2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.

doublejj

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that's just not true...the support America has given has been extremely important, but the rest of NATO and other countries have been stepping up and making significant donations too.
they're sitting in a good place right now, while the russians are pretty fucked. even if the republicans somehow gained enough control to lift most sanctions, the damage has been done, and if the russians can find any weapons they can afford, they don't have any personnel
to use them.
the EU won't let putin win, even if the republicans somehow sabotage everything they can, and they will remember what the republicans did.
The republicans will vote to lift the sanctions and maybe even send Putler some $$. Ukraine army wouldn't be anywhere near as effective without US intelligence and the repubs will cut that off for sure, might even start working with Putler. Watch how many countries quit sending support to Ukraine when the US pulls out. Putin will go for the jugular knowing NATO won't get involved. Ukraine will be forced into negotiations and capitulate annexed territories to Russia. And Putler may not stop there, he want's Zelensky's head on a platter..
 

HGCC

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I'm sure it will change, but boebert is down at the moment. Much closer than I expected though.

The local CO house democrat guy is up about 6 with 75% reporting. I'm glad the local guy did well, hope it holds, my county has a bad rap but it's pretty large and the area I live in doesn't jibe with the other parts. This one is interesting because the guy got out there all the time to campaign for himself. Not really my cup of tea, but very much the ideal candidate for the area.

The mushroom people are fighting a good fight, idk though, was 50/50.

Polis crushed it by 20, Bennet by 14.

Georgia wtf is wrong with you. PA seems better than expected. All in all...medium. My kid cracked me up, he encounters lots of youtube political ads...so I was telling my wife that Bennet beat this guy Joe O'Dea when he pipes in with "Joe O'Dea! He's with the gun lobby, not Colorado!"

I love elections, the super bowl of politics. Kinda boring like the super bowl, ads are a big part of each and you generally know how it will go...great snacks.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The senate is tight, and it could come down to Georgia again in January. What happens if Trump is indicted in Georgia before then? Will the Georgia run off affect when the feds bust Donald for the documents? Will it extend the election ban on indictments even though he's not running? It looks like a runoff for the senate and the house could still break either way, but the republicans are up a couple seats at this point. No red wave for sure, it was their election to lose, and Trump helped them to at least come close. It broke a historic midterm trend and if it wasn't for gerrymandering the house would be democratic. The 13 seats up for grabs are mostly in California so it might be a while until we find out.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The republicans will vote to lift the sanctions and maybe even send Putler some $$. Ukraine army wouldn't be anywhere near as effective without US intelligence and the repubs will cut that off for sure, might even start working with Putler. Watch how many countries quit sending support to Ukraine when the US pulls out. Putin will go for the jugular knowing NATO won't get involved. Ukraine will be forced into negotiations and capitulate annexed territories to Russia. And Putler may not stop there, he want's Zelensky's head on a platter..
the republikkkans aren't going to get the chance.
they are stupid, but even they aren't stupid enough to try to send aid to russia. there is no way that would fly in this country, and it would be a very public fight between the two parties, with the republicans on the side of one of our worst enemies.
a few of the freedumb train fuckheads would go for that, but bitch mcturtle and the rest of the party isn't ever going to get behind that shit. it would end up with the trumptard republicans either leaving the party or being expelled.
as for the republicans cutting off intell...they don't really have a say about that, they control purse strings, not the armed forces, old uncle Joe is the commander in chief of the armed forces, and if he decides they get intell, they get it. he also has a lot of discretion about where out of date equipment is disposed of...we seem to have a lot of out of date equipment, and Ukraine has lots of places they could store it, till it's appropriately disposed of... :lol:
 
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hanimmal

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I hadn't heard anything about the state level results yet here, since we just had a non-partisan commission rewrite our maps, ones that has had Republican obstruction for as long as I could remember, at least since 1992.

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And Michigan is going Blue for the first time (as a state) since 1984! Hopefully now we can get a lot of work done as a state. I am looking forward to seeing what they can do now so that the Republicans can maybe stop their insurrectionist fascist shit they have going on here.

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  • Whitmer, Democrats dominate Michigan elections
  • Michigan Legislature flips first time since 1984
  • Voters back abortion, voting rights proposals
LANSING – Democrats will control the governor's office and Michigan Legislature for the first time in four decades after dominating an election marked by strong turnout from abortion rights supporters.

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer won a second term. And it appears she’ll have a friendly Legislature after Democrats claimed to win control of the Michigan House and Senate for the first time since 1984.

Democrats flipped a congressional seat and maintained their edge on the Michigan Supreme Court. While vote counting continued Wednesday morning,

Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson and Attorney General Dana Nessel appeared on their way to second terms as well.

Proposal 3 was one of the biggest winners in the Michigan election – not just for voters who wanted to restore a constitutional right to abortion, but also for Democratic candidates who had otherwise faced a challenging midterm environment given sky-high inflation and gas prices.

The ballot measure was at the bottom of a lengthy ballot but was outperforming Whitmer on the top. With about 85 percent of all votes counted by Wednesday morning, 2,240,961 Michiganders had voted for Proposal 3, compared to 2,221,539 for the incumbent governor.

That’s evidence that “there is support for at least some amount of abortion rights that extends beyond just the Democratic Party,” said Adrian Hemond, a Democratic strategist with the bipartisan Grassroots Midwest firm in Lansing.

Republicans knew abortion rights were “going to mobilize elements of the Democrats’ coalition” but had hoped evangelical and Catholic voters would neutralize the turnout effect, said GOP consultant Jamie Roe.

“It doesn’t seem like that materialized as a lot of us hoped it would.”

Whitmer wins, Benson and Nessel up
Michigan voters picked Whitmer to lead Michigan another four years, re-electing the Democratic governor who navigated the COVID-19 pandemic and vowed to fight "like hell" for abortion rights.

The Associated Press called the race for Whitmer at 1:21 a.m. but the final margin of her win over Dixon is not yet clear as voting counting continued Wednesday morning. With an estimated 85 percent of all ballots tabulated, Whitmer led Dixon 53 percent to 45 percent, an eight point advantage.

Democratic Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson appeared to be heading toward re-election by an even more decisive margin. As of Wednesday morning, she led GOP challenger Kristina Karamo by 12 percentage points.

Things were closer for Democratic Attorney General Dana Nessel, who was up about 6 points on Republican challenger Matthew DePerno.

Dixon, Karamo and DePerno were each endorsed by former President Donald Trump, who rallied with them last month in Macomb County in an apparently unsuccessful bid to help them win election.

‘Yes’ on Proposal 1, 2 and 3
Michigan voters approved all three statewide proposals on the ballot, according to projections from The Associated Press.

As of Wednesday morning, incomplete and unofficial counts showed 66 percent of Michiganders had backed Proposal 1 to amend term limits and require financial disclosure by political candidates.

Roughly 59 percent of voters were backing Proposal 2 to allow up to nine days of early voting and enshrine other election rules into the Michigan Constitution.

And Proposal 3, to put abortion rights into the Michigan Constitution, was leading 56 percent to 45 percent.

Slotkin, Scholten, Kildee, James, Thanedar win
Stagnant population means Michigan will lose a seat in Congress next year, and it will likely end up costing Republicans. Incomplete results from newly drawn districts suggest Democrats are poised to break a partisan tie to gain a 7-6 advantage in the state’s congressional delegation.

A Democrat will represent Grand Rapids in Congress for the first time in nearly 50 years after attorney Hillary Scholten flipped a GOP seat by defeating Trump-endorsed Republican John Gibbs in Michigan’s new-look 3rd District.

Scholten will replace outgoing U.S. Rep. Peter Meijer, who lost to Gibbs in the GOP primary. Trump intervened in the race to try and punish Meijer for voting to impeach him for inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the U.S. Capitol.

In the new and highly competitive 7th Congressional District, Democratic U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin won re-election over GOP challenger Tom Barrett.

Slotkin moved to Lansing before running in the reshaped district and faced a tough fight. The contest was the most expensive congressional race in the country as national groups battling for control of the U.S. House poured massive amounts of money into television advertising.

Democratic U.S. Rep. Dan Kildee of Flint Township appeared likely to win re-election in the newly competitive 8th District. With an estimated 88 percent of votes counted, Kildee led Republican challenger Paul Junge 51 percent to 45 percent.

Republican John James, meanwhile, may become Michigan’s only Black representative in Congress if he holds his lead in the 10th district when full Macomb County votes are reported.

With an estimated 99 percent of ballots counted, James led Democrat Carl Marlinga 50 percent to 47 percent.

Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, who had been the only Black member of Michigan’s congressional delegation, is retiring and did not seek re-election.

As expected, state Rep. Shri Thanedar, D-Detroit, became Michigan’s first Indian-American member of Congress, easily prevailing in the Democratic stronghold 13th District.

Democrats flip Michigan House, Senate
Redistricting gave Democrats a legitimate shot to flip the Michigan Legislature, and they appear to have seized the opportunity for a narrow edge.

In the state Senate, Democrats are claiming their first majority since 1984, but vote counting is still continuing in some tight races.

The party has at least secured a 19-19 tie, according to a tally by Gongwer subscription news service. If that holds, Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist would cast tie-breaking votes.

Democrats scored a series of upsets in state House races to win a 56-54 advantage to win their first majority in the lower chamber since 2010, according to reporting by MIRS subscription news.

Key House wins included Democratic challenger Betsy Coffia over Republican incumbent Jack O’Malley in the new 103rd District, which includes Leelanau, northern Grand Traverse and northern Benzie counties.

Critical Democratic wins in the Senate included the new 35th District, where Bay City Commissioner Kristen McDonald Rivet defeated Republican state Rep. Annette Glenn of Midland.

Democrats keep edge on Michigan Supreme Court
Democratic nominees will retain their 4-3 advantage on the Michigan Supreme Court after incumbents Brian Zahra (R) and Richard Bernstein (D) each won re-election, according to projections by The Associated Press.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I hadn't heard anything about the state level results yet here, since we just had a non-partisan commission rewrite our maps, ones that has had Republican obstruction for as long as I could remember, at least since 1992.

https://ballotpedia.org/Michigan_State_Legislature
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And Michigan is going Blue for the first time (as a state) since 1984! Hopefully now we can get a lot of work done as a state. I am looking forward to seeing what they can do now so that the Republicans can maybe stop their insurrectionist fascist shit they have going on here.

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"Republicans knew abortion rights were “going to mobilize elements of the Democrats’ coalition” but had hoped evangelical and Catholic voters would neutralize the turnout effect, said GOP consultant Jamie Roe.
“It doesn’t seem like that materialized as a lot of us hoped it would.” "

Motherfucking liar...they were going to wait till after the midterms to do any of this shit, and their fucking foul evil plan got leaked, forcing them to act ahead of schedule. think how different this election would be without their fucking up and letting this leak prematurely.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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the republikkkans aren't going to get the chance.
they are stupid, but even they aren't stupid enough to try to send aid to russia. there is no way that would fly in this country, and it would be a very public fight between the two parties, with the republicans on the side of one of our worst enemies.
a few of the freedumb train fuckheads would go for that, but bitch mcturtle and the rest of the party isn't ever going to get behind that shit. it would end up with the trumptard republicans either leaving the party or being expelled.
as for the republicans cutting off intell...they don't really have a say about that, they control purse strings, not the armed forces, old uncle Joe is the commander in chief of the armed forces, and if he decides they get intell, they get it. he also has a lot of discretion about where out of date equipment is disposed of...we seem to have a lot of out of date equipment, and Ukraine has lots of places they could store it, till it's appropriately disposed of... :lol:
That segment of the GOP has been dealt a blow, it comes from Trumpism and whatever could curry favor with the great leader among candidates. They've been punished selectively at the polls and Trump might be soon gone and memory holed by republicans. Provoking him to inject himself into the Georgia runoff might be profitable though, one last bit of stupidity before they indict him. Donald and Herschel would be quite the ticket and a lot of word salad, maybe he figures the closer he is to Herschel the safer he will be since he will be running, and Garland may come calling any day. Those two should be tight as ticks by election day, salt and pepper! :lol: Rallies for Christmas in Georgia folks.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A peek into a possible future:
Herschel is still running until January and Donald will cling to him like a drowning man does to a straw. He will hold rallies in Georgia for Herschel, whether Herschel wants it or not! He might even hint that Herschel will be his VP pick when he does run! By a miracle he escapes indictment because he's so fucking special. Donald and Herschel 2024, Donald wins, has the big one and Herschel is POTUS! :lol: You thought Donald was fun?
 

printer

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Voters support abortion rights in all five states with ballot measures
Voters in California, Vermont and Michigan on Tuesday approved ballot measures enshrining abortion rights into their state constitutions, while those in the traditionally red states of Montana and Kentucky rejected measures that would have restricted access to reproductive care.
The votes signal support for abortion rights after the Supreme Court in June overturned the landmark 1973 case Roe v. Wade and the constitutional right to the procedure.

In August, Kansas voters also rejected a ballot measure that would have given the state legislature the authority to restrict abortion access through a state constitutional amendment.

The ballot votes came amid high-profile Senate and House races, with some candidates running for office across the nation with hard-line views on abortion access.

Already in post-Roe America, about half of all states have moved to restrict abortion access, even as polls show most Americans approve of the right to abortion.

Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.), have proposed a 15-week national abortion ban, though other members of the party have supported leaving the issue up to the states.

In Michigan, Republicans had hoped to enact a 1931 law that would ban abortions in all cases except to save the life of a mother, which morphed into a legal challenge that worked its way up to the state’s high court.

on Day, however, Michigan voters were confronted with a ballot measure that would enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution, which would make the 1931 law and the court fight moot.

Voting results show 53 percent of Michiganders supported the measure, compared to 46 percent who voted to reject it, according to a New York Times tracker, in another victory for abortion rights.

In California, an overwhelmingly blue state, about 68 percent of voters approved a similar ballot measure enshrining abortion rights into the state constitution, while roughly 31 percent rejected it, according to local affiliate KRON, which is owned by The Hill’s parent company Nexstar.

Kentucky voters faced a ballot measure that would declare there is no right to an abortion in the state constitution, similar to the Kansas measure that was rejected.

According to the New York Times tracker, 52 percent of Kentucky voters rejected the move, while 47 percent supported it.
Montana voters, meanwhile, rejected a ballot measure to approve the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. The law declares any fetus or embryo that survives an abortion is a legal person and criminalizes doctors who do not try to save the life of a “born alive” infant.
About 53 percent of Montana voters rejected the ballot measure, while 46 percent supported it, per The New York Times.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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That segment of the GOP has been dealt a blow, it comes from Trumpism and whatever could curry favor with the great leader among candidates. They've been punished selectively at the polls and Trump might be soon gone and memory holed by republicans. Provoking him to inject himself into the Georgia runoff might be profitable though, one last bit of stupidity before they indict him. Donald and Herschel would be quite the ticket and a lot of word salad, maybe he figures the closer he is to Herschel the safer he will be since he will be running, and Garland may come calling any day. Those two should be tight as ticks by election day, salt and pepper! :lol: Rallies for Christmas in Georgia folks.
i think he's going to ask marginal traitor queen to run with him...
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DIY-HP-LED

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i think he's going to ask marginal traitor queen to run with him...
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Think about it, what else can Donald do to delay his indictment? Inserting himself into Herschel's runoff is about his only option and that involves holding lunatic rallies in Georgia in support of Herschel while the heat builds on him, and he bitches about the deep state out to get him, instead of talking about Herschel, it will be all about Donald and will be a fucking fiasco. So maybe Garland will hold off and will spook him or the prosecutors in Georgia will and he can take Herschel down with him, as he freaks out on stage and hangs himself even more.
 

hanimmal

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I don't think Trump runs after last night.

He doesn't have sycophants in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Michigan that he needs to be able to steal the 2024 election.

I bet he tries to get the speaker's position though because who knows what will come out of that bag of cats if the Republicans pull off the house.
 

CunningCanuk

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I don't think Trump runs after last night.

He doesn't have sycophants in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Michigan that he needs to be able to steal the 2024 election.

I bet he tries to get the speaker's position though because who knows what will come out of that bag of cats if the Republicans pull off the house.
If he runs, he’ll also have restrictions on how he spends his grift money.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I don't think Trump runs after last night.

He doesn't have sycophants in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Michigan that he needs to be able to steal the 2024 election.

I bet he tries to get the speaker's position though because who knows what will come out of that bag of cats if the Republicans pull off the house.
that would require him to run for a seat somewhere...can you see him accepting a house seat instead of the white house? that would require him to follow rules and procedures, and shut his fucking mouth when it's necessary...i just don't see that happening.
it would also require him to cooperate about some things he doesn't like, and i really can't see that fucking happening.
he's either going to run for president again, or he's going to fade into irrelevancy. those seem to be his only choices to me, and neither one will shield him form the DOJ if and when Garland gets the fuck off of his ass
 
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