Need help with diagnosis… (Super Soil Growing)

[JasonTheDon]

What up y’all, I’ve been running these Wedding Pie clones in my 2x4 using organic super soil in 5 gallon fabric pots. These plants are slowly dying and I’m not sure why. At first, I was recommended that i was giving them too much water, and they were showing overwatering symptoms. But I dialed way down on the watering and the leaves are still growing looking deformed. One theory I had was with the pH, since my tap water pH is so high, I use a LOT of organic apple cider vinegar to lower it. But I’m afraid it may be a little too much. Is this something bad and is it damaging my plants? It’s also worth noting that when I first transplanted them, the temps and RH levels were way too high and low. Some days, the plants were around 90 degree heat and humidity levels as low as 30%. Another theory I had was the roots being damaged. Let me know what you guys think, is it something in my soil? In my water? If they don’t recover by the time I’m ready to flower, they’re gonna have to be chopped unfortunately. Let me know y’all! Thanks

 

[JasonTheDon]

One of the biggest deformities of the leaves I noticed even from the new growth was most of the new growth clawing up while growing, and other fan leaves just straight up looking weak

 

[Herb & Suds]

I would just start over and lose the vinegar

 

[JasonTheDon]

I would just start over and lose the vinegar

Would you say it’s worth giving it a go to remove the tap water for the next feeding and just giving it straight RO water and seeing how the leaves grow before chopping them?

 

[Herb & Suds]

I grow in a peat medium and don't ph at all
Never tried flowering half dead plants

I doubt you can fix them at this point

 

[amneziaHaze]

you are growing in dirt and dirt has a lot of life in it that will shit and eat and balance your ph 99% of the time.

did you try to test the ph of your runoff?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

What up y’all, I’ve been running these Wedding Pie clones in my 2x4 using organic super soil in 5 gallon fabric pots. These plants are slowly dying and I’m not sure why. At first, I was recommended that i was giving them too much water, and they were showing overwatering symptoms. But I dialed way down on the watering and the leaves are still growing looking deformed. One theory I had was with the pH, since my tap water pH is so high, I use a LOT of organic apple cider vinegar to lower it. But I’m afraid it may be a little too much. Is this something bad and is it damaging my plants? It’s also worth noting that when I first transplanted them, the temps and RH levels were way too high and low. Some days, the plants were around 90 degree heat and humidity levels as low as 30%. View attachment 5223006Another theory I had was the roots being damaged. Let me know what you guys think, is it something in my soil? In my water? If they don’t recover by the time I’m ready to flower, they’re gonna have to be chopped unfortunately. Let me know y’all! Thanks

What's your tap pH and ppm? Cut out the vinegar to start.

 

[JasonTheDon]

you are growing in dirt and dirt has a lot of life in it that will shit and eat and balance your ph 99% of the time.

did you try to test the ph of your runoff?

I actually haven’t tested the runoff yet, that’s a good call

 

[JasonTheDon]

What's your tap pH and ppm? Cut out the vinegar to start.

My tap pH is high, around 8 or a little above I would say. I also haven’t thought of testing my ppm since I’m running super soil, is ppm something that I should watch with organic growing as well?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

My tap pH is high, around 8 or a little above I would say. I also haven’t thought of testing my ppm since I’m running super soil, is ppm something that I should watch with organic growing as well?

8.0 isn't that bad. My well water is around 7.8, and I don't adjust mine. Citric acid is better than vinegar if you want to lower water pH.

I meant the ppm of your water. Too much of one nutrient can affect others. Too much Ca is a big one. Those leaves look K deficient and Ca can lockout K. My well water is around 150 ppm I think and has plenty Ca.

And runoff isn't a good way to check anything.

My first thought is pH though.

 

[JasonTheDon]

8.0 isn't that bad. My well water is around 7.8, and I don't adjust mine. Citric acid is better than vinegar if you want to lower water pH.

I meant the ppm of your water. Too much of one nutrient can affect others. Too much Ca is a big one. Those leaves look K deficient and Ca can lockout K. My well water is around 150 ppm I think and has plenty Ca.

And runoff isn't a good way to check anything.

My first thought is pH.

I don't add nutrients to my water, i use super soil so the soil has all of the nutrients. I even purposefully made the mix a bit weaker to make sure over nuting doesnt occur / the mix ends up hot

 

[JasonTheDon]

8.0 isn't that bad. My well water is around 7.8, and I don't adjust mine. Citric acid is better than vinegar if you want to lower water pH.

I meant the ppm of your water. Too much of one nutrient can affect others. Too much Ca is a big one. Those leaves look K deficient and Ca can lockout K. My well water is around 150 ppm I think and has plenty Ca.

And runoff isn't a good way to check anything.

My first thought is pH though.

sorry, are you saying that my tap water could possibly already contain too much of one of these nutrients? I mightve misunderstood

 

[Marq1340]

Shut it down.


1. Clean everything up and start over.
2. Read up more on watering with organics.
3. Read up on VPD.
4. I wouldn't touch the ph again either.
5. Start today and don't waste anymore time/money on those.

 

[JasonTheDon]

I grow in a peat medium and don't ph at all
Never tried flowering half dead plants

I doubt you can fix them at this point

that's what i was thinking. Theyve taken a beating

 

[PadawanWarrior]

sorry, are you saying that my tap water could possibly already contain too much of one of these nutrients? I mightve misunderstood

Ya. That's what I was saying. That's not what I'm saying is causing that though. My guess is pH is fucked from adding too much vinegar. So stop adding vinegar. I'd give it a flush with your regular 8.0 water too I found it was me. I'd at least try to bring it back. At least you'll learn something.

 

[mudballs]

Likely a combination of things that are just "off" is my best guess

You can see that little guy lower right probably wont make it and im just watching it at this point.
I think it's PH combined with a lockout/deficiency and root rot/damage. Bone dry roots is just as bad as waterlogged roots.

 

[JasonTheDon]

Shut it down.


1. Clean everything up and start over.
2. Read up more on watering with organics.
3. Read up on VPD.
4. I wouldn't touch the ph again either.
5. Start today and don't waste anymore time/money on those.

Word. Got it, noted. I'll probably do some extra testing to figure out what the root cause was so i dont fuck up the next grow.

 

[JasonTheDon]

Likely a combination of things that are just "off" is my best guess
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You can see that little guy lower right probably wont make it and im just watching it at this point.
I think it's PH combined with a lockout/deficiency and root rot/damage. Bone dry roots is just as bad as waterlogged roots.

I was also thinking root rot as a possibility, they're in a 5 gal pot tho so kinda hard to dig in and see the bottom of the pot though. When I kill them Ill take a look tho

 

[ComfortCreator]

There is no authority giving points to those who ph down using organic ingredients. Many creative ideas my 2c is just buy the basic ph down and this problem would not happen. Vinegar reacts with many substances even though your use is valid.

I grow in SS and trust me there are enough problems to worry about. Once you know how to get your water ph to what you want this will get WAY easier.

I know many, many do not ph their water. That's fine. I know it can work. But I also know ph to 6.5 and you will never have issues. So there is a way to avoid this ?-mark in the future.

 

[JasonTheDon]

There is no authority giving points to those who ph down using organic ingredients. Many creative ideas my 2c is just buy the basic ph down and this problem would not happen. Vinegar reacts with many substances even though your use is valid.

I grow in SS and trust me there are enough problems to worry about. Once you know how to get your water ph to what you want this will get WAY easier.

I know many, many do not ph their water. That's fine. I know it can work. But I also know ph to 6.5 and you will never have issues. So there is a way to avoid this ?-mark in the future.

Got it, thanks