Unreliable Products

dr.tomb

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Anyone ever had a string of bad products from a a manufacturer? One offs happen, but when it becomes 10+ items, including "tested" replacements, now that's an issue.

I wish i had found reviews from other growers so i could spend my hard earned money on quality products.

So what companies have you used that are absolutely garbage? Ill start:

Ecospeed LED (Shenzhen Weili Technology Co., Ltd.) on Alibaba. Stay clear of these guys and dont waste your funds.

I ordered 2 800w LED light fixtures. Each fixture has 8 bars of LED lights. After ~7 months i noticed that half a bar was bad and contacted the manufacturer. I turned my dimmable ballast down from 800w (100%) to 640w(80%). I received replacements. I turned the ballast back up, Another bar died. Then another. Then replacements. This started to occur on more and more bars, and even started occurring on replaced bars. I spoke with thr manufacturer and expressed my concerns, only to be met with sales pitches for a newer better product, and even acknowledgement that the product i purchased was a problem plagued item. I asked if I could instead be given a new fixture type, but they declined to send me one, insisting I keep replacing bars and paying shipping. In the end, I took 21 dead bars (over 2 full fixtures) to the recycling depot. Waste plenty of downtime, shipping $ and personal time.

I have since ditched one of the lights to some unfortunate soul (combining all working bars into a full working unit, for how long.. Who knows), but in my defence i needed to recoup some of my costs.

The other remaining ballast i opened and realized the company rebranded another Chinese manufacturer as their own. I purchased new light bars from another company suggested to me on a Facebook grow group.

Since then, i have had zero issues.

The only change was winter to summer and my temp went from consistently ~24*C to ~30*C (i know its hot, but i dont run ac).

It appears that the increase in temperature brought out the unreliability of the product. Even though they are rated far above 30C for working Temperatures.

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obijohn

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Year or so ago I got a few bad bags of Ocean Forest. Was full of wood, and had major issues absorbing water straight out of the bag. Thankfully the only time that happened. Still using Ocean Forest
 

Dividedsky

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Year or so ago I got a few bad bags of Ocean Forest. Was full of wood, and had major issues absorbing water straight out of the bag. Thankfully the only time that happened. Still using Ocean Forest
Ya dude some of those premixed soils could be sketch, remember few years ago like 4 or so roots organic soil definitely had bug larvae such as aphids in it
 
I don't live in the USA but I've had the same experience buying cheap crap from China. I was fortunate to have paid via PayPal. They investigated my complaint and my money was refunded. They also banned the Chinese seller from using PayPal. Lessons learned? Use PayPal and don't buy Chinese garbage. You get what you pay for. Buy quality, it pays off.
 

OldMedUser

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dude promix quality during height of covid pandemic got terrible, there were twigs and wood chips in there. Seems to be back on point though, I run my plants in promix hp with a lot of extra chunky perlite
I bought 8 fresh bales of ProMix HP this spring and the 6 I've used were all fine. The two I bought last year were good as well. I can't see needing more perlite in HP unless you are adding a lot of other stuff that dilutes what's there.

:peace:
 

Herb & Suds

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Promix hp is light on perlite...I usually add 7 - 8 gals od perlite to a bale, helps with drainage
Can you post a pic of the pro mix you are using just the packaging
Because I feel you are using a different product ?
I’ve never seen a single stick or twig in all the years I’ve used it
Covid or not
I use hp which stands for high porosity meaning extra drainage/perlite
 

Dividedsky

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Can you post a pic of the pro mix you are using just the packaging
Because I feel you are using a different product ?
I’ve never seen a single stick or twig in all the years I’ve used it
Covid or not
I use hp which stands for high porosity meaning extra drainage/perlite
Ya i can its just HP....lots of people add extra perlite to it. I got a few bad bales in 2020, I'm in the northeast, remember them having twigs in them. Maybe my local hydro shop got some bad batches, shipping was a huge issue for a bit then i remember. My promix HP is now fine and has been for awhile
 

Kgrim

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Can you post a pic of the pro mix you are using just the packaging
Because I feel you are using a different product ?
I’ve never seen a single stick or twig in all the years I’ve used it
Covid or not
I use hp which stands for high porosity meaning extra drainage/perlite
I use the "cheap" ProMix from Menards, ($14 a bale) while it's not as "clean" as the expensive hydro shop bales, the amount of twigs is negligible, add in a little additional perlite and plants can't tell the difference. I'm running the 3rd season in the swamp boxes, just topping them off before transplant, and my plants are chugging along just fine with a few twigs in there.
 

Dividedsky

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Ya I should have added promix is a reliable company just got a few bales I noticed quality wasn't as good, hasn't happened since. Last pic is opened bale of promix mixed with no perlite added- 2nd pic is with the extra perlite added, as you can see its not a huge difference, I actually probably use a like a lil over 5 gals of perlite #4 to a bale, been using the #4 lately and like that.
 

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dr.tomb

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Unless of course it was disclosed
It wasn't defective when I sold the light. It was a fully working light. It was sold at a huge discount and the buyer low balled the price, so he got himself the deal he paid for. Perhaps in a location with ambient temps ~24c the light will have no issues.

Back to the topic. Ive used plenty of vivosun products, all but 1 have been very good for the price. The exception was the 6" oscillating fan. But to their defence it seems nobody can make a miniature oscillation fan version.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I bought 8 fresh bales of ProMix HP this spring and the 6 I've used were all fine. The two I bought last year were good as well. I can't see needing more perlite in HP unless you are adding a lot of other stuff that dilutes what's there.

:peace:
Yeah, I switched over to Promix HP+ during COVID and while I only bought two bales, they were totally fine (I get mine at a greenhouse supply company, rather than a traditional retail outlet. Call 'em up, request what I want and pull up to the loading dock with my car.)

On the perlite, I guess if you're looking to water more often, adding some would work. As it is for me with 5g bags, I feed or water every 4 days which means I can still hand water and go away for long weekends if needed. If I didn't have stuff like that to do, I might add some extra and knock that back to every other day or every 3 days.
 

PopAndSonGrows

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Vivosun fans are trash, specifically those pole clip oscillators. I bought two, took one apart to fix the other, which also eventually started squealing and the motor burned out.
 
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