January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

DIY-HP-LED

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trump is just a buffoon that is more useful to the democrats now than he is to the republicans...
the real threats that DOJ should be dragging into court already are all the senators, representatives, state attorney generals, election commissioners, and republican county level officials that aided and abetted the plot to keep trump in office illegally.
get rid of them, and the entire republican plan falls the fuck apart...
They will go after some of them, the fake electors and white house crowd, however the congressmen and senators are best left to an independent special counsel. That is why the law was created, we are talking Ken Starr superpowers here, applied to GOP senators and congressmen! It is not just used against philandering presidents who get blowjobs in the oval office from ambitious interns, how quaint!
 

GoatSoup

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Put Navarro's ass in a crack and squeeze him for his list of 100 Congress Critters who supported his Green Bay Sweep. THe J6th Committee should subpeona all of them to explain why they would support this seditious conspiracy. Better if they started with Gym Jordan,Kevin McCarthy, and Mo Brooks then worked their way thru the list.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Eight days since that man supposedly tampered with a witness. The absence of news breeds uncontrolled worries.

El sueño de la razón produce monstruos.

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DIY-HP-LED

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Eight days since that man supposedly tampered with a witness. The absence of news breeds uncontrolled worries.

Il sueño de la razón produce monstruos.

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They want Donald running around for as long as they can, he is a nightmare for the GOP, especially when they spook him into announcing and holding rallies like a fake candidate who is 2 years out from being a real one. Georgia will get him first for a TV trial that should cause him to turn on the republicans. We will see, but winning in November is far more important than timely justice for Donald, though that will come.
 

cannabineer

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They want Donald running around for as long as they can, he is a nightmare for the GOP, especially when they spook him into announcing and holding rallies like a fake candidate who is 2 years out from being a real one. Georgia will get him first for a TV trial that should cause him to turn on the republicans. We will see, but winning in November is far more important than timely justice for Donald, though that will come.
Yeah but I thought (I heard Kirschner say) that witness tampering is one of those act-at-once things. How long does it take to get an arrest warrant for such a serious crime (from a judge not appointed by a suspect)?!

btw I fixed the definite article
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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wishful thinking but

what if this were the part of the event where the sea pulls way, way back …

it seems to me that August through October is a great time to insert a growing number of subpoenas, indictments and other broomsticks into the overthrow party’s spokes. Like water that just keeps coming.

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my concern is that if the republicans get a majority in one or both houses this November, which is up in the air as far as i can tell, then they will do everything they can possibly do to scuttle the whole j6 investigation, they will try to impeach Biden, they will carry out as many revenge investigations as they can, they will do everything they can do to make sure the democrats never get back in power.
if they get a majority in 22, they'll get rid of Garland in 24 and appoint a lackey who will just refuse to prosecute anyone they don't want prosecuted...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
my concern is that if the republicans get a majority in one or both houses this November, which is up in the air as far as i can tell, then they will do everything they can possibly do to scuttle the whole j6 investigation, they will try to impeach Biden, they will carry out as many revenge investigations as they can, they will do everything they can do to make sure the democrats never get back in power.
if they get a majority in 22, they'll get rid of Garland in 24 and appoint a lackey who will just refuse to prosecute anyone they don't want prosecuted...
A great deal can happen to hurt the GOP brand between now and November. Currently they’re about even, and the attention from the hearings (of which I wager there will be more) is a negative for the GOP, a party already driven to crime to retain voters.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Yeah but I thought (I heard Kirschner say) that witness tampering is one of those act-at-once things. How long does it take to get an arrest warrant for such a serious crime (from a judge not appointed by a suspect)?!

btw I fixed the definite article
It is a sure sign they are holding back for a reason and I figure they want him tried on TV in Georgia first, most likely indicted before the election at least. He knows the republicans who will be testifying against him at his trial, they will have been through a grand jury or two already. If the prosecution does not complain the judge probably won't gag him, unless the witnesses complain and if he doesn't STFU he goes to jail.
 

cannabineer

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It is a sure sign they are holding back for a reason and I figure they want him tried on TV in Georgia first, most likely indicted before the election at least. He knows the republicans who will be testifying against him at his trial, they will have been through a grand jury or two already. If the prosecution does not complain the judge probably won't gag him, unless the witnesses complain and if he doesn't STFU he goes to jail.
I think that the need to deal positively and quickly with threats to witnesses overrides all this tactical musing.

And if we weren’t snowblind from six other impossible excursions of political authority*, the corruption just exposed in the Secret Service would dominate the headlines for
weeks, or until they started getting red meat from the trials.

*or excursions into complete dishonest just-so nonsense that then does not get the swift hammer all our schoolteachers told us would come as the consequence. The illusion is that we are a society under the rule of law got crushed by that man and his dirty dozen running scot-free more than 18 months after they televised their Federal crimes.

Our police turning into right-wing militia isn’t helping dispel this awful realization. The Jesus Taliban can taste it: they have a shot at the big one.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think that the need to deal positively and quickly with threats to witnesses overrides all this tactical musing.

And if we weren’t snowblind from six other impossible excursions of political authority*, the corruption just exposed in the Secret Service would dominate the headlines for
weeks, or until they started getting red meat from the trials.

*or excursions into complete dishonest just-so nonsense that then does not get the swift hammer all our schoolteachers told us would come as the consequence. The illusion is that we are a society under the rule of law got crushed by that man and his dirty dozen running scot-free more than 18 months after they televised their Federal crimes.

Our police turning into right-wing militia isn’t helping dispel this awful realization. The Jesus Taliban can taste it: they have a shot at the big one.
I dunno the reasons, I'm just trying to make sense of it all using the simplest explanation that fits the facts, Occam's razor stuff. I figure they are being pragmatic, not moral and are bending ethics a bit, but not the law trying to keep the house and get an effective majority in the senate. Once that happens (if), it will be a whole new ballgame and a nightmare for the GOP.

Flipping some red states over crazy abortion shit would be nice too. A massive ground game by women volunteers and a massive database of voters to systematically go through is what they really need, boots on the ground and a clipboard or better yet tablet computers in hand. Stacy Abrams trained thousands of women across America in how it's done and it would be inexcusable not to do it in all 50 states. Register the 1/3 of American who don't vote, mostly the young, motivate them, call them on election day and drive them to the polls and provide lawn chairs and porta potties at polls if required. They need to do what the republicans do and are good at, hitting the bricks, meeting and greeting. They should know every single voter in their districts and how they are likely to vote, if they are registered and if they vote. P and why not. Politics is local and there are plenty of those offices to run for too, rat fuck the republicans. They should be able to raise an army of women volunteers, their basic human rights are on the line, so motivation should be easy.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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As Prosecution Rests Its Case Against Bannon, Months Of Bravado And Bluster Come To A Head
45,487 views Jul 21, 2022 Federal prosecutors on Wednesday rested what they argue is a pretty straightforward contempt of Congress case against former Trump adviser Steve Bannon after calling just two witnesses. Dave Aronberg joins Morning Joe to discuss.
 

printer

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Retired generals, admirals in op-ed: Trump’s Jan. 6 actions were ‘dereliction of duty’
Former President Trump’s actions during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection constituted a “dereliction of duty” that endangered American democracy, a group of seven retired four-star generals and admirals said in a New York Times op-ed Thursday.

“When a mob attacked the Capitol, the commander in chief failed to act to restore order and even encouraged the rioters,” the former military leaders, who served Democratic and Republican presidents, wrote.

In the op-ed, retired four-star Gens. Peter Chiarelli, John Jumper and Johnnie Wilson and retired Adms. James Loy, John Nathman, William Owens and Steve Abbot called out Trump for his inaction on Jan. 6 and consideration of using the military in schemes leading up to that day.

Ahead of Jan. 6, the op-ed authors wrote, Trump’s allies “urged him to hold on to power by unlawfully ordering the military to seize voting machines and supervise a do-over of the election,” flouting the balance of civilian control of the military.

When Trump did not call the National Guard to respond with the Capitol under siege, he ignored an “urgent need” for his intervention, the retired generals and admirals argued.

“The president and commander in chief, Donald Trump, abdicated his duty to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution,” they wrote. And in doing so, he “tested the integrity” of civilian control of the military “as never before, endangering American lives and our democracy.”

The group called on military leaders to enhance training on the chain of command and civilian-military leadership balance. They also implored civilian leaders, “including, most important, the commander in chief,” to be committed to those principles.

“The lesson of that day is clear. Our democracy is not a given. To preserve it, Americans must demand nothing less from their leaders than an unassailable commitment to country over party — and to their oaths above all.”

Wilson was commanding general of the U.S. Army Materiel Command, and Owens was vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under former President Clinton.

Chiarelli was vice chief of staff of the U.S. Army under former President Obama. Nathman was head of U.S. Fleet Forces Command under Bush and worked with Obama on his 2008 campaign. He has spoken out against Trump before.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Lawrence: James Murray Is The Problem At The Secret Service
401,887 views Jul 21, 2022 NBC News is reporting that members of the Secret Service were told at least three times to preserve text messages and communications on their agency phones. MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell breaks down the new developments and explains how the problems at the Secret Service may go all the way to the top.
 

Bagginski

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Retired generals, admirals in op-ed: Trump’s Jan. 6 actions were ‘dereliction of duty’
Former President Trump’s actions during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection constituted a “dereliction of duty” that endangered American democracy, a group of seven retired four-star generals and admirals said in a New York Times op-ed Thursday.

“When a mob attacked the Capitol, the commander in chief failed to act to restore order and even encouraged the rioters,” the former military leaders, who served Democratic and Republican presidents, wrote.

In the op-ed, retired four-star Gens. Peter Chiarelli, John Jumper and Johnnie Wilson and retired Adms. James Loy, John Nathman, William Owens and Steve Abbot called out Trump for his inaction on Jan. 6 and consideration of using the military in schemes leading up to that day.

Ahead of Jan. 6, the op-ed authors wrote, Trump’s allies “urged him to hold on to power by unlawfully ordering the military to seize voting machines and supervise a do-over of the election,” flouting the balance of civilian control of the military.

When Trump did not call the National Guard to respond with the Capitol under siege, he ignored an “urgent need” for his intervention, the retired generals and admirals argued.

“The president and commander in chief, Donald Trump, abdicated his duty to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution,” they wrote. And in doing so, he “tested the integrity” of civilian control of the military “as never before, endangering American lives and our democracy.”

The group called on military leaders to enhance training on the chain of command and civilian-military leadership balance. They also implored civilian leaders, “including, most important, the commander in chief,” to be committed to those principles.

“The lesson of that day is clear. Our democracy is not a given. To preserve it, Americans must demand nothing less from their leaders than an unassailable commitment to country over party — and to their oaths above all.”

Wilson was commanding general of the U.S. Army Materiel Command, and Owens was vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under former President Clinton.

Chiarelli was vice chief of staff of the U.S. Army under former President Obama. Nathman was head of U.S. Fleet Forces Command under Bush and worked with Obama on his 2008 campaign. He has spoken out against Trump before.
Failure to faithfully execute the oath of office…over, and over, and….
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Retired generals, admirals in op-ed: Trump’s Jan. 6 actions were ‘dereliction of duty’
Former President Trump’s actions during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection constituted a “dereliction of duty” that endangered American democracy, a group of seven retired four-star generals and admirals said in a New York Times op-ed Thursday.

“When a mob attacked the Capitol, the commander in chief failed to act to restore order and even encouraged the rioters,” the former military leaders, who served Democratic and Republican presidents, wrote.

In the op-ed, retired four-star Gens. Peter Chiarelli, John Jumper and Johnnie Wilson and retired Adms. James Loy, John Nathman, William Owens and Steve Abbot called out Trump for his inaction on Jan. 6 and consideration of using the military in schemes leading up to that day.

Ahead of Jan. 6, the op-ed authors wrote, Trump’s allies “urged him to hold on to power by unlawfully ordering the military to seize voting machines and supervise a do-over of the election,” flouting the balance of civilian control of the military.

When Trump did not call the National Guard to respond with the Capitol under siege, he ignored an “urgent need” for his intervention, the retired generals and admirals argued.

“The president and commander in chief, Donald Trump, abdicated his duty to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution,” they wrote. And in doing so, he “tested the integrity” of civilian control of the military “as never before, endangering American lives and our democracy.”

The group called on military leaders to enhance training on the chain of command and civilian-military leadership balance. They also implored civilian leaders, “including, most important, the commander in chief,” to be committed to those principles.

“The lesson of that day is clear. Our democracy is not a given. To preserve it, Americans must demand nothing less from their leaders than an unassailable commitment to country over party — and to their oaths above all.”

Wilson was commanding general of the U.S. Army Materiel Command, and Owens was vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under former President Clinton.

Chiarelli was vice chief of staff of the U.S. Army under former President Obama. Nathman was head of U.S. Fleet Forces Command under Bush and worked with Obama on his 2008 campaign. He has spoken out against Trump before.
shame we cannot court-martial national command authority.
 
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