Supersoil VS Liquid fertilizer

[Blackketch]

Hello, for some time now I have been enticed by the idea of moving away from liquid fertilizers and would like to start approaching the world of super soil. I am about to buy a complete kit from lurpenatural with super soil (Charcoal, Bone Meal, Dolomite, Herb Blend, Azomite®, Kelp, Rock Dust, Diatomaceous Earth, Sugar, Yeasts, Humic and Fulvic Acids.
Includes test tube with Rhizobacteria, Mycorrhizal Fungus and Trichoderma spp.) with top dress, compost tea for flowering and one for vegetative, humus and an oxygenation kit.
First what is missing from this kit? do you have anything to recommend? also as a brand I mean (consider that I live in europe).
I am doing this for a better product and to save time but quite a few people have told me that anyway the yield will be less than a cycle with liquid fertilizers.
Can any good man please elucidate me? I thank you guys in advance.

 

[pahpah-cee]

I skipped the azomite and just went with Basalt rock dust. Azomite has a lot of Aluminum (not bad unless your soil ph is 4.5 or lower). Just didn’t want it in my soil.

 

[Blackketch]

I think everything is already mixed in separate sachets! Thanks for the tip though, I would have never come to that conclusion! if I get it I will look for a 4.5 or lesser earth. What about yield? can you give me some information?

 

[Fallguy111]

I followed coots super soil recipe and it was a bit too hot for my liking. If I was going to only water it'd work but I like to top dress and feed teas so I'd go half strength. I'd rather feed a deficient plant then wonder if somethings locked out.

 

[Blackketch]

so you say that if I want to proceed with teas and top dress I have to halve the recipe on the package? if I had time I would follow some recipes from scratch but alas I am obliged to proceed with kits and momentarily (at least in Europe) it seems to me the most suitable company. But again...I'm evaluating on the yield argument so if you can answer me I'll clarify my ideas

 

[Fallguy111]

so you say that if I want to proceed with teas and top dress I have to halve the recipe on the package? if I had time I would follow some recipes from scratch but alas I am obliged to proceed with kits and momentarily (at least in Europe) it seems to me the most suitable company. But again...I'm evaluating on the yield argument so if you can answer me I'll clarify my ideas

I only say for me it was a bit hot. I'd recommend following the recipe, see for yourself, and then adjust from there.

 

[myke]

Yield is determined by size, light and health of plant. Salts or organic will work well as long as you don't mess it up.

 

[Coldnasty]

Hello, for some time now I have been enticed by the idea of moving away from liquid fertilizers and would like to start approaching the world of super soil. I am about to buy a complete kit from lurpenatural with super soil (Charcoal, Bone Meal, Dolomite, Herb Blend, Azomite®, Kelp, Rock Dust, Diatomaceous Earth, Sugar, Yeasts, Humic and Fulvic Acids.
Includes test tube with Rhizobacteria, Mycorrhizal Fungus and Trichoderma spp.) with top dress, compost tea for flowering and one for vegetative, humus and an oxygenation kit.
First what is missing from this kit? do you have anything to recommend? also as a brand I mean (consider that I live in europe).
I am doing this for a better product and to save time but quite a few people have told me that anyway the yield will be less than a cycle with liquid fertilizers.
Can any good man please elucidate me? I thank you guys in advance.

I want to do the same but I’m limited by pot size. Are you doing at least 15 gallon pots ?

 

[2cent]

I do coots and too dress and teas and bennies and ferments it’s all fine the key is worms coot had millions they sort it all I noticed without worms plants slower and yes burns can come worms worms worms worms worms and then ur fine

 

[Syntax747]

damn .. I was planning on skimpin out on the red wigglers this next go around.

 

[GrodanLightfoot]

Bone meal and limestone in the same mix.. Too much carbonate for me. It's like pouring nutrition and bud quality down the drain. The soil company won't tell you that. Soil labs won't either. When your shit's all puffy, crinkly, twisted leathered, bluegray and burnt, you can thank all those cheap organic inputs.

damn .. I was planning on skimpin out on the red wigglers this next go around.

I'm gonna need more evidence before dumping crawlies into my closet. I've tried worm castings at 10% volume, didn't do anything but imbalance my soil and introduce weird bugs. There was zero positive. The whole concept is kind of oxymoronic. The worms would leave if the soil wasn't already healthy. The soil isn't healthy because of them. Can anyone explain this backwards concept?

Worms are for fishing!

 

[PadawanWarrior]

I'm gonna need more evidence before dumping crawlies into my closet. I've tried worm castings at 10% volume, didn't do anything but imbalance my soil and introduce weird bugs. There was zero positive. The whole concept is kind of oxymoronic. The worms would leave if the soil wasn't already healthy. The soil isn't healthy because of them. Can anyone explain this backwards concept?

Worms are for fishing!

You're in the wrong sub-forum if you're dissing EWC or red wigglers.

 

[2cent]

You're in the wrong sub-forum if you're dissing EWC or red wigglers.

Exactly no ewc is bad google ewc is better than ANY manure horse cow or what ewc has everything all wrapped in sexy oil jackets ready to be used

Dam look up the organic quick fixfor any problem

ewc slurry is the fix all deficiency’s and if in doubt add kelp too
@PadawanWarrior is spot on
Organic without worms is like trying to drive a car without wheels
The petty will spin the hubs fast but until them wheels are on You ain’t going nowhere

 

[Fallguy111]

I followed coots super soil recipe and it was a bit too hot for my liking. If I was going to only water it'd work but I like to top dress and feed teas so I'd go half strength. I'd rather feed a deficient plant then wonder if somethings locked out.

I apologize I meant subcools supersoil recipe. I do use the basic coots recipe to make my soil, works perfect. But using subcools recipe to make "supersoil" is what left it a bit hot. At the end of the day I'm using coots soil and Dr earth.

 

[Blackketch]

Yield is determined by size, light and health of plant. Salts or organic will work well as long as you don't mess it up.

Well sure I rely on that for sure but I was reading that without liquid fertilizers the vegetative is a bit slower etc.. and I was wondering if , since I use a nice setup of fertilizers from advanced nutrients at the moment, I could get the same benefits that liquid fertilizers individually give. I grow for me and quality suicurably matters but since I can't get decent weed so easily I focus on getting the most out of each cycle and so far I have found a balance and I wouldn't want to mess it up for convenience. They also have a higher cost than buying the usual liquids since I buy them already mixed

 

[Blackketch]

I want to do the same but I’m limited by pot size. Are you doing at least 15 gallon pots ?

No, I honestly didn't think I needed to use larger pots.... I was going ahead with some 25lt (6.6 gallons) and I couldn't use bigger ones! Why at least 15 gallons?

 

[Blackketch]

I do coots and too dress and teas and bennies and ferments it’s all fine the key is worms coot had millions they sort it all I noticed without worms plants slower and yes burns can come worms worms worms worms worms and then ur fine

Thank you very much! I will add them to the list.
I have to tell you the truth-I'm very scared of burning everything because I won't be the one administering individually. I've been seeing recipes and things like that for years, and it's basically like Russian roulette if you don't know what you're doing in detail.... I'm going with a leading company in the industry because I'd like to avoid doing shit if I don't know what and why I'm doing it.

 

[Blackketch]

I apologize I meant subcools supersoil recipe. I do use the basic coots recipe to make my soil, works perfect. But using subcools recipe to make "supersoil" is what left it a bit hot. At the end of the day I'm using coots soil and Dr earth.

Don't worry, I'll take a look at it now as well even though I'd like something ready to use at the moment....

 

[Leeski]

Organics is very forgiving less is more you can always topdress as and when needed ewc will soon become your best friend good luck op on your journey down the rabbit hole of organics
Edit - would also recommend adding malted barley to party

 

[Mos Eisley]

make sure you add zirconium silicate to the mix!