Vaccinated stay contagious longer than Unvaccinated

DIY-HP-LED

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You don't seem to understand what a negative vaccine efficacy is. That means that people are more likely to get sick who have taken the vaccine vs a control group. This study shows that effect following the period of vaccine waning after a few months. It sounds to me like you are suggesting that people get jabbed four times a year to keep their VE up.
It means that since they were vaxxed they take more risks with new strains around and their residual immunity protects most from the worst effects, many were infected shortly after vaccination in previous waves of new variants. There are so many variables you could drive a fucking truck through the study.
 

PJ Diaz

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It means that since they were vaxxed they take more risks with new strains around and their residual immunity protects most from the worst effects, many were infected shortly after vaccination in previous waves of new variants. There are so many variables you could drive a fucking truck through the study.
You think those who are vaxxed take more risks than unvaccinated, while at the same time you claim that being unvaccinated is risky business in and of itself? Um, contradict yourself much do you?
 

ActionianJacksonian

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You don't seem to understand what a negative vaccine efficacy is. That means that people are more likely to get sick who have taken the vaccine vs a control group. This study shows that effect following the period of vaccine waning after a few months. It sounds to me like you are suggesting that people get jabbed four times a year to keep their VE up.
That's a good idea as Pfizer doses increase $400%. Wonder how the inside politician traders feel about this? I'm looking at you Cocaine Mitch.

The last time I checked yer free to be an antivaxxer nut job, in Canada we have a 90% vaxx rate, so they are definitely in the minority and mostly among young adults. Now that those who want it are vaxxed and boosted and we have meds, nobody really gives a fuck about the unvaccinated, except they tend to clog up the hospitals. The vaccines will get better, but the virus could go either way, more contagious wins the race, whether it kills you or not doesn't matter.
Your hospitals were already clogged. Covid is ober buddy, in case you didn't get the memo. Unless of course there's another lab leak from Boston University this time...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Over 100,000 isn't that small.

Regarding severity, that was addressed to some extent:

"We also planned to study VE against severe COVID-19 outcomes. However, we were concerned that CYP hospitalisations during the period of study might have been predominantly “with” COVID-19, rather than “because of” COVID-19, leading to a potential for misclassification bias. "
I see category populations into the low hundreds, which does things to the error bars.

However what keeps me skeptical is that the result you posted seems to run counter to the larger trend.
Outlier, or advance indicator?

I don’t know. I think it is too early to tell. Much of the epidemiology will be forensic, i.e. figured out years later from mature and plentiful data. For now, error sometimes exceeds value, and I’m a bit shy to draw conclusions yet.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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You think those who are vaxxed take more risks than unvaccinated, while at the same time you claim that being unvaccinated is risky business in and of itself? Um, contradict yourself much do you?
Well if yer vaxxed ya tend to go out more and attend public events, not bother with a mask any more either.

Look, the fact of the matter is since we have constantly improved vaccines and treatments, nobody really gives a fuck about the unvaxxed and their issues, most have been infected by one strain or another by now. That's why you haven't been getting much pushback, nobody cares enough anymore, anybody who would argue with you is already vaxxed and doesn't care if you live or die, much less bother to argue with you about an established scientific consensus. When expert opinion and scientific consensus change, I'll change my mind, but will you?
 

PJ Diaz

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Personal experience and observations, masks have largely disappeared, and public venues are full, inflation is an issue because of increased economic activity, gas prices are high FFS. :lol:
So anecdotal only eh?

What makes you think those people are only vaccinated individuals?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Personal experience and observations, masks have largely disappeared, and public venues are full, inflation is an issue because of increased economic activity, gas prices are high FFS. :lol:
Variants of concern continue to appear. Now it is BQ.1 and 1.1 that are spreading. The pandemic may be politically over, but biology is the important arbiter imo, and it is still keeping the new case curves from decaying into noise. I continue to mask up. My motive is unchanged: I reallyreally do not want to be a link in a transmission chain that could leave someone diminished by long Covid, or worse.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So anecdotal only eh?

What makes you think those people are only vaccinated individuals?
They are not, but the vast majority of people are vaccinated and most stayed home and avoided public places before vaccines, after vaccines things began to change, but new strains still kept a lid on until widespread natural immunity took hold and those illnesses were largely mitigated by vaccines. Many unvaxxed young people never even knew they had covid or were contagious and with vaccines the age spectrum of being asymptomatic shifted to older people.

I got my 3rd boost last January and my 4th bivariant a week ago, it's a fall and winter shot for now in Canada. The government cares less too and the only concerns the local public health officials have now that it's endemic are overloaded hospitals. New and better vaccines should be available in a year or two that can deal with all coronaviruses, until then, improved annual fall and winter boosts.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Variants of concern continue to appear. Now it is BQ.1 and 1.1 that are spreading. The pandemic may be politically over, but biology is the important arbiter imo, and it is still keeping the new case curves from decaying into noise. I continue to mask up. My motive is unchanged: I reallyreally do not want to be a link in a transmission chain that could leave someone diminished by long Covid, or worse.
Agreed and I wear a mask in public places too. Science will pay off bigger as time goes by and the acute emergency has been addressed. Governments are funding this stuff now and everybody is taking it a lot more seriously, we are not out of the woods, but it is now more endemic than pandemic. As far as public health goes, we have to be practical, lockdowns worked until covid evolved into the most infectious disease known, but masks still work somewhat. China's recent experiences show they never got the memo on contagion and lockdowns with new strains, then again, I hear their vaccines suck.
 

PJ Diaz

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They are not, but the vast majority of people are vaccinated and most stayed home and avoided public places before vaccines, after vaccines things began to change, but new strains still kept a lid on until widespread natural immunity took hold and those illnesses were largely mitigated by vaccines. Many unvaxxed young people never even knew they had covid or were contagious and with vaccines the age spectrum of being asymptomatic shifted to older people.

I got my 3rd boost last January and my 4th bivariant a week ago, it's a fall and winter shot for now in Canada. The government cares less too and the only concerns the local public health officials have now that it's endemic are overloaded hospitals. New and better vaccines should be available in a year or two that can deal with all coronaviruses, until then, improved annual fall and winter boosts.
None of that is relevant to the study or its numbers.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If it's not a pandemic, and nobody cares.. cool! Leave the kids alone!
Up to the public health and school authorities, not to people who do their "research" sitting on the toilet and following links on social media, while crashing school board meetings far from home with violent threats and menacing behavior. Right, leave the kids alone, don't harass those who wear masks or their parents. Don't call in thousands of vile death threats to public health officials, we know what side the fucking lunatics are on.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Up to the public health and school authorities, not to people who do their "research" sitting on the toilet and following links on social media, while crashing school board meetings far from home with violent threats and menacing behavior. Right, leave the kids alone, don't harass those who wear masks or their parents. Don't call in thousands of vile death threats to public health officials, we know what side the fucking lunatics are on.
How many kids do you have?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I don't do any of that. My kid doesn't go to public school. They can screw right off if they think they make the decisions over the parents, and deserve every bit of backlash they get over BS like that.
Unfortunately, there are many who agree with you who do those kinds of things, majorities win and there are super majorities vaxxed in most places. You all are associated with the nut jobs, and all must wear the horns and war paint, just like the republicans, also unfortunate. I mean if Alex Jones is on your side, ya really got to question what you believe! :lol:
 
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