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Roadblock007

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LeastExpectedGrower said:
Those are really dark.
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They look darker in the pic than they are but they are not pale, they are on high EC and have a weighty feel, Ive never ran this high EC before I will back off to about 2.2 in another week I will add an Hour to the lights and increase feed frequency, then a few weeks after that will lower temps crank the EC and shorten the hours to ripen, this run is all a bit of an experiment, the biggest issue is I should not have added perlite to the coco, its drying to fast and Im wasting a lot of unnecessary nutrients as its run to waste, next time all Coco. Or I might go to Hugo blocks as Rockwool is a more consistent moisture-holding medium so multi-small feeds would be easier to manage across all.
 
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twentyeight.threefive

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Roadblock007 said:
They look darker in the pic than they are but they are not pale, they are on high EC and have a weighty feel, Ive never ran this high EC before I will back off to about 2.2 in another week I will add an Hour to the lights and increase feed frequency, then a few weeks after that will lower temps crank the EC and shorten the hours to ripen, this run is all a bit of an experiment, the biggest issue is I should not have added perlite to the coco, its drying to fast and Im wasting a lot of unnecessary nutrients as its run to waste, next time all Coco. Or I might go to Hugo blocks as Rockwool is a more consistent moisture-holding medium so multi-small feeds would be easier to manage across all.
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Sounds like you’re trying to fit all the bro science into your experiment that you can.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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bobj1598 said:
I probably won't use it solely due to the fact it's not organic. You're the second person to mention using it and seeing no effect. And considering the high score it's received throughout SEVERAL different websites, I find this really odd lol.

Imagine if this website added a 'Superthrive' react button
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Imagine if this website had people who’ve tried most of these bogus elixirs and then try to warn others of the illegitimacy of it ……. Oh wait!
 
shotnva777

shotnva777

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jondamon said:
Imagine if this website had people who’ve tried most of these bogus elixirs and then try to warn others of the illegitimacy of it ……. Oh wait!
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I’m not arguing whether or not SuperThrive works, I use it, I don’t know if it does anything or not honestly. I have a TON of grows under my belt, including my first auto/outdoor grow right now - and I’ve used it on every grow I’ve ever done. I use it at nearly every watering. I’ve never had a male or a hermie, but I’m not attributing that to the ST at all! I think I baby my plants more than other ppl… lol. My wife can’t stand it! That said, I believe the bottle says something about “kelp” on it? (I must admit I haven’t looked in some time, I tend to just buy it out of habit)

Does ST actually have NO positive effects on the plant whatsoever? Is their an NPK value of it? I’ll continue to use it, snake oil or not… I’m really just wondering! Here’s a pic of my latest girl(s), y’all check out my grow thread!!
 

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bobj1598

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shotnva777 said:
I’m not arguing whether or not SuperThrive works, I use it, I don’t know if it does anything or not honestly. I have a TON of grows under my belt, including my first auto/outdoor grow right now - and I’ve used it on every grow I’ve ever done. I use it at nearly every watering. I’ve never had a male or a hermie, but I’m not attributing that to the ST at all! I think I baby my plants more than other ppl… lol. My wife can’t stand it! That said, I believe the bottle says something about “kelp” on it? (I must admit I haven’t looked in some time, I tend to just buy it out of habit)

Does ST actually have NO positive effects on the plant whatsoever? Is their an NPK value of it? I’ll continue to use it, snake oil or not… I’m really just wondering! Here’s a pic of my latest girl(s), y’all check out my grow thread!!
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Go ask any actual 'gardener' what their opinion of the product is. I can almost guarantee you they'll render a different opinion than what's being offered here. Trying to get sound advice from a bunch of inebriated, half-baked dipshits is tantamount to relying on someone drunk to drive you home safely.

It's been on store shelves for 82 fucking years, millions of people throughout the duration of nearly a century can't be wrong. Just because some dumbass used the product incorrectly or didn't see the results THEY wanted to see doesn't mean it's a "snake oil." If I fed my child a bottle of Flintstones vitamins and ended up taking a trip to the ER, does that mean Flintstones vitamins are snake oil? I'm willing to bet a handful of stupid motherfuckers from this forum would opine that if they did something so incredibly retarded.

By their neanderthal reasoning, everything that's been in production (successfully) for more than 80 years is a snake oil. General Motors has been manufacturing cars for over 100 years. Nothing but a bunch of snakes over that way, I bought their car and it didn't take me to the moon. That means it's gotta be snake oil. "Sir, it was built for roads" BUT I WANTED IT TO FLY!!
 
jondamon

jondamon

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bobj1598 said:
Go ask any actual 'gardener' what their opinion of the product is. I can almost guarantee you they'll render a different opinion than what's being offered here. Trying to get sound advice from a bunch of inebriated, half-baked dipshits is tantamount to relying on someone drunk to drive you home safely.

It's been on store shelves for 82 fucking years, millions of people throughout the duration of nearly a century can't be wrong. Just because some dumbass used the product incorrectly or didn't see the results THEY wanted to see doesn't mean it's a "snake oil." If I fed my child a bottle of Flintstones vitamins and ended up taking a trip to the ER, does that mean Flintstones vitamins are snake oil? I'm willing to bet a handful of stupid motherfuckers from this forum would opine that if they did something so incredibly retarded.

By their neanderthal reasoning, everything that's been in production (successfully) for more than 80 years is a snake oil. General Motors has been manufacturing cars for over 100 years. Nothing but a bunch of snakes over that way, I bought their car and it didn't take me to the moon. That means it's gotta be snake oil. "Sir, it was built for roads" BUT I WANTED IT TO FLY!!
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B1 vitamins have been proven to work only in lab testing and not in real world testing.

you’re funny.

You only need to Google “b1 vitamins for plants” and you’ll see that it’s a myth that’s been perpetuated since the 1930’s when a lab proved b1 vitamins work in a controlled lab test but in real trials water worked better at stimulating root growth.
 
bobj1598

bobj1598

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jondamon said:
B1 vitamins have been proven to work only in lab testing and not in real world testing.

you’re funny.

You only need to Google “b1 vitamins for plants” and you’ll see that it’s a myth that’s been perpetuated since the 1930’s when a lab proved b1 vitamins work in a controlled lab test but in real trials water worked better at stimulating root growth.
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Was this the article you were referring to? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7443482/

I am trying to find this supposed research that was done proving this shit is garbage, but I'm having issues locating it. Whenever I find a link to the research the link doesn't work. I did find this though http://farmerfredrant.blogspot.com/2010/08/vitamin-b-1-garden-myth-that-wont-die.html but again, the link for that UofC research doesn't work. This one doesn't work either https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=6369 What do I need to Google to find the research? Or you wouldn't have a link handy would you?

I Googled "is superthrive snake oil?" and found this https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/super-thrive-is-it-snake-oil.72904/ a bunch of people on there swear by the product, all the way back from 2008. Further, I asked a family member about it, and they attend an orchids club and every member there swears by the product and uses it. All anecdotal, but I still went out of my way to ask.

I'm willing to concede the results of that test that was done. But was it done for JUST B1? Or was it done on Superthrive itself? Because Superthrive contains other ingredients besides just B1. Not to defend ST, if what they say about him disowning his own bullshit are true, then he's a dirty no good cock sucker. But I cannot find any verified sources for these claims. Lots of blog posts, but no hard evidence of this actually occurring.

I cannot ignore the many claims made by customers who have used and seemingly saw good results from the product. I think it's the AUXIN more than the B1 that people get results from.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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bobj1598 said:
Go ask any actual 'gardener' what their opinion of the product is. I can almost guarantee you they'll render a different opinion than what's being offered here. Trying to get sound advice from a bunch of inebriated, half-baked dipshits is tantamount to relying on someone drunk to drive you home safely.

It's been on store shelves for 82 fucking years, millions of people throughout the duration of nearly a century can't be wrong. Just because some dumbass used the product incorrectly or didn't see the results THEY wanted to see doesn't mean it's a "snake oil." If I fed my child a bottle of Flintstones vitamins and ended up taking a trip to the ER, does that mean Flintstones vitamins are snake oil? I'm willing to bet a handful of stupid motherfuckers from this forum would opine that if they did something so incredibly retarded.

By their neanderthal reasoning, everything that's been in production (successfully) for more than 80 years is a snake oil. General Motors has been manufacturing cars for over 100 years. Nothing but a bunch of snakes over that way, I bought their car and it didn't take me to the moon. That means it's gotta be snake oil. "Sir, it was built for roads" BUT I WANTED IT TO FLY!!
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Triggered.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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bobj1598 said:
Was this the article you were referring to? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7443482/

I am trying to find this supposed research that was done proving this shit is garbage, but I'm having issues locating it. Whenever I find a link to the research the link doesn't work. I did find this though http://farmerfredrant.blogspot.com/2010/08/vitamin-b-1-garden-myth-that-wont-die.html but again, the link for that UofC research doesn't work. This one doesn't work either https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=6369 What do I need to Google to find the research? Or you wouldn't have a link handy would you?

I Googled "is superthrive snake oil?" and found this https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/super-thrive-is-it-snake-oil.72904/ a bunch of people on there swear by the product, all the way back from 2008. Further, I asked a family member about it, and they attend an orchids club and every member there swears by the product and uses it. All anecdotal, but I still went out of my way to ask.

I'm willing to concede the results of that test that was done. But was it done for JUST B1? Or was it done on Superthrive itself? Because Superthrive contains other ingredients besides just B1. Not to defend ST, if what they say about him disowning his own bullshit are true, then he's a dirty no good cock sucker. But I cannot find any verified sources for these claims. Lots of blog posts, but no hard evidence of this actually occurring.

I cannot ignore the many claims made by customers who have used and seemingly saw good results from the product. I think it's the AUXIN more than the B1 that people get results from.
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Mainly I’m talking about B1

It’s generated within the plant during rooting rather than needing to be supplied.

the claims made about B1 in the ST alone is what should send alarm bells ringing about ST.
 
twentyeight.threefive

twentyeight.threefive

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jondamon said:
urbanforestrytreeservice.com

Does Vitamin B1 Help Plants Grow?

So sure, as tree service experts in Denver we may not exactly be gardeners, but we have stumbled across this myth more than once in our landscaping careers – the idea that Vitamin B1 (also kn…
urbanforestrytreeservice.com urbanforestrytreeservice.com

www.gardenmyths.com

The Truth about Vitamin B1 for Plants

Vitamin B1 fertilizer does not reduce transplant shock. Buying it for plants is a waste of money. Find out more about this gardening myth.
www.gardenmyths.com www.gardenmyths.com

www.gardenmyths.com

The Truth about Vitamin B1 for Plants

Vitamin B1 fertilizer does not reduce transplant shock. Buying it for plants is a waste of money. Find out more about this gardening myth.
www.gardenmyths.com www.gardenmyths.com

Mainly I’m talking about B1

It’s generated within the plant during rooting rather than needing to be supplied.

the claims made about B1 in the ST alone is what should send alarm bells ringing about ST.
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But it’s been on the market for almost a century…
 
jondamon

jondamon

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bobj1598 said:
Was this the article you were referring to? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7443482/

I am trying to find this supposed research that was done proving this shit is garbage, but I'm having issues locating it. Whenever I find a link to the research the link doesn't work. I did find this though http://farmerfredrant.blogspot.com/2010/08/vitamin-b-1-garden-myth-that-wont-die.html but again, the link for that UofC research doesn't work. This one doesn't work either https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=6369 What do I need to Google to find the research? Or you wouldn't have a link handy would you?

I Googled "is superthrive snake oil?" and found this https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/super-thrive-is-it-snake-oil.72904/ a bunch of people on there swear by the product, all the way back from 2008. Further, I asked a family member about it, and they attend an orchids club and every member there swears by the product and uses it. All anecdotal, but I still went out of my way to ask.

I'm willing to concede the results of that test that was done. But was it done for JUST B1? Or was it done on Superthrive itself? Because Superthrive contains other ingredients besides just B1. Not to defend ST, if what they say about him disowning his own bullshit are true, then he's a dirty no good cock sucker. But I cannot find any verified sources for these claims. Lots of blog posts, but no hard evidence of this actually occurring.

I cannot ignore the many claims made by customers who have used and seemingly saw good results from the product. I think it's the AUXIN more than the B1 that people get results from.
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auxins and naturally occurring PGR’s are a different thing.

Triacontanol for example found in alfalfa and beeswax is a known naturally occurring PGR along with a few others.

not all PGR’s are bad. Synthetic PGR’s are bad due to the chemicals used to make them etc. carcinogenic etc.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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jondamon said:
B1 vitamins have been proven to work only in lab testing and not in real world testing.

you’re funny.

You only need to Google “b1 vitamins for plants” and you’ll see that it’s a myth that’s been perpetuated since the 1930’s when a lab proved b1 vitamins work in a controlled lab test but in real trials water worked better at stimulating root growth.
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@bobj1598

I included what to search for I my original comment.
 
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Bro you need to give allot more facts like the pot size is it hydro coco or dwc ?
Is it a auto flower ? Witch strain is also something I would need to know and the nuts you give and how much and witch nuts and humidity temperature and so on best regards
 
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