the Steal and Stone were not immediately available for comment.

For his part, Stone has claimed in court filings to be a volunteer at Stop the Steal, not the group’s founder or leader. In his affidavit filed yesterday he vowed to personally comply with voting rights laws.

"I will under no circumstances be part of any effort, now or at any time in the future to violate the civil rights of any voter,” Stone's affidavit reads. “I will not target voters based on their race."

Bradley Schrager, an attorney for the plaintiffs said: "The problem is that STS has no manner of controlling or even monitoring its volunteers' conduct, and no assurance that this "guidance" will even be received by its people, much less followed."

The following are the rules Stone submitted to the Nevada federal court that were later posted to stopthesteal.org:

You must not:

1. Speak (or encourage anyone else to speak ) to any voter before he goes into a polling place, about ANYTHING, or who appears to be in line to vote or headed into a polling place.

2. Speak to ANYONE within 100 feet of the entrance to any polling place

3. Go inside a polling location for any reason other than to vote yourself, and when voting yourself and inside a polling place say or do anything not directly related to casting your own vote

4. Record by audio or video or any other method of sound or video reproduction the comments of anyone who has voted without that person’s permission

5. Wear or display any badge, button, or clothing that promotes any political candidate or party

6. Photograph the conduct of voting at a polling place or record the conduct of voting, or of any voter in line to vote (no matter how far distant from a polling place) or who appears to be headed into a polling place to vote or who is within 100 feet of a polling place even if that person has already voted

7. Without regard to distance from a polling place, ask any person who has not yet voted their name, address or political affiliation or how that voter plans to mark his or her ballot

8. It is our goal to conduct a neutral, scientifically-based and methodically sound exit poll at certain targeted precincts for the purpose of preparing the exit poll actual
 

hanimmal

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Pundits, economists and policymakers are talking about the possibility of a recession and rising unemployment. Whether these dour predictions come to pass, it’s clear the economy is struggling. It’s also clear GOP obstructionism is preventing policymakers from addressing economic weaknesses and helping people in difficult times.

“Recession” is a somewhat fuzzy term, but it’s generally defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

GDP in the first three months of 2022 was down 1.5 percent. Current estimates have second quarter growth at a meager .9 percent. If that falls a bit, we’d meet the common technical definition of a recession.

Usually, we think of recessions as a time of rising unemployment and joblessness. However, unemployment remains at historic lows.

Unemployment rates have been at 3.6 percent for three months. US businesses added 390,000 jobs in May. And employers continue to report difficulty in filling positions.

Pools, lakes and amusement parks have been unable to find lifeguards across the country. Fully one-third of public pools in the US may be shut down or have reduced hours because of staff shortages.


An economy can still slip into recession with low unemployment. But it seems contradictory to have an economic slowdown and a hiring crisis at the same time. If there are so many open jobs, why aren’t people taking them and boosting the economy?

The answer is the same one it has been.

We’re still in the middle of a pandemic.

Covid cases are rising. Hospitalizations are up 20 percent over the last two weeks. Deaths have stubbornly hovered around 300 a day.

Though government, businesses and the public have largely pushed for normalcy, covid continues to affect the economy in numerous ways.

When people get sick, they miss work and often have to quarantine. People remain cautious about travel and large public gatherings.

Congress initially responded to these economic shocks by trying to help those in need. The US passed multiple major spending bills, including a $1.9 trillion covid relief bill in March 2020.

The government sent $1,400 checks directly to citizens. It provided funds to fight covid and protect people from the disease. It extended unemployment benefits. It also expanded the Child Tax Credit, sending direct payments to families in poverty with children.

The stimulus spending was very successful. American’s real incomes increased. The economy grew faster in 2021 than in any year since 1984, adding 6.2 million jobs. Unemployment plummeted.

The Child Tax Credit expansion lifted millions of children out of poverty and cut monthly child poverty by about 30 percent.

The funds also spurred a massive vaccine rollout that saw half of the population receiving vaccines in six months. That achievement helped reduce cases and made the economic recovery possible.

Following the initial bill, however, Congress refused to pass any further relief, even amidst further pandemic spikes.

Republicans and conservative Democrat Joe Manchin killed Biden’s sweeping Build Back Better infrastructure bill. The same coalition has refused to provide further desperately needed funds to fight covid.

What this means is that the federal government is no longer providing a cushion to protect from covid shocks as a result the economy is slowing, which could lead us into a recession. Government spending has stalled out in large part because of inflation fears. In May the US annual inflation rate was 8.6 percent, the highest since 1981.

Conservatives insist that too much government spending has boosted prices. More spending would only cause more inflation, they argue.

The fact, though, is that US inflation rates are about the same as those globally. If every country is experiencing the same rising prices, it seems unlikely that relief funds in the US are the cause.

The main culprit is, again, covid. It has played havoc with supply chains, creating shortages of items like baby formula and tampons.

These shortages have been a major spur to inflation.

Another contributor is the war in Ukraine and the embargoes on Russian oil. Gas prices have risen, as of this writing, to an average of $5 a gallon. The price spike harms less affluent consumers and is a drag on the economy as a whole.

President Biden has limited control over Russia’s actions in Ukraine, and given the global nature of inflation, it’s unlikely that he can unilaterally bring down prices either.

The government could cushion the impact of these economic forces, however, as it did at the beginning of the pandemic.

Restoring the expanded Child Tax Credit would directly help families struggling with higher grocery prices. More funds for existing boosters, PPE, testing, air filtration, Paxlovid treatments and developing the next round of nasal vaccines could help the country, and the world, defeat covid and its ongoing disruptions.

If we’re concerned that we can’t afford to make these investments, there are revenue options. Senators just added $45 billion to Biden’s defense budget; we could take that off and use it to pay for programs that would help people.

Biden also has a plan to raise $1.5 trillion by taxing the richest 1 percent.

But Republicans won’t let the administration spend or raise revenue.

Instead, the Federal Reserve has been left to respond to the economic doldrums virtually by itself. It has used the one tool it has, delivering a major interest rate hike in an effort to bring down inflation.

Raising rates makes borrowing more expensive and reduces consumer demand, which is intended to slow the economy. That could lead to a recession, especially if the Fed continues to boost rates, as it is expected to do in the next months.

Getting inflation under control is important. But so is lifting children out of poverty and defeating a virus that is still killing 1,500 people a week and is disrupting every aspect of life including the economy.

We’ve seen that the government has the ability to help people in crisis. Whether we’re struggling with inflation or a recession, we’re not powerless. Or we shouldn’t be.

But Republicans are determined to shackle Biden and to immiserate working people. That keeps Biden’s approval low, which will benefit Republicans in the midterms. It also keeps average Americans from expecting too much, which pleases the GOP’s wealthy donors.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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What else is new? It's always been the plan to divide the fools so the rich don't have to pay taxes, they are just run by a different kind of con artist now and the base is determined to fuck themselves over an imaginary greater cause. You can't look at the republicans without looking at who votes for them and why, they have no rational reason as we have seen repeatedly demonstrated here.
What percentage of white voters voted for Trump and why, in spite of everything that was known about him?
Why did they reject reality and create their own?
Why did they go tribal to the point of near carry a spear and if Trump told them to put a bone through their noses they would have! :lol: Cheeto Jesus separated the sheep from the goats at the very least.
 

BudmanTX

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Thanks @jimihendrix1 for bringing this up the other day. It is interesting.

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-top-news-international-news-saudi-arabia-e9b73ec833e9a5ad304a69e3b9b86914View attachment 5151457
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — OPEC, Russia and other oil-producing nations on Sunday finalized an unprecedented production cut of nearly 10 million barrels, or a tenth of global supply, in hopes of boosting crashing prices amid the coronavirus pandemic and a price war, officials said.

“This could be the largest reduction in production from OPEC for perhaps a decade, maybe longer,” said U.S. Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette, who credited President Donald Trump’s personal involvement in getting dueling parties to the table and helping to end a price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia.
and this right here is the very reason why we have high prices now. Plus also keep in mind the oil companies in the US are not nationalize, so that basically mean they can whatever they wanna do......
 

hanimmal

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What else is new? It's always been the plan to divide the fools so the rich don't have to pay taxes, they are just run by a different kind of con artist now and the base is determined to fuck themselves over an imaginary greater cause. You can't look at the republicans without looking at who votes for them and why, they have no rational reason as we have seen repeatedly demonstrated here.
What percentage of white voters voted for Trump and why, in spite of everything that was known about him?
Why did they reject reality and create their own?
Why did they go tribal to the point of near carry a spear and if Trump told them to put a bone through their noses they would have! :lol: Cheeto Jesus separated the sheep from the goats at the very least.
When people who vote Republican see virtually nothing negative about Trump that is not edited/cherry picked and spun to high hell with a 'but Democrats...' added in to program in trigger phrases when it gets brought up in the real world, while simultaneously being spammed shit like Democrats are out to murder babies and drink their blood, hate religion and America, and are going to turn your nice rural neighborhood into the hood with all the immigrants that they are told over and over again are getting more from the government than they do, I don't really go down the whole 'all people voting for Republicans are racist (or whatever else).

They reject reality, because they are spammed at virtually every angle into a alternate reality. That is how you end up with people blaming Obama for not being in the White House for 9/11, that a economic collapse that occurred in the previous Republican administration is the incoming Democrats fault, that the elections are being stolen by 'them'. Basically they get programmed to 'but Democrats' or 'both sides' themselves into thinking they are right to vote for someone like Trump.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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When people who vote Republican see virtually nothing negative about Trump that is not edited/cherry picked and spun to high hell with a 'but Democrats...' added in to program in trigger phrases when it gets brought up in the real world, while simultaneously being spammed shit like Democrats are out to murder babies and drink their blood, hate religion and America, and are going to turn your nice rural neighborhood into the hood with all the immigrants that they are told over and over again are getting more from the government than they do, I don't really go down the whole 'all people voting for Republicans are racist (or whatever else).

They reject reality, because they are spammed at virtually every angle into a alternate reality. That is how you end up with people blaming Obama for not being in the White House for 9/11, that a economic collapse that occurred in the previous Republican administration is the incoming Democrats fault, that the elections are being stolen by 'them'. Basically they get programmed to 'but Democrats' or 'both sides' themselves into thinking they are right to vote for someone like Trump.
that is why social media and news outlets have to be held accountable for the content they publish. if a news outlet publishes a story, they better be able to verify it. if they can't, it's a fucking hefty fine, and a public apology and rectification, in prime time, on their front page, where ever it will embarrass them the most. tucker carlson's head would explode in about 3 days, not being able to spew venomous bilious lies about whatever makes his tanned testicles shrivel up currently...
social media platforms would have to hire "police" to monitor content, and anything offensive, threatening, hateful, or intentionally misleading would be taken down on the spot. any account offending three times in a year is permanently banned. anyone caught running any kind of bot, permanently banned....the fuckers who own them are rich, they can afford the personnel.
 

hanimmal

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that is why social media and news outlets have to be held accountable for the content they publish. if a news outlet publishes a story, they better be able to verify it. if they can't, it's a fucking hefty fine, and a public apology and rectification, in prime time, on their front page, where ever it will embarrass them the most. tucker carlson's head would explode in about 3 days, not being able to spew venomous bilious lies about whatever makes his tanned testicles shrivel up currently...
social media platforms would have to hire "police" to monitor content, and anything offensive, threatening, hateful, or intentionally misleading would be taken down on the spot. any account offending three times in a year is permanently banned. anyone caught running any kind of bot, permanently banned....the fuckers who own them are rich, they can afford the personnel.
Yeah it is annoying, and it is not just trolls spamming the word 'inflation' everywhere.

I watched the Sunday news shows and it is sad to watch the feedback loop reaching them. I think it was Face of the Nation that the host had a official on and actually started out with 'I know that there has been really good job gains for a long time now, but I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about inflation (even if it is not something that there is any real way for a president to quickly fix (especially with foreign dictators and rich oil companies here screwing us all with their price hikes)).

And then after about 15 minutes of not listening to the responses so she could continue to say how bad everything was, they moved on to how Americans are feeling bad about the economy. For real? No shit Sherlock, with all the nonstop negging and utter lack of discussion of any of the many strong areas in our economy, across the board I wonder why people would be programmed to complain about the economy.
 

schuylaar

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Yeah it is annoying, and it is not just trolls spamming the word 'inflation' everywhere.

I watched the Sunday news shows and it is sad to watch the feedback loop reaching them. I think it was Face of the Nation that the host had a official on and actually started out with 'I know that there has been really good job gains for a long time now, but I don't want to talk about that, I want to talk about inflation (even if it is not something that there is any real way for a president to quickly fix (especially with foreign dictators and rich oil companies here screwing us all with their price hikes)).

And then after about 15 minutes of not listening to the responses so she could continue to say how bad everything was, they moved on to how Americans are feeling bad about the economy. For real? No shit Sherlock, with all the nonstop negging and utter lack of discussion of any of the many strong areas in our economy, across the board I wonder why people would be programmed to complain about the economy.
I landed on CBS this past Sunday away from cable and so negative..even news 'lite' isn't worth watching.
 

schuylaar

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that is why social media and news outlets have to be held accountable for the content they publish. if a news outlet publishes a story, they better be able to verify it. if they can't, it's a fucking hefty fine, and a public apology and rectification, in prime time, on their front page, where ever it will embarrass them the most. tucker carlson's head would explode in about 3 days, not being able to spew venomous bilious lies about whatever makes his tanned testicles shrivel up currently...
social media platforms would have to hire "police" to monitor content, and anything offensive, threatening, hateful, or intentionally misleading would be taken down on the spot. any account offending three times in a year is permanently banned. anyone caught running any kind of bot, permanently banned....the fuckers who own them are rich, they can afford the personnel.
It's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission, Roger.

Social Media is going to run it's course until something bad happens that they're accountable for.

Which platforms were 1/6 using?

Social Media made the Insurrection possible.
 

hanimmal

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Go with the flow and drive what you can afford to put in your tank- YOU chose that vehicle. Don't blame Biden!

Actually while were at it stop blaming everyone for your shit!
It is hard, I get that living in rural areas that may not always have snow plowed means that having a big truck is pretty important. But we do subsidize the shit out of our rural areas.

Gas sucks how important it is to our society. But I also hope that the days of doing stupid shit like flying goods thousands of miles in the opposite direction to load it on another plane that is heading back to where it originated from to be delivered to a location a few miles away, because it is 'more efficient', is ended.
 
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