Watch out for stretch when using Vitamin B

1littlesoldier1

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Sup guys,
I usually never use anything with B vitamins as it causes stretching in all my plants. Superthrive probably has some in it too cause i have the same problem with it.
I recently added molasses to my mother plants and noticed stretching the next day. Found out the hard way that molasses contains B vitamins. I was disappointed and i am now wondering if it’s just the molasses we have locally here in Montreal or if all molasses contains this crappy ingredient.
Thx
 

1littlesoldier1

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Funny how i just posted this and the next website i go to has this video
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence like the spike in deaths after the V rollout
 

Billy the Mountain

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Sup guys,
I usually never use anything with B vitamins as it causes stretching in all my plants. Superthrive probably has some in it too cause i have the same problem with it.
I recently added molasses to my mother plants and noticed stretching the next day. Found out the hard way that molasses contains B vitamins. I was disappointed and i am now wondering if it’s just the molasses we have locally here in Montreal or if all molasses contains this crappy ingredient.
Thx
Uh, no

At best, a placebo effect
 

Budzbuddha

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Plants use it to maintain microbial processes and lots of veggies have it naturally like broccoli and asparagus . Vitamin B is also is created by bacteria - like the bacteria in compost.

But with any plant supplement- too much of any element creates a antagonist imbalance with other elements. Plants take simple sugar like molasses to increase sugar production in plant and becomes like junk food to bump the microbes in your medium.
 

2cent

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You added something plant liked and a it grew if you wanna stop this sorcery try salt at 50% water or petrol in your feed that will stop stretch
 

ANC

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How have you been using it? To the best of my knowledge, it should only be applied every 10 days or so in stressful times of high heat or when stress is expected.
 

Billy the Mountain

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Vitamin B1 or Superthrive has no demonstrable benefits for plant growth or vigor. It's certainly not responsible for some profound overnight plant growth.

Superthrive was debunked 80 years ago.

Here's but a few citations:

A product that has attained Horticultural Urban Legend status is Vitamin B1. The historical account of Vitamin B1 and the public craze it caused was well told by Rasmussen(1999) and is briefly summarized here. In the 1930’sCaltech’s James Bonner discovered, that Thiamin (vitamin b1) was able to restore growth to pea root tips that had languished in tissue culture. It was concluded to be essential in plant growth media. Bonner later found that B1 had little growth promoting effects on most whole plants in hydroponic culture, but that some plants such as camellia, and cosmos showed dramatic growth increased to added B1 vitamins. Bonner latter discovered that thiamin production was associated with the foliage of growing plants. The hoax was on in 1939 when Better Homes and Gardens magazine ran an article that claimed thiamin would produce five inch rose buds, daffodils bigger than a salad plate and snapdragons six feet tall! In1940, Bonner entered into collaborative research with Merck pharmaceutical company to master the growth promoting effects of B1, account for the wide variability in his experimental results and develop a product that gave consistent good results. Bonner proved during this period that B1 was phloem mobile was made in leaves and transported downward in stems. Bonner’s experiments with Cosmos continued, but with varying results, so he sought cooperative research with University experiment stations around the country. Results were mixed, some showed growth promotion, most not. By 1940,other physiologists widely reported negative results. By1942 Bonner was debunking his own discoveries, stating that the effect only ever occurred in very few plants and that since thiamin was found in soil itself, field applications were unlikely to benefit plants. Bonner ultimately fully retracted his claims of efficacy by saying “It is now certain, however, that additions of vitamin B1 to intact growing plants have no significant or useful place in horticultural or agricultural practice”. The public craze and fanatical headlines about thiamin continued but Merck withdrew all interest and funding in the concept so as to distance itself from a product that does not work.

University of California research on vegetables failed to prove that B1 reduces transplant shock or stimulates root development. Researchers found "no discernible differences in color or vigor among treatments" when B1 and B1 plus iron, manganese, and zinc were used on peppers, pole beans, squash, sweet corn, tomatoes, and watermelons. Elsewhere, studies on chrysanthemums, citrus, and roses have reached similar conclusions."
 

1littlesoldier1

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2Cent, The stretch does not mean that the plants love it, it just means that instead of concentrating on making/growing shoots, it wasted its energy on stem elongation.

ANC, i rarely use it as a drench 2 days prior to chopping my mother plants halfway to get more clones from them on the next batch. Transplanting is not really a stress when you know how to do it properly/carefully

Billy The Mountain, I don’t care what you think, I have seen with my own eyes which is ultimate proof. I know what I see and ALL my plant stems stretch when I give them B Vitamins but the foliage and new shoots don’t develop any faster. To me this is proof that B Vitamins is not good for plants as it modifies the structure of the plant artificially. Maybe I’m silly For using superthrive but I take no chances when I chop half a plant down. Stress will fuck up a plant and it will throw bananas in flower causing seeds.

Thx for trying to educate me, I now Know that thiamine is B1. I just noticed that there is thiamine in the floralicious plus I use on my plants for the added humic/fulvic acid but the plants don’t stretch. I looked at the ingredients in the molasses I used and it says vitamin B6.

I now suspect that B6 causes stretching but not B1. Hmmmm, interesting...
 

Herb & Suds

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2Cent, The stretch does not mean that the plants love it, it just means that instead of concentrating on making/growing shoots, it wasted its energy on stem elongation.

ANC, i rarely use it as a drench 2 days prior to chopping my mother plants halfway to get more clones from them on the next batch. Transplanting is not really a stress when you know how to do it properly/carefully

Billy The Mountain, I don’t care what you think, I have seen with my own eyes which is ultimate proof. I know what I see and ALL my plant stems stretch when I give them B Vitamins but the foliage and new shoots don’t develop any faster. To me this is proof that B Vitamins is not good for plants as it modifies the structure of the plant artificially. Maybe I’m silly For using superthrive but I take no chances when I chop half a plant down. Stress will fuck up a plant and it will throw bananas in flower causing seeds.

Thx for trying to educate me, I now Know that thiamine is B1. I just noticed that there is thiamine in the floralicious plus I use on my plants for the added humic/fulvic acid but the plants don’t stretch. I looked at the ingredients in the molasses I used and it says vitamin B6.

I now suspect that B6 causes stretching but not B1. Hmmmm, interesting...
Superthrive is snake oil
Period
 
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