Is Biden really that bad?

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cannabineer

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I assume you don't read the Atlantic? This story was before the election. The trumpf team has never been too smart. They talked about the plan publicly. Folks talked to reporters about it. The plan all along was to say they won when the early results were in, and try to stop the counting of early and mail votes.

And you guys bought it. If people kept lying to me, I would stop believing what they said after a while.

There is a cohort of close observers of our presidential elections, scholars and lawyers and political strategists, who find themselves in the uneasy position of intelligence analysts in the months before 9/11. As November 3 approaches, their screens are blinking red, alight with warnings that the political system does not know how to absorb. They see the obvious signs that we all see, but they also know subtle things that most of us do not. Something dangerous has hove into view, and the nation is lurching into its path.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/
Paywall. Did they identify the something dangerous?
 

Fogdog

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Recession? What Recession? President Joe Biden is managing this economy with a steady and expert hand.

The people who are complaining are either lying or they are somehow losing out. The US economy is not in recession despite the unfounded belief of others.


US Employers Add 528,000 Jobs, Defy Recession Fears
Defying anxiety about a possible recession and raging inflation, America’s employers added a surprising 528,000 jobs last month.
 
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injinji

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Paywall. Did they identify the something dangerous?
I am able to read one once in a while. But the trumpf team know they were most likely going to lose. So their plan was to stop the counting while just the votes cast the day of the election, (which is GOP heavy) were counted. trumpf's rants against the mail vote (and covid-19) made the difference even larger than normal.

Here is a video that was part of the story. It hits the high points.

 

injinji

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Mexico is heating faster because of all the friction on the ground. It is caused by migrants fleeing the country.


I am sorry but there is no way on earth anybody is going to convince me that voter ID is racist. All students have ID, all people on disability also have ID. I never met anybody in my life without one, because you cant get a job or an apartment without ID. Cant open a utility or a bank account either. Anybody on welfare gets a state ID too, so no I dont get it. I would like to know who all these poor ghosts we are protecting are(the ones with no ID and no ID access).

Its not only the voting polls and machines, its also the no ID required mail in voting, a free for all. If there really was a serious lack of ID, and democrats truly wanted a fair and honest election....the issue would be addressed in Joe Bidens next spending package. We both know that will never happen, and we both know there is no reason on earth anybody who wants to vote cant get an ID. ID is not making it harder to vote, it is preserving the integrity of the election. There is no reason for anybody not to want this(both blue and red) unless you want to preserve the ability to cheat.
Most migrants are from Central America. Two bad hurricanes and just the mess that drug transshipment causes are the main causes.


I'm not here to convince you. I'm just pointing out the way the world works. Did you catch the old GOP guy who died, and his daughter released his papers to the public? He outlined just what the ID laws were for. To make voting harder. Poor people in general are already having a harder time than not poor people. The main reason is they move a lot. When that postcard is sent from the SOE office, and they have moved, they don't get it. So on election day when they go to vote, they may be off the rolls.

Which states have mail in vote without an ID to register? There were only a handful of cases of voter fraud. Most of them were men voting their dead wife's or mother's ballot for trumpf. But there was no wide spread fraud. None.

States control their own voting laws. Joe Rob did try to pass a law safeguarding voting rights, but the GOP shut it down in the senate.
 

NYCBambu

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I assume you don't read the Atlantic? This story was before the election. The trumpf team has never been too smart. They talked about the plan publicly. Folks talked to reporters about it. The plan all along was to say they won when the early results were in, and try to stop the counting of early and mail votes.

And you guys bought it. If people kept lying to me, I would stop believing what they said after a while.

There is a cohort of close observers of our presidential elections, scholars and lawyers and political strategists, who find themselves in the uneasy position of intelligence analysts in the months before 9/11. As November 3 approaches, their screens are blinking red, alight with warnings that the political system does not know how to absorb. They see the obvious signs that we all see, but they also know subtle things that most of us do not. Something dangerous has hove into view, and the nation is lurching into its path.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/
Its almost as if the left needs to reserve its right to cheat. There is no reason for an equal amount of mail in ballots as physical ones, and certainly no reason for it to take days or weeks to count the ballots. When there are that many, the cheating becomes obvious. From the atlantic:

"Something has to give, and many things will, when the time comes for casting, canvassing, and certifying the ballots. Anything is possible, including a landslide that leaves no doubt on Election Night. But even if one side takes a commanding early lead, tabulation and litigation of the “overtime count”—millions of mail-in and provisional ballots—could keep the outcome unsettled for days or weeks."

Enough with secret mail in balloting, there is no reason to hide from your vote. The time has come for everybody to come clean and identify themselves. Put a serial number on every ballot, require ID, and the free for all will come to an end.
 

NYCBambu

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Most migrants are from Central America. Two bad hurricanes and just the mess that drug transshipment causes are the main causes.


I'm not here to convince you. I'm just pointing out the way the world works. Did you catch the old GOP guy who died, and his daughter released his papers to the public? He outlined just what the ID laws were for. To make voting harder. Poor people in general are already having a harder time than not poor people. The main reason is they move a lot. When that postcard is sent from the SOE office, and they have moved, they don't get it. So on election day when they go to vote, they may be off the rolls.

Which states have mail in vote without an ID to register? There were only a handful of cases of voter fraud. Most of them were men voting their dead wife's or mother's ballot for trumpf. But there was no wide spread fraud. None.

States control their own voting laws. Joe Rob did try to pass a law safeguarding voting rights, but the GOP shut it down in the senate.
I appreciate the effort, but thats hard to believe. Are these people unable that moved unable to fill out a change of address card at the post office? That would forward their mail like anybody else. Theres no way to know whats fraud and whats not when you cant even identify what person belongs to what ballot. Any mail in ballot can be fake. You want that?

The immigrant thing is really out of control, hurricane or no hurricane. Something has to be done. Texas governor is bussing them to NY and Washington DC.
 

injinji

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. . . . . . . . . . There is no reason for an equal amount of mail in ballots as physical ones, and certainly no reason for it to take days or weeks to count the ballots. . . . . .
1M dead from covid-19. States make their own election laws. The reason it took so long to count is many of the states do not allow the counting of early or mail votes until after the election.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Its almost as if the left needs to reserve its right to cheat. There is no reason for an equal amount of mail in ballots as physical ones, and certainly no reason for it to take days or weeks to count the ballots. When there are that many, the cheating becomes obvious. From the atlantic:

"Something has to give, and many things will, when the time comes for casting, canvassing, and certifying the ballots. Anything is possible, including a landslide that leaves no doubt on Election Night. But even if one side takes a commanding early lead, tabulation and litigation of the “overtime count”—millions of mail-in and provisional ballots—could keep the outcome unsettled for days or weeks."

Enough with secret mail in balloting, there is no reason to hide from your vote. The time has come for everybody to come clean and identify themselves. Put a serial number on every ballot, require ID, and the free for all will come to an end.
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NYCBambu

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1M dead from covid-19. States make their own election laws. The reason it took so long to count is many of the states do not allow the counting of early or mail votes until after the election.
All those deaths were from 2 years ago, whats your point? Thats why counting took so long I guess. States still should not need weeks to count votes, thats bullshit too. If anything, mail in votes should have to arrive before election day, along with their ID.
 

injinji

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. . . . . . . . . . . . Theres no way to know whats fraud and whats not when you cant even identify what person belongs to what ballot. Any mail in ballot can be fake. . . . . . . . .
They do that. They can't look at the ballot to see how they voted, but each mail ballot envelope has to be signed. They compare to see if the signature matches before it goes into the pile.

You have put your faith in folks who are lying to you. The fact that you don't see it says more about you than the folks who are taking advantage of you.
 

injinji

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All those deaths were from 2 years ago, whats your point? Thats why counting took so long I guess. States still should not need weeks to count votes, thats bullshit too. If anything, mail in votes should have to arrive before election day, along with their ID.
The election was two years ago. I was countering your assertion that there was no reason for so many mail votes. Thinking folks thought it was safer to stay away from crowds.

Over seas mail vote have ten days after the election to arrive. I guess you want the votes of active duty service members to not count?
 

doublejj

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Mexico is heating faster because of all the friction on the ground. It is caused by migrants fleeing the country.


I am sorry but there is no way on earth anybody is going to convince me that voter ID is racist. All students have ID, all people on disability also have ID. I never met anybody in my life without one, because you cant get a job or an apartment without ID. Cant open a utility or a bank account either. Anybody on welfare gets a state ID too, so no I dont get it. I would like to know who all these poor ghosts we are protecting are(the ones with no ID and no ID access).

Its not only the voting polls and machines, its also the no ID required mail in voting, a free for all. If there really was a serious lack of ID, and democrats truly wanted a fair and honest election....the issue would be addressed in Joe Bidens next spending package. We both know that will never happen, and we both know there is no reason on earth anybody who wants to vote cant get an ID. ID is not making it harder to vote, it is preserving the integrity of the election. There is no reason for anybody not to want this(both blue and red) unless you want to preserve the ability to cheat.
voter suppression is cheating. which party is promoting less voters?.....
 

NYCBambu

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They do that. They can't look at the ballot to see how they voted, but each mail ballot envelope has to be signed. They compare to see if the signature matches before it goes into the pile.

You have put your faith in folks who are lying to you. The fact that you don't see it says more about you than the folks who are taking advantage of you.
I feel the same way. Its easy to be on the side that I am on when democrats have become the party of crime, illegal immigration, LGBT, and 17 sexes. On voting, I feel like you are lying just to defend your party. Deep down you know its a free for all, but you dont care. As long as you win.
 

Fogdog

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Another take on the July Jobs report:

U.S. labor market defies recession fears as job growth surges in July
  • Nonfarm payrolls increase 528,000 in July
  • Unemployment rate falls to 3.5% from 3.6% in June
  • Average hourly earnings rise 0.5%; up 5.2% year-on-year
  • Participation rate falls to 62.1% from 62.2% in June
The author quotes an analyst who makes a good point regarding the effect these results have on another key issue for voters, inflation.

"If the U.S. economy is in a recession, no one seems to have told employers," said Sarah House, a senior economist at Wells Fargo in Charlotte, North Carolina. "We suspect this data will give the Fed the confidence it needs to push ahead aggressively with its fight against inflation."

Like most Republicans today, @NYCBambu hates this country and wants it to fail so they can replace our democracy with a dictatorship.


What they need is a good thrashing.
 

doublejj

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I feel the same way. Its easy to be on the side that I am on when democrats have become the party of crime, illegal immigration, LGBT, and 17 sexes. On voting, I feel like you are lying just to defend your party. Deep down you know its a free for all, but you dont care. As long as you win.
homophobe much.....leave gay people alone. The republicans have become the party of NO. so much for freedoms.
 

NYCBambu

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The election was two years ago. I was countering your assertion that there was no reason for so many mail votes. Thinking folks thought it was safer to stay away from crowds.

Over seas mail vote have ten days after the election to arrive. I guess you want the votes of active duty service members to not count?
I just want a free and fair election, thats all. Whatever it takes to get it done. This time around it wont be a shit show with the mail in voting.
 

hanimmal

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I feel the same way. Its easy to be on the side that I am on when democrats have become the party of crime, illegal immigration, LGBT, and 17 sexes. On voting, I feel like you are lying just to defend your party. Deep down you know its a free for all, but you dont care. As long as you win.
Free for all? Isn't that how voting should be?

What you are implying is that people are cheating (and there of course are several examples of Trump cultists sending in their dead moms vote). But pretending that to have your vote by mail application sent to you, then you fill it out and send it back to then receive your mail in ballot and then have to send it back in again, is somehow going to lead to mass cheating is asinine.

I just want a free and fair election, thats all. Whatever it takes to get it done. This time around it wont be a shit show with the mail in voting.
Bullshit. Mail in voting is safe and effective. I did it for the first time last year and plan on never having to go vote in person again.
 
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