Autoflowers In Tall Grow Bags

[Marq1340]

I swear I've seen claims about taller grow bags being better for autoflowers from people on the form, and I've been searching for maybe a week now and can't find those threads anywhere. A little help please?

I'm not having any problems with growing decent sized flowers In the current pots I use(imo)or anything, I'm more curious whether it's a myth or fact.

 

[VincenzioVonHook]

I think it comes from the old wives tale that autos start flowering when the taproot hits the bottom of the pot, and some believed that a taller pot would delay flower.

If that was true my autos would flower at day 7 when they root out the bottom of their 4" starter pots.

 

[Marq1340]

I think it comes from the old wives tale that autos start flowering when the taproot hits the bottom of the pot, and some believed that a taller pot would delay flower.

If that was true my autos would flower at day 7 when they root out the bottom of their 4" starter pots.

Right. I never understood that argument, but there has to be a noticeable difference between an auto grown in a wider pot vs a taller one, right?

 

[Fallguy111]

Right. I never understood that argument, but there has to be a noticeable difference between an auto grown in a wider pot vs a taller one, right?

I'd say its volume of soil not the shape of the pot. Coco/ hydro done right can get big harvests.

 

[Marq1340]

I'd say its volume of soil not the shape of the pot.

I wouldn't doubt that more soil would have a more direct effect on growth than shape.

I've heard 5 gallons is the maximum recommended size for autos and that anything more is likely a waste, so a 15 gallon tall pot with a similar circumference doesn't have any other benefit? Health, growth?

 

[TCH]

I wouldn't doubt that more soil would have a more direct effect on growth than shape.

I've heard 5 gallons is the maximum recommended size for autos and that anything more is likely a waste, so a 15 gallon tall pot with a similar circumference doesn't have any other benefit? Health, growth?

Not sure what thread it was in but someone recently posted up their rootball from an auto either from a 5 or 7 gallon pot and it was full, so it kind of busted that myth for me. That said, I've seen all different sizes of autos so it probably, like anything growing pot related, it depends on genetics and environment.

 

[Creature1969]

Not sure what thread it was in but someone recently posted up their rootball from an auto either from a 5 or 7 gallon pot and it was full, so it kind of busted that myth for me. That said, I've seen all different sizes of autos so it probably, like anything growing pot related, it depends on genetics and environment.

Did they cut the rootball in half so you could see all the empty space inside? Roots will naturally spread as far as possible. This is why 3 gallon is the usual recommended size for autos. General rule is 1 gallon per month of grow with soil for this reason. There are advantages to a larger pot with autos but its a waste of meduim/ feed imo.
I get a pretty consistant outcome growing in 1 gallon coffee cans and a wide 2 gallon (3 gallon folded down) where the 1 gallon wll result in a taller, thinner plant and the wide pot produces a shoter, wider plant. Not a huge difference but noticable. Yield is always about the same. Taller pot usually results in a more stable plant needing less support though.
Again, this is my experience with autos in coco dtw.

 

[TCH]

Did they cut the rootball in half so you could see all the empty space inside? Roots will naturally spread as far as possible. This is why 3 gallon is the usual recommended size for autos. General rule is 1 gallon per month of grow with soil for this reason. There are advantages to a larger pot with autos but its a waste of meduim/ feed imo.
I get a pretty consistant outcome growing in 1 gallon coffee cans and a wide 2 gallon (3 gallon folded down) where the 1 gallon wll result in a taller, thinner plant and the wide pot produces a shoter, wider plant. Not a huge difference but noticable. Yield is always about the same. Taller pot usually results in a more stable plant needing less support though.
Again, this is my experience with autos in coco dtw.

I don't recall the details. I just remember seeing it in passing. It would definitely be interesting to see the differences in rootballs

 

[Marq1340]

Not sure what thread it was in but someone recently posted up their rootball from an auto either from a 5 or 7 gallon pot and it was full, so it kind of busted that myth for me. That said, I've seen all different sizes of autos so it probably, like anything growing pot related, it depends on genetics and environment.

True, and there are a bunch of variables, especially with autoflower since you can't clone them in the traditional sense.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

I swear I've seen claims about taller grow bags being better for autoflowers from people on the form, and I've been searching for maybe a week now and can't find those threads anywhere. A little help please?

I'm not having any problems with growing decent sized flowers In the current pots I use(imo)or anything, I'm more curious whether it's a myth or fact.

Trouble with autos is that it’s always from seed. So always a different phenotype. Hard to get accurate results running few plants.

I’d go out on a limb and say a 2ft wide pot 4’ deep would create a different structure to a deeper less circumference pot. But just a guess.

Only way to know would be to run photoperiod clones and note structure/growth rates.

But roots do go down and outwards. Not outwards then down…

 

[Herb & Suds]

My belief is wider pots are better not deep
That is the way trees grow the drip edge always seems to be the size of the plant or beyond
Autos are still a plant

 

[Marq1340]

Trouble with autos is that it’s always from seed. So always a different phenotype. Hard to get accurate results running few plants.

I’d go out on a limb and say a 2ft wide pot 4’ deep would create a different structure to a deeper less circumference pot. But just a guess.

Only way to know would be to run photoperiod clones and note structure/growth rates.

But roots do go down and outwards. Not outwards then down…

Would be cool to watch a few grows with in-depth comparisons. Photos are the way, most things that are true for them are true for autos.

I see a lot more studies being done in the coming years that will debunk or confirm what we call bro science. I'm here to watch it all unfold.

 

[Marq1340]

My belief is wider pots are better not deep
That is the way trees grow the drip edge always seems to be the size of the plant or beyond
Autos are still a plant

I've heard wider pots make for a wider plant and taller ones make taller plants. The search for the sweet spot.


Had no idea what a dripline was till now. Thanks

 

[Marq1340]

While it's unlikely a taller pot will extend the vegging period for an autoflower, maybe it'll add a vigorous vegging period in that same time frame with the added depth.

 

[Dirt_McGirrt]

I wouldn't doubt that more soil would have a more direct effect on growth than shape.

I've heard 5 gallons is the maximum recommended size for autos and that anything more is likely a waste, so a 15 gallon tall pot with a similar circumference doesn't have any other benefit? Health, growth?

Running a 15 gal living soil pot right now. 2 autos going in it same strain.

 

[Marq1340]

Running a 15 gal living soil pot right now. 2 autos going in it same strain.

Nice. So are you transplanting, or do you plan on dropping them in the 15 and leaving them there?


I wonder what is the most someone has transplanted an auto.

 

[Marq1340]

Running a 15 gal living soil pot right now. 2 autos going in it same strain.

I recently grew a single auto in a 25 gallon fabric bed.

 

[Dirt_McGirrt]

The furthest I've gone with transplanting is starting the seeds in root riot plugs, then into coco 4" cups with light warrior, then into final pots. Root riot till very first leaves like the 3 fingers are fully grown and second have started. Coco cup till roots/myco fuzz spots start to appear. I don't transplant either, coco cup goes right into whatever. You shouldn't really transplant like a photo period though. I did the plug to coco cup to final pot for soil, dtw coco/perlite, DWC buckets.

Just started photos to pheno hunt and I'm just going root riot plugs to final pot now. Imo it's watching how the roots are going for "transplanting".

Living soil in the 15 gal. Worms and all. Have an earth box, too. I'm trying to set my large veg tent up to run autos in easily manageable soil and veg photos grown DTW in the coco.

Pic is the Banner auto I ran with some peppers in an earth box. If they all grow like this behemoth I'd only be able to fit one. Peppers got choked the fuck out by it. Wasn't even mad.