How to fix the claw
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Budzbuddha
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My 2¢ - trellis will be of little use. Usually you want to weave in veg stage branching. You would be better off removing and LST each containers growth.
Plants a little dark but lookin good.
Plants a little dark but lookin good.
berrygarcia
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not a coco grower so unsure on long-term fix
short-term I would foliar with kelp
short-term I would foliar with kelp
Killaki
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I tend to agree with BudzBuddha on the trellis, at this stage it's just a big net draped over them, not really opening them up or training growth breaking the atypical growth.
That aside you do look a little on the dark side. I'm not familiar enough with those nutes, which ones exactly? What's your total N like? What's your temps and humidity?
calvin.m16
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I used to run H&G in coco you do not need calmag. What are your temperatures and humidity? The plants honestly could be getting too much light. That will also cause leaves to shy away from lights and curve/curl downward.
I run those same lights over a pretty big area (roughly 5 ft x 18 ft) and achieve 500+ PPFD as far as 24" from the light.
I run those same lights over a pretty big area (roughly 5 ft x 18 ft) and achieve 500+ PPFD as far as 24" from the light.
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Ffwp710
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75 and 55
I’m running the lights at 60%
calvin.m16
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Raise temps a bit with lights on if possible, try hitting 80-82 °F and keep humidity at 50-55%.
I would drop lights down to 50% and see if they perk up.
psychadelibud
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Has your issue been resolved since you made this post?? Unless I've missed it, I never seen your input EC and runoff EC? You could very well have salt buildup causing a lockout even if your feeding at 3/4 strength, 1/2 strength, etc. It still happens.
Honestly, I have seen similar issues in coco when the medium was staying too wet (think drenched). I realize you can't really over water in coco, but thats only if you have a completely full established root system. Trust me, try watering a plant (as an experiment) 3 times a day in coco that does not have an established root system and see for yourself. The key is, to water frequently but not over saturate the soil. At least let it dry out near 50% or wait till you have an established root system before you go overboard.
How are they doing now??
Honestly, I have seen similar issues in coco when the medium was staying too wet (think drenched). I realize you can't really over water in coco, but thats only if you have a completely full established root system. Trust me, try watering a plant (as an experiment) 3 times a day in coco that does not have an established root system and see for yourself. The key is, to water frequently but not over saturate the soil. At least let it dry out near 50% or wait till you have an established root system before you go overboard.
How are they doing now??
twentyeight.threefive
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You shouldn’t let coco dry out to 50% ever.
psychadelibud
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You don't want the medium soaking wet until you have a robust root system in place. Its common knowledge and I've been there, done that. Once you have an established root system, at that point I will agree with your statement. I used to have all sorts of issues till I figured this out on my own and multiple friends of mine running massive grow ops on insta follow the same train of technique that I do.
I just did this and now im at day 2 of flower. EC going in is 1.9 coming out at 1.4, that means they are eating and there is no salt buildup. You have to do it right and it works. You'll also develop your root system much faster and healthier.
Guess we can agree to disagree...
psychadelibud
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Keep in mind, I'm not saying you should ever let the coco dry out even near completely... "Dry back" would be a better choice of word.
blueberrymilkshake
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lusidghost
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I agree. Same goes for rockwool and I assume every other medium.
psychadelibud
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Exactly...
twentyeight.threefive
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Coco holds sufficient oxygen even when fully saturated. Why would you need a dry back?
psychadelibud
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Thats what the science and research says... But from experience with trial and error I absolutely swear by drybacks until the root system is fully established. Yes you can still grow nice plants up until that point in coco keeping it fully saturated (before the root system is full) but personally I don't get the vigor and root expansion that I do with drybacks. You have to be careful though not to let it dry back too much obviously or your gonna have issues with salts.
For the last 20 years that I've been growing I have always been very experimental and I like to jump outside of the box probably more often than I should. I have paid the price many times, sure but I have also been very surprised by going against the science (rules). Just like my current grow, I was running ph between 5.8 - 6.0 ish and kept having slight deficiencies. I then raised the ph between 6.3 and 6.6 and the issues disappeared and the plants are beautiful. It's crazy how things work...
In other words, sometimes ya just gotta do what works best for you.
bk78
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You're on your third grow in coco, 3 grows isn’t much trial and error against actual science.
psychadelibud
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And your point? Should I keep doing the things that didn't work or the things that do work??? I never said what works for me works for everyone. I have been in soiless media off and on for the last 20 years, they are different but they are also similar in many ways.
I will keep doing what makes my plants happy, otherwise what would be the point???
psychadelibud
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This is actually my 4th grow in coco, not that it really matters.
I think I recently made a post that stated I was on my third grow in coco but this is actually my 4th. It really don't matter, its definitely not my first or second and I have learned a lot between here and there.