Kami Samurai

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Hopefully this is the correct thread for this. Question: what are the negative affects of using feminized seeds for a breeding project? How can this be fixed I’ve read that the it can be “outbreed” while still keeping characteristics from the Fem Plant. Can anyone elaborate?
 

blueberryrose

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Hopefully this is the correct thread for this. Question: what are the negative affects of using feminized seeds for a breeding project? How can this be fixed I’ve read that the it can be “outbreed” while still keeping characteristics from the Fem Plant. Can anyone elaborate?
I've used a feminised seed female a couple times (2 different ones) and in both those instances my cross turned out great. I feared that I'd see nanners galore but that wasn't the case. I don't know what other adverse effects it could have of using feminised seed - they give females who's genetic makeup can be for all intents and purposes like a normal female. If it's a female seed that came from a self-pollinating plant because that variety frequently herms (thus creating seeds) then it could become an issue if you don't want plants that herm.
Of course, I could be wrong, and there may be all kinds of disadvantages of using a feminised girl. I'm no scientist.
 

mudballs

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You guys ever run into a male that has no pollen in the sacks/nanners? I have a
(Mendo purps x kimbo kush) x Project 25 copa male that isnt giving me a drop of pollen...wtf ive never seen this...is that what a sterile male is? Pics available but kinda useless lol
 

led1k

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That being said, I use regular seeds whenever I can, since they are better than feminized ones (less herms, more vigor, better offspring generally). Feminization, remember, is extremely artificial and requires chemical induction; hence it's a trauma the plant has to get over, which doesn't help in an age of poly-hybrids. No one wants to vet a sickly generation.
First I've heard of regulars being better than fems (less herms, more vigor, better offspring generally)...
but always up to learn...
Any data to back that up?
 

thenotsoesoteric

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You guys ever run into a male that has no pollen in the sacks/nanners? I have a
(Mendo purps x kimbo kush) x Project 25 copa male that isnt giving me a drop of pollen...wtf ive never seen this...is that what a sterile male is? Pics available but kinda useless lol
Yes, with cannaventure's old purpleberry bx. Fucker had balls for days with no pollen.
 

oodawg

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First time growing a seed of my creation. Although a happy accident. The seed was from cannarado apple infusion the bud was fire. I had plants hermie while gone for 5 days and choosing to leave the heat on instead of ac. Fairly certain the plant growing right now is a cross between HSC Lemmongrass and the Apple infusion. The seed looked nothing like the apple infusion seeds the mom came from and looked most like the lemmongrass seeds. Stem rub on it is straight astringent lemon while the mom was a sour chem smell. Hopefully it's a girl if not ill use it to chuck some more because it's a stinky mofo already, very broad leaves, the most unique looking in my garden.
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The Mom
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So far so good. Taking forever to confirm the preflower with a pistil popping out, just like the mom did. The Mom had the round almost ball looking preflowers that kept swelling until finally pooping a pistil out the top a couple weeks after the others. These preflowers are much more pointed but I'll not be convinced until I see a pistil. More certain the pollen came from the lemmongrass. Besides the stem rub having a lemon tinge to it the structure looks much more like the lemmongrass pheno I had. Crazy node spacing especially for outdoor. I thought I just didn't get the lighting right indoor and she stretched too much on me. Lemmongrass pollen suspect is the back left in the pic below. Mom us the apple infusion in front of her. Structure pretty spot on with the lemmongrass.
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Mad_Ninja

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That is just a personal option there. I've ran tons of seeds and I have noticed regs being any better or worse.

Just look at all the elite clones. Many came from hermies making unintentional seeds.
I'll start with the opinion thing. I only have anecdotal evidence, personal witness. So yes, experienced opinion. Reggies are more reliable for quality when compared to their chemically-induced counterpart.

Next to the clones: Yes, good clones come from hermies, but then the hermaphroditic tendencies have to be trained out of subsequent crosses, for 8 generations. Hermies are a short term solution to the long term issue of genetics. Training in hermie genes to add a couple THC percent is disastrous later on down the line, F2, F3, etc. Again anecdotal. The reason I prefer regular seeds is because they are the way Nature intended, and I'm a hippie. But really I'm quite sure that natural, landrace breeding is the way to truly diverse flavors, effects, and potency. See Mazar-I-Sharif.
 

Houstini

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Bash, shoulda started in a bigger pot. Almost autoflower, clones will do ok under 24h but trigger instantly at anything shorter. These seedlings were started indoor early may and put out June 1 at 45degrees N, by solstice they were flowering. This is something I’m happy I had the opportunity to fgen for further curiosity. I had 3 females and 4 males, kept a pretty male and pollinated 2 of the 3 females and the third will be grown full term sensi to get an idea of what’s there. Mid July and I have fully pollinated females before anything else threw pistils, I’ll call that a winA0CCC67B-60BE-4B8D-8CDE-D1846CF34776.jpeg89302C7F-C25C-49D9-9EC3-3582E315638B.jpeg8511ABC2-DEA1-4B6A-8C7E-F119C809901D.jpegB650C38D-E9FE-4427-B99D-CF1535A4650E.jpeg
 

mudballs

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I've used a feminised seed female a couple times (2 different ones) and in both those instances my cross turned out great. I feared that I'd see nanners galore but that wasn't the case. I don't know what other adverse effects it could have of using feminised seed - they give females who's genetic makeup can be for all intents and purposes like a normal female. If it's a female seed that came from a self-pollinating plant because that variety frequently herms (thus creating seeds) then it could become an issue if you don't want plants that herm.
Of course, I could be wrong, and there may be all kinds of disadvantages of using a feminised girl. I'm no scientist.
Cc: @Kami Samurai
Maybe a slight chance of losing a chromosome or weird chromosome happenings...like if you were going for a certain trait but just so happens that seed got wonky chromosomes from the feminizing...probably a low chance but any further breeding is chuffed cuz the gene is just straight up gone...not recessive or subordinate...gone.lol.you'd just need to pop more seeds from same filial gen to find one with all it's sets. It's not an adverse thing per se just some mudball brain vomit
 

Mad_Ninja

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Cc: @Kami Samurai
Maybe a slight chance of losing a chromosome or weird chromosome happenings...like if you were going for a certain trait but just so happens that seed got wonky chromosomes from the feminizing...probably a low chance but any further breeding is chuffed cuz the gene is just straight up gone...not recessive or subordinate...gone.lol.you'd just need to pop more seeds from same filial gen to find one with all it's sets. It's not an adverse thing per se just some mudball brain vomit
Not brain vomit, good advice. I once got a Master Kush x Tuna Kush seed that smelled nothing like kush in flower. It tasted like straight sugar, not even dank. Granted, I had no right to complain given it was very potent, but that's still weird as hell, and a result of my crossing a regular male with a feminized mother. Again, feminized aren't great for breeding, not like regulars have been for me.
 

mudballs

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I didnt say it was great or not to work with fems in a breeding project. I gave possible worst case scenerio and solution.
 
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