Is Biden really that bad?

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NYCBambu

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First it is Pelosi's job to determine the composition of any committee, as it is the job of any house speaker. The idea behind the J6 panel was to get to the facts and Mitch approves, Cheney works for him and the party establishment and he wants rid of Trump, but needs to keep his suckers. The panel has two republicans and more could have joined, but didn't need the grief or right wing death threats.
Who makes all these thousands of death threats?
Who supports and associates with such terrorists?
Who attacked the capitol?
Look the whole panel is a fix you just said it all in a nutshell, its Pelosi who hand picks the panel. Cheney isnt even a real republican anymore, Wyoming GOP kicked her out. I watched the entire Jan. 6th video, over 2 hours. There was no attack just a lack of communication and security. People in the front were slowly let into the building. They filed in like it was a concert. After they got in it looked like a photo op to me. No burning, no looting, no graffitti. Things got out of hand in the back of the building because nobody knew what was going on. Sure there were some handfuls of idiots there doing radical shit, no doubt. But there were over 50,000 people there and like 20 security guards. If that was supposed to be a true takeover, weapons would have to be involved. There were none, maybe a few scattered self defense weapons. Just ordinary citizens out there, nobody went there for a takeover. No weapons to speak of, no military.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Why focus on employers when we just need some border control? Nobody says we dont need any migrants, but it cant be a free for all. Otherwise what you say will happen, will. They will take over. Is that what you want?
First what yer doing is not working, so repeating things that don't work is stupid. So focus on employers, these people come for economic opportunity and employers offer it. Put enforcement onto the citizens, who have an obligation to obey the law and not with thousands of government agents working for the deep state. Increase legal immigration, but republicans are against that too, since the people would be even browner and better educated.

As for replacement, the changing demographics and skin tones, it makes no difference at all, we won't be around to witness it. We live in multicultural societies these days and when people come here from abroad, the internet and air travel allow them to maintain their culture and connections to their home country's and family's, they won't assimilate as they once did, even their kids. People used to get off the boat and leave the old country behind, now they can go back home for weddings, follow soccer on the internet and TV from back home in their language. Globalism and multiculturalism are the future, not much you or I can do about it, you'd best make your peace with it and move on.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Privately held yes, mostly by democrats. All major networks aside from fox, all democrat owned. The days of objective reporting are long gone.
CNN is owned by warner brothers...they give donations to both, although they do slightly favor democrats...
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/warnermedia-group/C00339291/candidate-recipients/2018

msnbc is owned by comcast, who also gave money to both sides, but favors republicans
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/comcast-corp/C00248716/candidate-recipients/2018

ABC is owned by Disney, who are a democratic entity...
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/walt-disney-co/summary?id=d000000128

CBS is owned by Paramount Global, which again, gives to both, but does seem to favor democrats
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/viacomcbs-inc/totals?id=D000000190

politico is owned by Axel-springer, a German company that hasn't made any political contribution in America....

so it looks pretty bipartisan to me, a couple of hard right sites in fox, owan, and breitbart, a couple of hard left sites, and some that split the difference....

so try again...make up a new reasons republicans suck and can't win on a level playing ground
 

NYCBambu

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First what yer doing is not working, so repeating things that don't work is stupid. So focus on employers, these people come for economic opportunity and employers offer it. Put enforcement onto the citizens, who have an obligation to obey the law and not with thousands of government agents working for the deep state. Increase legal immigration, but republicans are against that too, since the people would be even browner and better educated.

As for replacement, the changing demographics and skin tones, it makes no difference at all, we won't be around to witness it. We live in multicultural societies these days and when people come here from abroad, the internet and air travel allow them to maintain their culture and connections to their home country's and family's, they won't assimilate as they once did, even their kids. People used to get off the boat and leave the old country behind, now they can go back home for weddings, follow soccer on the internet and TV from back home in their language. Globalism and multiculturalism are the future, not much you or I can do about it, you'd best make your peace with it and move on.
I dont understand your position. First you say let them all in, then you say to crack down on employers in order to disincentivize. Broadbrushing is never a good idea, not all republicans are racist.
 
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hanimmal

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First thing that comes to mind is covid. What do you think Trump did wrong? How was he unfit? Every country in the world got it. Then when Joe took over, Alpha was gone. That was the strain killing people. Now here we are 2 years later, still full of mandates and vaccine requirements that have nothing to do with Alpha. Do you know what the death toll is for Omicron? Joe ran on a platform of beating covid, but could not even stock the shelves with test kits.
Trump went wrong when he tried to play it down while he knew it was serious. Then double downed by selling snake oils like Hydroxichlorawhatever and pushing quack doctors into prominence while lying to his cult. Then to top it off, when he finally does push to pass a Covid relief bill, it is full of ways that his cronies were able to defraud the public.

And as for the lie about nt being able to get tests, I have gotten them easily and for free every time I ordered them.

Then when Joe took over, Alpha was gone. That was the strain killing people. Now here we are 2 years later, still full of mandates and vaccine requirements that have nothing to do with Alpha. Do you know what the death toll is for Omicron? Joe ran on a platform of beating covid, but could not even stock the shelves with test kits.
It is not Biden's fault that right wing propagandists brainwashed a good 30% of the public into their death cult refusing to take the vaccine. As for the rest I call bullshit on your bro science.


Look up Joes executive orders on Jan. 21st 2021. He declared war on US energy by halting all new oil and gas leases on federal land. He is also on record saying he will end fracking. Joe says oil should be completely gone in 50 years.
So that they could sit on the new leases like they did the hundreds of others that they are currently?

Trump in April 2020:




Which just happens to coincide with the decrease in oil production, that has not rebounded yet because why would it, when oil companies are reaping record profits and doing less work?



But it doesn't matter to the Trump cult, they will pretend like somehow a pipeline that wasn't even built yet and wouldn't move oil for years is the real reason that gas prices spiked like good little cucks.

Just look at the results. You may not like trump because he was an asshole. But he gave us stable borders, cheap gas, stable inflation, no new wars, tougher laws against animal abusers, restored funding to black colleges, strong stock market, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years.
Bullshit, Trump sold you lies that made his cult think that he did to distract from his selling us out to our foreign advisories. Trump was ripping babies out of their moms arms, pushed us into a situation that led to the greatest job losses in American history, said that our troops just had a couple 'headaches' when Iran bombed them, and embolden domestic terrorists to attack our capital while triggering year long violent protests.

And then acted like a spoiled brat and refused to allow Biden to have a smooth transition by having his political appointees go without intel briefings, and funding, and constant roadblock after roadblock with these trolls just waiting to do their part to screw the Biden administration.

And Trump increased the debt by what 7 trillion in 4 years? Talk about inflationary pressure. It is a shame that virtually none of that money went into making America stronger.

What did Biden give us? Highest inflation in 40 years. Highest overdose death toll on record. More dead on drugs than covid.
the largest investment in our infrastructure and now the boost to American micro chip manufacturing, lots of new support for vets in need of help, the best vaccine rollout in the world (that Trump did shit all with), a highly competent cabinet that is not just there to troll the other side like Pompeo, Barr, Whitaker, and every other shit head Trump appointed. He also has the UN (our allies) actually working together and no longer laughing (literally not figuratively) at us, and so much more that has been drowned out by the constant shit that Biden has had to clean up (and has done time and again).

Inflation is a pain in the ass too, no question. But when the alternative was to let the economy burn like the Republicans have done repeatedly, so that the rich dick heads paying them off can dump a shit ton of employees and buy up all those distressed properties when the working class ended up bankrupt.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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None of this makes Joe Biden a good president,, none. Its also just another witch hunt. Not one good republican even on the panel! Joe cant even run his own family right. Who films themselves smoking crack? The man is truly disturbed.

they asked for republicans on the panel, and the republicans sent jim jordan and jim banks...seriously? two monkeys that would have done nothing but try to turn the hearings into a 3 ring circus to hide trump's guilt, and their own guillt? they were involved in the acts being investigated for fucks sake, McCarthy really thought they would be accepted? and then to pull his other picks like Cartman taking his ball and going home, because he couldn't get his two hand picked trouble makes on the committee? that isn't the democrats fault, that is republicans shooting themselves in the foot, FIVE TIMES....
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Yes he did, Biden changed the law on immigration, says anyone can seek asylum. Thats why we are seeing record numbers.

the Biden administration is leaving trumps border policy in place for now\
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-kept-trump-era-border-policy-place-that-was-mistake-allies-say-2021-07-07/
seeking asylum isn't citizenship, or even an open ticket into the country...underthe same policy they kept from the trump administration, most asylum seekers have to stay in Mexico till their case is decided
 

hanimmal

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the Biden administration is leaving trumps border policy in place for now\
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-kept-trump-era-border-policy-place-that-was-mistake-allies-say-2021-07-07/
seeking asylum isn't citizenship, or even an open ticket into the country...underthe same policy they kept from the trump administration, most asylum seekers have to stay in Mexico till their case is decided
Minus the whole ripping babies out of parents arms thing, while also trying to clean up another one of Trump's horrifying messes.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A Biden administration effort to reunite children and parents who were separated under President Donald Trump’s zero-tolerance border policy has made increasing progress as it nears the end of its first year.

The Department of Homeland Security announced Thursday that 100 children, mostly from Central America, are back with their families and about 350 more reunifications are in process after it took steps to enhance the program.

“I would have loved to have this happen much more quickly. But we are making progress and I feel like we’re gaining momentum,” said Michelle Brané, executive director of the administration’s Family Reunification Task Force.

President Joe Biden issued an executive order on his first day in office to reunite families that were separated under the Trump administration’s widely condemned practice of forcibly separating parents and children at the U.S.-Mexico border to discourage illegal immigration.

Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas thanked community organizations for helping to locate and contact family members as he announced the program’s milestone on Twitter. “We have a lot more work to do,” he wrote. “We are dedicated to finding every family and giving them the chance to reunite and to heal.”

The work of the task force has been complicated by a number of factors, including inadequate or missing records on the separated families, the sheer number of cases and the fact that many parents are in remote Central American communities and were unable to track down their children or get to the United States to retrieve them.

In September, the task force had reunited 50 families when the administration announced a partnership to speed up the effort with the International Organization for Migration. A web portal — Juntos.gov or Together.gov — was created for parents to contact the U.S. government and work through the reunification process.

About 5,500 children were forcibly removed from their parents under Trump, mostly in 2018. His administration was seeking to stop an increase in people crossing the U.S.-Mexico border by resorting to criminal prosecutions, even if the migrants were presenting themselves to authorities to seek asylum as permitted under the law.

Amid widespread condemnation, including from Republicans, Trump stopped the practice in June 2018 just days before a judge ordered an end to the program in response to a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union.

Brané said in an interview ahead of Thursday’s announcement that officials believe there are still about 1,150 children whose whereabouts have not been confirmed. The total fluctuates as some cases are resolved with new information and new ones emerge, including some who have reached out through the new web portal.

“Obviously, this is nowhere near the end,” Brane said. “This is just the beginning of this ramp up and hopefully families will see that reunifications are happening and they will feel confident coming forward.”

Reunited parents and children, including some who arrived at U.S. airports this week, are being granted humanitarian parole to reside in the country for a minimum of three years, and may pursue permanent status through asylum or another program. They are also receiving counseling services.

Hundreds of families have also filed lawsuits against the federal government.

The Justice Department last week told lawyers representing several groups of families that it was withdrawing from settlement negotiations, after eight months of talks, and would defend each case in court.

That came after media reports of a proposed settlement that would include payments of several hundred thousand dollars to each affected person sparked outrage among Biden administration critics in Congress and elsewhere.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Look the whole panel is a fix you just said it all in a nutshell, its Pelosi who hand picks the panel. Cheney isnt even a real republican anymore, Wyoming GOP kicked her out. I watched the entire Jan. 6th video, over 2 hours. There was no attack just a lack of communication and security. People in the front were slowly let into the building. They filed in like it was a concert. After they got in it looked like a photo op to me. No burning, no looting, no graffitti. Things got out of hand in the back of the building because nobody knew what was going on. Sure there were some handfuls of idiots there doing radical shit, no doubt. But there were over 50,000 people there and like 20 security guards. If that was supposed to be a true takeover, weapons would have to be involved. There were none, maybe a few scattered self defense weapons. Just ordinary citizens out there, nobody went there for a takeover. No weapons to speak of, no military.
Let's see what the courts say, some have already plead guilty to seditious conspiracy and many more will be. Many of those at the capitol were dupes and are being treated that way, with mercy.
 

NYCBambu

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Trump went wrong when he tried to play it down while he knew it was serious. Then double downed by selling snake oils like Hydroxichlorawhatever and pushing quack doctors into prominence while lying to his cult. Then to top it off, when he finally does push to pass a Covid relief bill, it is full of ways that his cronies were able to defraud the public.

At the time, there were doctors pushing for the use of oxychloroquin. It wasnt like some kind of marketing ploy like Trump Steaks. Desperate times called for desperate measures. Nobody could have seen it coming or done much better.

And as for the lie about nt being able to get tests, I have gotten them easily and for free every time I ordered them.

It was not a lie in Long Island NY, shelves were bare. I do not make stuff up.

It is not Biden's fault that right wing propagandists brainwashed a good 30% of the public into their death cult refusing to take the vaccine. As for the rest I call bullshit on your bro science.

These people have no clue about the science, they're the same people who had us wiping down our groceries. Same people that said kids were immune, same people that said it would stop the spread, all lies.


So that they could sit on the new leases like they did the hundreds of others that they are currently?

Trump in April 2020:




Which just happens to coincide with the decrease in oil production, that has not rebounded yet because why would it, when oil companies are reaping record profits and doing less work?



But it doesn't matter to the Trump cult, they will pretend like somehow a pipeline that wasn't even built yet and wouldn't move oil for years is the real reason that gas prices spiked like good little cucks.


Bullshit, Trump sold you lies that made his cult think that he did to distract from his selling us out to our foreign advisories. Trump was ripping babies out of their moms arms, pushed us into a situation that led to the greatest job losses in American history, said that our troops just had a couple 'headaches' when Iran bombed them, and embolden domestic terrorists to attack our capital while triggering year long violent protests.

And then acted like a spoiled brat and refused to allow Biden to have a smooth transition by having his political appointees go without intel briefings, and funding, and constant roadblock after roadblock with these trolls just waiting to do their part to screw the Biden administration.

And Trump increased the debt by what 7 trillion in 4 years? Talk about inflationary pressure. It is a shame that virtually none of that money went into making America stronger.


the largest investment in our infrastructure and now the boost to American micro chip manufacturing, lots of new support for vets in need of help, the best vaccine rollout in the world (that Trump did shit all with), a highly competent cabinet that is not just there to troll the other side like Pompeo, Barr, Whitaker, and every other shit head Trump appointed. He also has the UN (our allies) actually working together and no longer laughing (literally not figuratively) at us, and so much more that has been drowned out by the constant shit that Biden has had to clean up (and has done time and again).

Inflation is a pain in the ass too, no question. But when the alternative was to let the economy burn like the Republicans have done repeatedly, so that the rich dick heads paying them off can dump a shit ton of employees and buy up all those distressed properties when the working class ended up bankrupt.

Say whatever you want about energy policy, the actual prices speak for themselves. And Biden actually wants to take credit for lowering prices to 450 a gallon!
 

hanimmal

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Say whatever you want about energy policy, the actual prices speak for themselves. And Biden actually wants to take credit for lowering prices to 450 a gallon!
You really are so blind that you can't see when the oil production was cut? So you double down with the stupid shit and pretend like prices going up 'speak for themselves' like a good little cuck.

I will say this, there is a argument that if Biden would have continued with the shit planning for the vaccine rollout, and tens of millions of Americans did not feel safe going back to work or going back to their normal lives, gas prices would have likely stayed low since people would not have been using gas nearly as much.

But I for one am happy that Biden did not let our economy rot like Trump and the Republicans did.


Funny how nobody cares about kids in cages now. (Same cages that Joe built under obama.)
Sure they do, but the right wing propaganda media are too busy scaring you all with 'the Mexicans are coming' nonsense for you to pay attention to it.

Nice old lie though. There is a huge difference in detaining families together and ripping kids away from their parents with no actual way to keep track.
 

Fogdog

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At last, a voice of reason. You are the only guy in here that has any clue about whats going on. Kudos to you. The rest of you are just full of hate for Trump and could not care less what Biden is doing. Nor do you have any clue. You have made some good points, I will counter.

First thing that comes to mind is covid. What do you think Trump did wrong? How was he unfit? Every country in the world got it. Then when Joe took over, Alpha was gone. That was the strain killing people. Now here we are 2 years later, still full of mandates and vaccine requirements that have nothing to do with Alpha. Do you know what the death toll is for Omicron? Joe ran on a platform of beating covid, but could not even stock the shelves with test kits.

As for inflation, what you say about first year presidents is usually true. But this time Joe made it a point to reverse current energy policy. This was basically declaring war against the oil companies, calling for no new drilling on federal land. From that day on, gas prices have gone up steadily, long before the Russian war began. You cant blame Trump for inflation and pretend Joes executive orders never happened. What executive orders? Orders to stop all new federal drilling in favor of climate change. We are a gas based society, its impossible to transition overnight. The same people who tell us to cut back on ac use in the summer because it may overload the electrical grid, are pushing electric cars on us. Meanwhile there are only 6,000 charging stations nationwide. Only a short time ago we had energy independence, higher exporting of oil than importing. Joe killed the Keystone pipeline and energy independence in America.
His response to covid was to claim all sorts of different falsehoods. "It's just like the flu", It's just going to go away", "HCQ is a magical cure" and on and on and on. All deflections. Meanwhile he attacked the people who were recommending the only means to reduce the severity of the epidemic and the infected unmasked spread the disease faster than a vaccine could be developed. His response was ignorant and his behavior was defensive of his obvious ignorance. And so, here we are. over a million dead, 97 million sickened, something like 20 million stricken with long covid many of whom will never work again. These are losses that are not only tragedies but also recessionary and inflationary in their effect on the economy. The epidemic was going to come to the US. It was going to affect us. How badly is an open question but I can definitively say that Trump's ineptitude made it worse. Some say everything over 100,000 dead can be laid at Trumps feet,

Regarding the first year. lulz at your deflection to the false narrative of energy policy. That stupid pipeline wouldn't even have come on line by now, so, no, it wouldn't have stopped the price rise on gas. Regarding licenses for drilling on federal land. There are something like 20,000 unused licenses just waiting for drilling. What Biden is doing is preventing a land grab, not stifling the oil industry from drilling. In any case, the oil companies will sell to the highest bidder. Our price rises at the pump are due to profit taking by oil companies. I'm not in favor of price controls. Are you? Because, with the price rises world wide for oil, the US consumer is competing with Europe for that oil and in order to compete, we will have to pay more.

My point is that all of the factors leading up to this inflation began during Trump's administration and Trump did nothing to mitigate them. Or maybe he did. What did Trump do to prepare for the shock when economies started to open up and supply chains were not ready for it? Biden had nothing to do with that. The ruse you bought into regarding energy is just that. It's a false narrative. And, yeah, there aren't enough charging stations. Why didn't Trump's administration begin to address that?

I'll say it again. ALL of the factors that lead to high inflation took place during Trump's administration. The effects of a bungled response to the epidemic, choked supply chains and Putin's aggression on Ukraine.

That said, Biden is accountable for getting inflation under control. The second year saw inflation rise from 7% to 9%. It also seems that a recession is under way. I'm looking to see what he's doing to address those two issues. I think there are signs that these issues have already reached their peak but am waiting to see if the data, which always lags, confirms that.

Republicans are shit when it comes to their performance as presidents. Small wonder. They believe that government is the problem and not the solution. I'd say they are correct but modify the statement. Republican government is the problem and Democrats have always been the solution to what they caused. It's been that way since 1992.
 
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NYCBambu

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You really are so blind that you can't see when the oil production was cut? So you double down with the stupid shit and pretend like prices going up 'speak for themselves' like a good little cuck.

I will say this, there is a argument that if Biden would have continued with the shit planning for the vaccine rollout, and tens of millions of Americans did not feel safe going back to work or going back to their normal lives, gas prices would have likely stayed low since people would not have been using gas nearly as much.

But I for one am happy that Biden did not let our economy rot like Trump and the Republicans did.



Sure they do, but the right wing propaganda media are too busy scaring you all with 'the Mexicans are coming' nonsense for you to pay attention to it.

Nice old lie though. There is a huge difference in detaining families together and ripping kids away from their parents with no actual way to keep track.

Look its not a secret. Joe Biden declared war on the oil companies to appease the radical left climate freaks. I hope you guys are happy. I am still waiting for someone to tell me why Joe Biden is a good president. So far not one single thing. Economy has negative growth 2 straight quarters, thats a recession. Trump brought us the best economy we had in 50 years! Your vaccine program is a failure, its not even a vaccine.
 

hanimmal

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Look its not a secret. Joe Biden declared war on the oil companies to appease the radical left climate freaks. I hope you guys are happy. I am still waiting for someone to tell me why Joe Biden is a good president. So far not one single thing. Economy has negative growth 2 straight quarters, thats a recession. Trump brought us the best economy we had in 50 years!
Keep on trolling man, you are a waste of time.


 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Say whatever you want about energy policy, the actual prices speak for themselves. And Biden actually wants to take credit for lowering prices to 450 a gallon!
just more illustration of how ignorant you are...trump pissed off pretty much the entire middle east, trying to play them off of each other, when he had no fucking clue of the dynamics between them, and making endless insulting statements he didn't even realize were insulting...
they turned their backs on him, using him when it served their purposes, and he thought he was in control of the situation... :lol:
and once again, Biden had to clean up trump's dirty diaper, apologize for his insults, kiss a murderer's ass because trump refused to do a goddamn thing about him....in short, just like every other situation trump was involved in, Biden has to spend time fixing his fuckups, time that could have been spent making actual progress, instead of fixing another trump fuck up
 
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