Thug pug genetics anyone?

Dividedsky

Dividedsky

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LeftOurEyes said:
Do you know more specific which sources they use? Can't minerals be considered organic? I thought they consider bat guano an organic mineral which can be OMRI listed. I never looked into it super deep though or if it is technically a mineral or not though.

I have heard that Nectar wasn't 100% organic but I also haven't heard much about which products or sources that they are referencing when saying that so I am curious about it. I was under the impression that none of their sources were salt/petroleum based at least and come from natural sources. Is Nectar's ingredients at least all sourced from naturally occurring processes or are there any synthetic derived products in their stuff?
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in that sense salts nutes are organics as well because they are derived from minerals..that was sourced by nectar themselves I believe
 
LeftOurEyes

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I dunno I get a little confused with the technicality at that point. Azomite and bat guano are both called minerals and omri listed. I thought most salt based fertilizers use petroleum products/byproducts. So if the mineralization process uses organic material and occurs naturally is that what can be omri listed and called organic and nothing using synthetic processes or ingredients? That seems like the big difference to me but I never looked into it too deep.
 
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Dividedsky

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LeftOurEyes said:
I dunno I get a little confused with the technicality at that point. Azomite and bad guano are both called minerals and omri listed. I thought most salt based fertilizers use petroleum products/byproducts. So if the mineralization process uses organic material and occurs naturally is that what can be omri listed and called organic and nothing using synthetic processes or ingredients?
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I'm just talking in terms of generalizations...a plant doesn't know if it's getting N from worms castings or a salt nute...all it knows is its getting N
 
MannyPacs

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LeftOurEyes

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I used cal mag derived from calcium nitrite originally, which most cal mags use but it was killing all the microbes in my soil. I use one now that comes from calcium carbonate and the microbes are fine. The plant absorbes it slower as well but had less signs of deficiencies with lower amounts To me it is crazy saying that the source doesn't matter because I've seen different sources of nutrients have very different effects on the same strains. To each their own though.
 
Dividedsky

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LeftOurEyes said:
I used cal mag derived from calcium nitrite originally, which most cal mags use but it was killing all the microbes in my soil. I use one now that comes from calcium carbonate and the microbes are fine. The plant absorbes it slower as well but had less signs of deficiencies with lower amounts To me it is crazy saying that the source doesn't matter because I've seen different sources of nutrients have very different effects on the same strains. To each their own though.
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I use botincare calmag because I use r/o water...either way-plants do not differentiate between nutrients derived from organic and inorganic fertilizer sources.
 
LeftOurEyes

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You dont get pure calcium in fertilizers though. You get different types like calcium nitrate or calcium carbonate. Plants will accept both but the type does effect your plants differently for sure. The source will determine the type so it does seem like the source should matter.

Calcium Nitrate come from inorganic material.
Calcium Carbonate can come from organic derived material like egg shells or shellfish skeletons.

The plants absorb them at different rates. You tend to need to feed them at different rates. One kills microbe populations and one doesn't.
 
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Foxseeds

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I’ve wondered about the organic vs salts debate is effected by the Ammonium NH4 toxicity.
I was trying to go more organic started using humic acid but noticed the terps were worse that round. When I checked the bottle it was the only source of NH4 in what I used.

www.frontiersin.org

Frontiers | Nitrogen Source Matters: High NH4/NO3 Ratio Reduces Cannabinoids, Terpenoids, and Yield in Medical Cannabis

The N form supplied to the plant, ammonium (NH4+) or nitrate (NO3–), is a major factor determining the impact of N nutrition on plant function and metabolic ...
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Whats good yall, Long time lurker but first time grower.

I have a collection of Thug pug seeds : PBB, Garlic breath 2.0, unicorn poop f2, and road apples. Which do you recommend I grow first?

I'm very stuck on what i should choose for my medium and nutes. Should I go living soil or Coco?

Do any of you have a go to formula and feeding schedule for Gromers gear?

Looking forward to your recommendations!
 
Dividedsky

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CaliRootz88 said:
I ran Peter breath. 3 phenos. Not impressed. no bag appeal, too cheesy all phenos. Not at all what I hoped for coming from PBB and Rabit Hole. Of course this is my experience. Open to what other people find. Share! :mrgreen: :eyesmoke:
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Ya that sucks dude..I'd expect more from a peanut butter breath cross especially when he's using a PBB breeders cut. Gromer's new stuff never really interested me much...not saying the new strains are bad or anything, just seems after the original mendobreath was somehow lost lots moved on to other breeders and strains.

Sure people find some fire phenos in his newer strains but I firmly believe his secret sauce was in the original Mendo-study spewright he was using in his older breath crosses. Even though those beans were regs they flew off the shelves and those older strains we're throwing fire phenos left and right. Thug pug was killing it for a while(2 year span), he hit at the right time and it just so happened it was when a pandemic started and people were home growing and ordering seeds like never before
 
CaliRootz88

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Dividedsky said:
Ya that sucks dude..I'd expect more from a peanut butter breath cross especially when he's using a PBB breeders cut. Gromer's new stuff never really interested me much...not saying the new strains are bad or anything, just seems after the original mendobreath was somehow lost lots moved on to other breeders and strains.

Sure people find some fire phenos in his newer strains but I firmly believe his secret sauce was in the original Mendo-study spewright he was using in his older breath crosses. Even though those beans were regs they flew off the shelves and those older strains we're throwing fire phenos left and right. Thug pug was killing it for a while(2 year span), he hit at the right time and it just so happened it was when a pandemic started and people were home growing and ordering seeds like never before
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You hit the nail on the head. Hopefully in the future thug pug will drop something really unique. Lately it feels like everything breeders are dropping has been “watered” down as “hybrids”. Breeders like Heart&Soil are hunting landraces and breeding with to find the next big thing. I’ve been looking for strains with more pronounced terps and taste. Growing gear from breeders like thug pug, bloom seed, savage, dungeon vault, etc.
Dungeons latest drop has me intrigued. White Hot Guava
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