Atheism & Spirituality

[closet.cult]

I believe in the power of the mind to heal ourselves. I have never had occasion to be ill and use my mind to heal myself, but it makes perfect sense and many sick ones have testified as much.

The reason I believe in the power of mind is precisely because its internal. It's not supernatural...it's natural. If the monks can use meditation to raise their body temperature to sleep without blankets in below zero weather on top of a mountain, they've tapped into a power which is in all of us.

It is gullible to believe just anyone's claims about aids and cancer. But I do not doubt that the power is there. And I'll tell you what, if I was diagnosed with any serious illness, I would immediatlly begin meditation techniques in addition to modern medicine. It is well proven that the mind has power. Why not take every chance you can get?

 

[skunkushybrid]

There are several recorded facts of people healing themselves with thought alone.

Ever gone to battle with a virus? You need to not just conjure up some image of the virus but actually see it inside you. Seek it out, and then destroy it.

both of the AIDS guys were diagnosed, and both cleared themselves of the virus. The doctors could only claim that some sort of error must've happened at the diagnosis.

This is something I have believed for a very long time. Something I even practise from time to time.

 

[preoQpydDlusion]

I think their both liars, or they're just mistaken. AIDS has no cure.

there is no medical cure for AIDS. imagine that the only way for an AIDS victim to be cured was for them to do it urself. what would happen to the medicine industry if it was common knowledge that u could heal urself of viruses and such? what would happen to religion if so much power was attributed to a single human mind? it wouldnt surprise me if this was just being held under wraps by the different organizations that would disintegrate by it getting out.

and if u keep in mind too that most of us eat so much stuff our bodies cant use (processed foods that contain chemicals that are later heated to very high temperatures (cooking) leaving us with damaged fuel for our bodies), our bodies are anchored down to a stretched-out pattern of eating and recuperation that takes alot of effort to maintain.

if u take away useless stress and start fueling urself right ur body will have much more energy. how is it completely unbelievable that people have rid themselves of AIDS?

 

[skunkushybrid]

It has also been proven that taking paracetamol actually causes headaches. I never get headaches that last longer than a few seconds, headaches are bullshit. So too is asthma, another bullshit condition easily solved by your own mind.

Many conditions are actually created by yourself. Some people actually get comfort from having things 'wrong' with them.

 

[preoQpydDlusion]

Some people actually get comfort from having things 'wrong' with them.

everybody ive ever known

 

[skunkushybrid]

everybody ive ever known

Me too, but there are those I've helped see the light.

 

[preoQpydDlusion]

of what light do u speak?

 

[skunkushybrid]

I suppose I'd say it's... a reminder that we are in control of ourselves. It depends on you how far you wish to explore this.

Maybe we have some true power that we are afraid to tap into. When in meditation, often I'll approach something unseen that gives me a little apprehension. I don't know what it is, only that it is something very, very deep. A precarious precipice. Maybe this is the place you go when you die. A sentient nothingness.

 

[preoQpydDlusion]

u mentioned apprehension to it- have u attempted to explore it?
if u have, have u attempted to explore it with a clear mind, not holding back in the least?

i experienced something like this not too long ago, im just now remembering. i actually thought i was going to do something really bad to myself by not resisting to this weird feeling i was getting at the time. i dont remember much tho. maybe it wasnt even similar to what ur talking about...

 

[skunkushybrid]

u mentioned apprehension to it- have u attempted to explore it?
if u have, have u attempted to explore it with a clear mind, not holding back in the least?

No. The apprehension is only minimal as I will not go there... I believe it is death.

 

[preoQpydDlusion]

No. The apprehension is only minimal as I will not go there... I believe it is death.

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im pretty sure i kno what ur talking about. in all honesty, it was a pretty big night for me. i cant remember what happened after i pushed but my head doesnt work the same anymore.

the times uve questioned me when i say im not afraid of death. consider this my proof.

"its only after weve lost everything that were free to do anything"

 

[skunkushybrid]

...
"its only after weve lost everything that were free to do anything"

Yet we must be alive to do it.

What I'm describing might help describe sudden death syndrome, or dying from old age. Do people just suddenly die, or do they decide to?

 

[4theist20]

how is it completely unbelievable that people have rid themselves of AIDS?

Preo - Because there is no cure for AIDS.

Skunk - I have athsma, there is nothing bullshit about it. There is nothing bullshit about any of those medical conditions. To say that they are 'all in the head' is just being ignorant.

Show EVIDENCE to support your claims.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Preo - Because there is no cure for AIDS.

Skunk - I have athsma, there is nothing bullshit about it. There is nothing bullshit about any of those medical conditions. To say that they are 'all in the head' is just being ignorant.

Show EVIDENCE to support your claims.

The evidence is within you.

Next time you have an asthma attack, instead of reaching for the inhaler try calming yourself and concentrate on breathing. You are in control of your body.

 

[preoQpydDlusion]

Preo - Because there is no cure for AIDS.

Skunk - I have athsma, there is nothing bullshit about it. There is nothing bullshit about any of those medical conditions. To say that they are 'all in the head' is just being ignorant.

Show EVIDENCE to support your claims.

How do u kno theres no cure for aids?

What the fuck is evidence? there are no real truths about the real world, its all theory. everything u think u kno could be "proven" wrong tomorrow. what would u do? maybe u should open ur mind a little more and question things. like the definitions of "EVIDENCE" and "medical condition".

how many times have u been hospitalized because of serious asthma attacks? i was with a girl not too long ago that had been 7 times, the attacks were happening increasingly often when i met her. one day when we were out an attack was triggered and she wasnt carrying an inhaler. she called her mom and they went to their family doctor.

while we waited for her mom tho, we sat on this hill. i had her in my arms (my chest to her back) and i was breathing real deep and slow. by the time her ma showed the girl was completely fine (not that it took her mom took forever, they usually made a big deal about this stuff. took her maybe 10 minutes). later that night she told me when she concentrated on my heartbeat and breathing it was easy to calm down. she told herself she wasnt scared so she didnt struggle and choke, and like i said by the time her mom got there she was breathing normally again.

last time i spoke to her she hasnt been hospitalized since.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Thanks preo'... I have 'cured' a few (3) people of asthma using similar techniques. It's as though they suddenly believe they cannot breathe. If they haven't got the 'magical' inhaler this can lead to them panicking, making the attack more severe. It really is very easy to conquer asthma. My gf hasn't suffered an attack in 8 years, neither has her brother. I also 'cured' a friend of mine of his affliction too. This is not bullshit, which is how I know asthma is.

 

[4theist20]

How do u kno theres no cure for aids?

What the fuck is evidence? there are no real truths about the real world, its all theory. everything u think u kno could be "proven" wrong tomorrow. what would u do? maybe u should open ur mind a little more and question things. like the definitions of "EVIDENCE" and "medical condition".

There is no cure for AIDS. Doesn't take a fuckin' genius to realize this.

And please... I'm not into that whole, bullshit scene, 'What's real?' What is evidence?' 'How do we all know we're not just dreaming?' I call that shit 'Stoner philosphy' Because you asked stupid rhetorical queastions about the meaning of 'life' and 'being' when you get fucked up on some good herb. I love when people tell me to 'open my mind' It's a nice way of saying 'Just believe everything I tell you and don't bother investigating the validity of my claims.'

I have been hospitalized once as a child. I too have faught off athsma attacks without my inhaler. It doesn't mean I have ever CURED myself of athsma though! Jesus fuckin' Christ.

You would think with all the gifted intelligent learned Doctors and physicians in the world, many of whom devote their entire careers to fighting athsma, SOMEONE would have figured out that all you needed to do was tell the patients to calm down. LOL!!! Why don't you guys go write a couple of books. 'Dr. Preo's and Dr. Skunks CURE for athsma!' I'm sure you'll make millions.

The sad thing is if people actually believed in this shit, and stopped taking their medication, eventually they would scar up their lungs and have an even harder time fighting for air.

 

[skunkushybrid]

Asthma is in your head. This is why doctors cannot cure it. My gf is very athletic, works out every day. Since I told her that it was all bullshit she's never suffered another attack, neither has her brother.

Also you cannot say that there is no cure for aids, merely that one hasn't been found. Really you should say no KNOWN cure.

It is we that are in control of our bodies. Do you not think it possible that we could control our immune systems just as we do our arms or legs? As a baby it takes time to learn to move the hands properly, takes practise. If you never investigate the possibility that we have greater control over ourselves than we generally perceive then you will live in constant ignorance.

I find it difficult to believe myself... not the asthma, that's an easy one... I'm talking about the true power we have, that I KNOW we have. Maybe it takes evolution, but maybe evolution takes practise.

 

[Chiceh]

There is no cure for AIDS. Doesn't take a fuckin' genius to realize this.

And please... I'm not into that whole, bullshit scene, 'What's real?' What is evidence?' 'How do we all know we're not just dreaming?' I call that shit 'Stoner philosphy' Because you asked stupid rhetorical queastions about the meaning of 'life' and 'being' when you get fucked up on some good herb. I love when people tell me to 'open my mind' It's a nice way of saying 'Just believe everything I tell you and don't bother investigating the validity of my claims.'

I have been hospitalized once as a child. I too have faught off athsma attacks without my inhaler. It doesn't mean I have ever CURED myself of athsma though! Jesus fuckin' Christ.

You would think with all the gifted intelligent learned Doctors and physicians in the world, many of whom devote their entire careers to fighting athsma, SOMEONE would have figured out that all you needed to do was tell the patients to calm down. LOL!!! Why don't you guys go write a couple of books. 'Dr. Preo's and Dr. Skunks CURE for athsma!' I'm sure you'll make millions.

The sad thing is if people actually believed in this shit, and stopped taking their medication, eventually they would scar up their lungs and have an even harder time fighting for air.

Wow, if people actually stopped taking their medications ll together, the drug companies would loose money. They have cures for so many diseases, but they make more money treating them rather that curing them. If you are well, you won't take medicines.

 

[ozstone]

Fuckin some heavy shit goin on in here, wow there are other people like me out there that believe in conspiracy theories when it comes to Disease, Illness, mind control and a whole lot of other shit. I dunno about asthma being bullshit tho, doesnt it have something to do with little air sacks not workin, but I do believe that its presence is a by product of some wierd ass shit that a Government Agency from who knows where put stuff in our water or air to create an epedemic capable of inducing massive and sustainable profits for pharmaceutical companies.
So too is Aids-
1982 -31 people were diagnosed with HIV now 40 million people w/wide are infected, what better way to control the population of mostly undesirable,unproductive and umoralistic sections of the wider community (Drug Users, Third World Citizens and Gay's)
Unfortuanately there are others who become infected ( Casualties of War)

I should say right now I hold no personal dislike for any of the above.

Just my two cents worth, I just believe there is more to our existance and shit goin on around us than the Intelligentsia would have us really believe.

Oz