Help me understand Organic vs. Chemical grows.

Funkentelechy

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Sorry, my bad. I mixed you up with friendly gardener. Please show me where I made fun of you.
No problem man, I mix people up here all the time. What does the laughing guy emoji mean when used after a statement, were you not laughing at my statement? I wasn't making a joke.
There is a difference in flavor, organic vs non-organic, whether you prefer the flavor of one vs the other is up to you, it's your grow you do you, but there is a difference.
 

speedwell68

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So you don't think a plant grown with nutes that include fulvic acid will taste any different vs plants grown without fulvics? The plant absorbs fulvic acid in addition to the nutes, so why do you assert that such an addition would not affect flavor? It does affect the flavor and quality of peppers, so why not cannabis?

Down the years I have done all sorts of silly comparisons and in my experience most of this makes very little difference to the end result. Especially when people claim they can tell the difference between weed grown in different mediums, they can't.
 

Funkentelechy

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Wait we’re sensitive, but you think a laughing emoji is making fun of you?
I am sensitive this is the only social media I do so I'm not used to the way people talk to each other here. But, in this case, I was actually just genuinely confused why what I had said was controversial in any way. Different inputs affect the way weed, vegies, meat anything we raise tastes. Is this not established fact?
 

Blue brother

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So you don't think a plant grown with nutes that include fulvic acid will taste any different vs plants grown without fulvics? The plant absorbs fulvic acid in addition to the nutes, so why do you assert that such an addition would not affect flavor? It does affect the flavor and quality of peppers, so why not cannabis?

I agree with you there mate, I think there are loads of others too that can be added and fine tuned on a pheno to pheno basis that can and does improve yields terps resin etc.

when you look at professional green houses growing tomatoes they allways have specific recipes that get fine tuned
on a smaller scale we have the growers who use the individual macro and micro nutes stuff, have you seen it? It’s usually dry, I know raw do it I think but there’s a couple others I can’t remember off the top of my head.

i swear since I started using silicon in my grow I’ve seen more frost, there’s a few others that are responsible for trichome production, and I believe sulphur is one that pushes terps To their full genetic potential
 

Blue brother

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I am sensitive this is the only social media I do so I'm not used to the way people talk to each other here. But, in this case, I was actually just genuinely confused why what I had said was controversial in any way. Different inputs affect the way weed, vegies, meat anything we raise tastes. Is this not established fact?
I’m sensitive too, spend 5 year around the cunts on here and you’ll have a much thicker skin haha
 

Funkentelechy

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I added sulfur this year after a soil test showed that I was below target values. And it could be the power of suggestion but I feel like there is more smell so far. I grow outdoor so it'll be another month plus before I can compare the flavor, but I found it encouraging. This is the third year in a row that I've grown Purple Hindu Kush BX3 from the same batch of seeds so I can compare, from memory(LOL) anyway, to my previous grows of that strain. I've got other strains going to but I like to grow a few of the same strains each year as an analog to compare the effects of different inputs from year to year.
 

PJ Diaz

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No problem man, I mix people up here all the time. What does the laughing guy emoji mean when used after a statement, were you not laughing at my statement? I wasn't making a joke.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Down the years I have done all sorts of silly comparisons and in my experience most of this makes very little difference to the end result. Especially when people claim they can tell the difference between weed grown in different mediums, they can't.
Have you done the specific "silly" experiment of adding fulvic acid to your hydro vs a straight salts control group?
I added sulfur this year after a soil test showed that I was below target values. And it could be the power of suggestion but I feel like there is more smell so far. I grow outdoor so it'll be another month plus before I can compare the flavor, but I found it encouraging. This is the third year in a row that I've grown Purple Hindu Kush BX3 from the same batch of seeds so I can compare, from memory(LOL) anyway, to my previous grows of that strain. I've got other strains going to but I like to grow a few of the same strains each year as an analog to compare the effects of different inputs from year to year.
Sulfur definitely adds to flavor, but there's a bit of a debate on whether it's increased terps, VSCs, or both:
 

Blue brother

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Have you done the specific "silly" experiment of adding fulvic acid to your hydro vs a straight salts control group?

Sulfur definitely adds to flavor, but there's a bit of a debate on whether it's increased terps, VSCs, or both:
Ah dude that link is great
 

Blue brother

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Buy your own capsules and make 'em. Super easy with not much cost and/or gear needed. You don't even need to infuse, you can use ground decarb in coconut oil and all you need to do is fill the capsule shells.

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I’ve done this before with coconut oil they are super handy to have lying around.

one time my girl got me the stuff and brought back mct oil, woman in the shop convinced her it was the new best thing. So me being an idiot infused it with a load of old hash without reading the caution on the back of the bottle. And one day, we all had covid and I thought “AHA!”, grabs the mixture from the fridge, fills a 30ml syringe of it and squirted it straight down my throat, biggest mistake ever! I kid u not I turned fucking red, coupled with the worst stomach cramps I’ve ever had before shitting myself in my sleep.

apparently ur supposed to start on half a teaspoon per day and up it to 2 teaspoons max once you know your stomach can handle it.

Abit off topic but cool story and a warning to you all
 

Funkentelechy

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It's so weird I smoke pot literally all day, I chain smoke joints and hash but when I eat weed it sends me on a psychedelic trip, it's like I'm on mushrooms. One time me and a buddy were building bee hives, super simple to build basically just a wooded box and we ate some edibles that I had made. My friend is a contractor who builds houses, he and I had a tiny home business together so we know how to build, but we could not assemble a simple box it was ridiculous. We tried over and over and just couldn't figure it out, it was the worst carpentry in my adult life. we ended up with a bunch of weird trapezoids and parallelograms, even the bees didn't know what to do with them.
 

LeastExpectedGrower

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I’ve done this before with coconut oil they are super handy to have lying around.

one time my girl got me the stuff and brought back mct oil, woman in the shop convinced her it was the new best thing. So me being an idiot infused it with a load of old hash without reading the caution on the back of the bottle. And one day, we all had covid and I thought “AHA!”, grabs the mixture from the fridge, fills a 30ml syringe of it and squirted it straight down my throat, biggest mistake ever! I kid u not I turned fucking red, coupled with the worst stomach cramps I’ve ever had before shitting myself in my sleep.

apparently ur supposed to start on half a teaspoon per day and up it to 2 teaspoons max once you know your stomach can handle it.

Abit off topic but cool story and a warning to you all
I haven't used MCT for these, mostly because MCT has a higher melting point lower melting point and I'm not sure the capsules won't leak once filled and left at room temps. Coconut oil doesn't do that. I've made a few different strengths, from about 6mg up to about 25mg, so I can have options, one low strength to sleep, a couple to get a little bit of vibe, or go big and be catatonic. It's been a convenient way to do it.


It's so weird I smoke pot literally all day, I chain smoke joints and hash but when I eat weed it sends me on a psychedelic trip, it's like I'm on mushrooms. One time me and a buddy were building bee hives, super simple to build basically just a wooded box and we ate some edibles that I had made. My friend is a contractor who builds houses, he and I had a tiny home business together so we know how to build, but we could not assemble a simple box it was ridiculous. We tried over and over and just couldn't figure it out, it was the worst carpentry in my adult life. we ended up with a bunch of weird trapezoids and parallelograms, even the bees didn't know what to do with them.
Some suggest by using whole decarb rather than stripping the THC out for infusion you get something closer to the effect of smoke/vape. I'm not sure that that's a reality or not.

I've built hive bodies too...but never when high. Mine never come out square anyway. ;) Which is why I work in an office and not on a building site.
 

Friendly_Grower

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TLDR

Do you have a link to your master growing skillz journal that you’ve completed? Or are they still “on hold”?
Follow the link to Organics and to the Famous @Richard Drysift thread Growing along with Dick.
The man is a legend and is currently on vacation but I'm holding down the fort.

The first thing I did when i got a place I could grow in again after ten years of suffering Climate Change in California where it stopped getting cold enough to run a 1K HPS in a small space was to rescue my own strain (that I made) so the first run is a seed run of ten year old seeds. Success. Photos are in the thread.
Then I pushed my growing season to try and grow some bud after that and Po-Po took it while they were here for something else but what can you do? Po-Po is gonna be Po-Po even if you have a legal garden right?
So help yourself to all the pictures I put on the master grower @Richard Drysift thread Growing-A-Long with Dick.
I hope to be a Dick when I grow up so I will be trying to keep it low and wonderful in a Tent this go around. Got 4 "My medical Strain" going right now. The weather has had a hot spike because of the remnants of the Typhoon that hit Alaska pushing the hot West Coast air out to Illinois but they look like they are okay. I'll let them go as slow as they like. I know this strain and if I let them live long they put on for me even if they are mean as F when I am in the room rustling them around and they spray me. OMG Eyes, skin and nose.

Anyway if I can share anything that helps others even a little then I'm doing some payback for all those that helped me all those years ago.
Now if you want to see what and who I was ten twelve years ago online. Sorry I'll not link myself for LEO just to look cool. All I can say is I made it to the top.

Now do I have excellent skills? I wouldn't brag about that however I would say that I feel confident on the basics for sure. After all if we ain't learning things then we are dead.

So sure have a look. Nothing exceptional but then again I don't need to prove anything to anyone.
 

Friendly_Grower

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Bro, it's just a conversation. You made a bold assertion, which I asked you to back up. All you could do was tell me what you think you remember from years ago. If it's not important to you to back up your own claims, that has zero to do with me.

Show me where I made fun of you. I think you are confused. I never said that different inputs can affect flavor, I only questioned your bold statement of the difference between organic and inorganic at a molecular level. My questioning of that seems to have upset you.
Hey Dude just roll with it. Live and Love and forgive and move on.

I mean it has been pointed out how peeps get so butt hurt on Grow Sites that they would murder if they could.
Grow Rage?
Seriously I don't even remember posts very long because I have made tens of thousands in my life.

So Am I pissed off? No not really. It all simply blends into a cacophony of predictable repetition generation after generation. No one is presenting an original thought if you ask me.

Do I know how to wave the red cape of the bull fighter and let dumb asses burn themselves out being dumb asses? Uh Yepperz

In respect to peeps here I am reading and looking for new wisdom. You just can't think you ever know everything.
So peeps don't get all butt hurt on me. I learn from peeps like everyone does or else why would I waste my time? I'm 61 and do you think I need someone's acceptance to feel good about myself? Shit I'm not just out of High school.

The other wisdom I have to share is if you need a friend get a dog.
 

PJ Diaz

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Hey Dude just roll with it. Live and Love and forgive and move on.

I mean it has been pointed out how peeps get so butt hurt on Grow Sites that they would murder if they could.
Grow Rage?
Seriously I don't even remember posts very long because I have made tens of thousands in my life.

So Am I pissed off? No not really. It all simply blends into a cacophony of predictable repetition generation after generation. No one is presenting an original thought if you ask me.

Do I know how to wave the red cape of the bull fighter and let dumb asses burn themselves out being dumb asses? Uh Yepperz

In respect to peeps here I am reading and looking for new wisdom. You just can't think you ever know everything.
So peeps don't get all butt hurt on me. I learn from peeps like everyone does or else why would I waste my time? I'm 61 and do you think I need someone's acceptance to feel good about myself? Shit I'm not just out of High school.

The other wisdom I have to share is if you need a friend get a dog.
Thanks, I don't need a friend and I already have a dog, so I'm good there. I'm a bit younger than you but I've been out of high school for a few decades myself, however that isn't stopping me from continuing my horticulture education, as I've been taking one College hort class each semester for a bit now. Soon enough I'll have another degree which I don't really need.
 

Friendly_Grower

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Thanks, I don't need a friend and I already have a dog, so I'm good there. I'm a bit younger than you but I've been out of high school for a few decades myself, however that isn't stopping me from continuing my horticulture education, as I've been taking one College hort class each semester for a bit now. Soon enough I'll have another degree which I don't really need.
Okay and now what?

I compost and grow organically.
Am I a bad person?
 

bk78

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Thanks, I don't need a friend and I already have a dog, so I'm good there. I'm a bit younger than you but I've been out of high school for a few decades myself, however that isn't stopping me from continuing my horticulture education, as I've been taking one College hort class each semester for a bit now. Soon enough I'll have another degree which I don't really need.
Doggo pics please
 
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