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shotnva777 said:
I’m not arguing whether or not SuperThrive works, I use it, I don’t know if it does anything or not honestly. I have a TON of grows under my belt, including my first auto/outdoor grow right now - and I’ve used it on every grow I’ve ever done. I use it at nearly every watering. I’ve never had a male or a hermie, but I’m not attributing that to the ST at all! I think I baby my plants more than other ppl… lol. My wife can’t stand it! That said, I believe the bottle says something about “kelp” on it? (I must admit I haven’t looked in some time, I tend to just buy it out of habit)

Does ST actually have NO positive effects on the plant whatsoever? Is their an NPK value of it? I’ll continue to use it, snake oil or not… I’m really just wondering! Here’s a pic of my latest girl(s), y’all check out my grow thread!!
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Yes and no
The benefits espoused by Superthrive have been thoroughly debunked
Your money, your choice

One of many:

University of California research on vegetables failed to prove that B1 reduces transplant shock or stimulates root development. Researchers found "no discernible differences in color or vigor among treatments" when B1 and B1 plus iron, manganese, and zinc were used on peppers, pole beans, squash, sweet corn, tomatoes, and watermelons. Elsewhere, studies on chrysanthemums, citrus, and roses have reached similar conclusions."
 
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Lenin1917 said:
Pretty much, you could’ve just said alfalfa though. Making people look up scientific names when there’s accepted vernacular doesn’t actually make you look smarter.
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I wasn't trying to look smarter. I was recently researching alfalfa and it's uses in the garden, specifically as a quick nitrogen source. I have some outdoor plants that are in soil and have only been fed some cannabis trim JLF that were showing some yellowing on some of the lower leaves and some paleness to the new growth. I have a big bucket of alfalfa meal so I had been reading extensively about alfalfa and medicago sativa stuck in my mind due to the sativa part of the name. Anyway I made some alfalfa tea and fed the plants a few days ago and the new growth appears to have greened up.

You don't have to use scientific names to look smart around here. Plus I don't care if people think I'm an idiot or a genius. I know what I am and that's all that matters.
 
jondamon said:
@bobj1598

I included what to search for I my original comment.
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To which I've searched for. There are no scientific, peer reviewed studies to support the claim of B1 being of no benefit when applied directly to plants. At least, not that I could locate. The ONLY academic institution I've come across to have done this research and made the claim is the University of California, and for whatever reason, their study has been pulled down off of their website. You can no longer view it. Why is that? https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=6369 to me, that's a red flag.

The two links you provided are opinion pieces, they provide no substantive proof to the claims they make. I could've made a claim that I sprout 15foot wings and fly around my city at night. It literally wouldn't be any more or less true than what they try and purport in their articles. In fact, the asshole author of the second blog was called out on this and asked to provide proof of the claims he made, to which he responded with "where's your proof it DOES work?" Burden of proof lies on he who makes the claim. It's like saying "The moon is made of cheese. But it's up to YOU to provide proof that it's made of cheese." That's not how it works.

I'm willing to concede to the notion that B1 itself provides no real, tangible benefit when applied to plants (if I can locate and read the study that was done). But to then go beyond that and claim Superthrive is ineffective or doesn't work because it contains vitamin B1, is a half truth. It also contains nitrogen and naphthyl acetic acid, which is what I think most gardeners get the seemingly good results from.

However, according to this research paper on naphthylacetic acid, it claims "The main practical uses of auxins are: (1) in low concentrations to accelerate the rooting of woody and herbaceous cuttings; and (2) in higher concentrations to act as selective herbicides or weed-killers." Cannabis is considered a weed, correct? Could that be why some cannabis growers dislike the product? In higher concentrations, can it destroy or otherwise prolong the growth of the plant? https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/1-naphthylacetic-acid

Most of the applied usages I've come across were from people who used it to nurse a sick plant back to health, or for root cuttings. I've very rarely come across folk who claim to get more foliage/better fruit production because of using it.
Lenin1917 said:
Actually it’s Triacontanol they just lie about what’s in it.
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I've read this, however, on their website this ingredient isn't listed. Is it a by-product of the 'kelp' that's supposedly in ST? Tricontanol is good stuff, but if I really wanted that, I'd probably just opt for some alfalfa meal instead.
 
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