2022 elections. The steady march for sanity continues.

cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
the difference, to me, anyway, would be that they both are royal bitches, but one of the royal bitches wants to not only get you fired, they want to take over, while the lesser one just wants to get you fired...not much of a distinction, but it's the difference between one pile of shit and another...they aren't identical, but they both fucking stink.
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I tend to concur. Karens don’t wanna be caught “in the barrel” of management.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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i think Kamala Harris is a fine person, with a good mind and a good sense of ethics....
that being said, i tend to agree with this article, she has never seemed comfortable in the role of VP, i think she would do much better
back in the senate, or even taking over for Garland, who should be put on the supreme court, where he should have been years ago.
i don't doubt her intelligence or abilities, but she just doesn't seem to have any passion for the job, and seems very uncomfortable in it.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/kamala-harris-joe-biden-new-vp-2024.html
 
hanimmal

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i think Kamala Harris is a fine person, with a good mind and a good sense of ethics....
that being said, i tend to agree with this article, she has never seemed comfortable in the role of VP, i think she would do much better
back in the senate, or even taking over for Garland, who should be put on the supreme court, where he should have been years ago.
i don't doubt her intelligence or abilities, but she just doesn't seem to have any passion for the job, and seems very uncomfortable in it.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/kamala-harris-joe-biden-new-vp-2024.html
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I think about all that first hand experience she is gaining as VP in foreign affairs. That is not something she would really be able to gain as a senator (which she has already on her resume', bonus points for making Kavanaugh cry and outing Barr as a goon in their hearings).

I really find the experience she is having watching first hand Biden's master class in how to respond to national disasters, watching how the decisions are being made in how we are going about helping Ukraine defend themselves from Putin's invasion, the very real problems that is going on throughout the Southern Americas migration, the rise of China's next dictator, the Saudi's fucking with our economy to help the Republican election chances, and North Korea popping off, the leadership shuffles that are occurring with our allies as they flip to or away from far right/Russian puppets, sitting as the leader of the senate and get feedback on how Biden would like things handled to get all the legislation passed that he had over the last couple years, on and on.

All that is very real experience that is building her to be a great future president.

As VPOTUS, he job is not to shine as bright as we all know she can. Her job is to back Biden's play and to take some of the heat off of the very big issues that don't have a reasonably easy fix.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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hanimmal said:
I think about all that first hand experience she is gaining as VP in foreign affairs. That is not something she would really be able to gain as a senator (which she has already on her resume', bonus points for making Kavanaugh cry and outing Barr as a goon in their hearings).

I really find the experience she is having watching first hand Biden's master class in how to respond to national disasters, watching how the decisions are being made in how we are going about helping Ukraine defend themselves from Putin's invasion, the very real problems that is going on throughout the Southern Americas migration, the rise of China's next dictator, the Saudi's fucking with our economy to help the Republican election chances, and North Korea popping off, the leadership shuffles that are occurring with our allies as they flip to or away from far right/Russian puppets, sitting as the leader of the senate and get feedback on how Biden would like things handled to get all the legislation passed that he had over the last couple years, on and on.

All that is very real experience that is building her to be a great future president.

As VPOTUS, he job is not to shine as bright as we all know she can. Her job is to back Biden's play and to take some of the heat off of the very big issues that don't have a reasonably easy fix.
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she doesn't seem to want to be president...and i'll be perfectly honest with you, if Newsome, or Stewart, or Michelle Obama, or maybe even Whitmer run, i'd rather back them. i know a VP isn't supposed to overshadow their President, but as far as i can see, she doesn't have a shadow...
she could change my mind, and i'll back whoever the dems nomineee is, short of someone doomed, but in my mind, there are a lot better picks available at the moment. guess we'll see how things look in 24
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
she doesn't seem to want to be president...and i'll be perfectly honest with you, if Newsome, or Stewart, or Michelle Obama, or maybe even Whitmer run, i'd rather back them. i know a VP isn't supposed to overshadow their President, but as far as i can see, she doesn't have a shadow...
she could change my mind, and i'll back whoever the dems nomineee is, short of someone doomed, but in my mind, there are a lot better picks available at the moment. guess we'll see how things look in 24
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Unfortunately, a "Man from Glad" with no brain or personality will likely win against a female black candidate with both in abundance. Same for a guy who wears a turban or God forbid a declared atheist! It wouldn't be too much different in Canada, but we have a more democratic election system without gerrymandering and run by Elections Canada. Going in they would alienate every bigot, misogamist, lunatic and xenophobe in the country.
 
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Elections Canada is one of the things we should appropriate from you...we desperately need some kind of centralized control for all state elections, states rights has gotten stupidly inflated and out of hand.
All states should have the same rights, and their district maps should all be drawn by an impartial council, with the states themselves having absolutely no say in the process, and any appeals process should be involved, to prevent stupid obstructionist shit (not naming any parties republicans).
this should become the central goal of the democratic party until it is achieved, real government by the people, for the people, not for rich republican fucks who buy politicians like i buy crickets for my lizard, 4 bucks for 100
 
CunningCanuk

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hanimmal said:
I think about all that first hand experience she is gaining as VP in foreign affairs. That is not something she would really be able to gain as a senator (which she has already on her resume', bonus points for making Kavanaugh cry and outing Barr as a goon in their hearings).

I really find the experience she is having watching first hand Biden's master class in how to respond to national disasters, watching how the decisions are being made in how we are going about helping Ukraine defend themselves from Putin's invasion, the very real problems that is going on throughout the Southern Americas migration, the rise of China's next dictator, the Saudi's fucking with our economy to help the Republican election chances, and North Korea popping off, the leadership shuffles that are occurring with our allies as they flip to or away from far right/Russian puppets, sitting as the leader of the senate and get feedback on how Biden would like things handled to get all the legislation passed that he had over the last couple years, on and on.

All that is very real experience that is building her to be a great future president.

As VPOTUS, he job is not to shine as bright as we all know she can. Her job is to back Biden's play and to take some of the heat off of the very big issues that don't have a reasonably easy fix.
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I think Kamala Harris would make a damn fine president.
 
hanimmal

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
she doesn't seem to want to be president...and i'll be perfectly honest with you, if Newsome, or Stewart, or Michelle Obama, or maybe even Whitmer run, i'd rather back them. i know a VP isn't supposed to overshadow their President, but as far as i can see, she doesn't have a shadow...
she could change my mind, and i'll back whoever the dems nomineee is, short of someone doomed, but in my mind, there are a lot better picks available at the moment. guess we'll see how things look in 24
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What do you think would happen if she started to show how bad she wanted to be president right now? I could see how it would improve the way people talk about her now, she would easily start to get her name listed in the top candidates to take over the Democratic presidential candidate nominee, and then she would be used to scare the semi racist/chauvinists to troll her and set up the 'don't vote' narratives.

I don't think this matters at all at the moment, because we are talking about VP in 2024, and unless someone is pushing the 'not-Biden' hypothetical, there is no reason she doesn't run for the Democratic nomination. And for real we are talking 2028, and 6 more years of her as VP I think is really great sounding.

I really don't see Stewart or Obama as real choices. I think they are great, but we don't need celebrity in my opinion, we just need competent leaders who can appoint the best people to do the work we need done as a nation. And not be corrupt while doing it. And Obama has flat out stated she doesn't want to be president.

Whitmer is cool and all, but as far as I know, she has zero experience with foreign nations. So that is a no-go at this point for me. I think she would be a good senator for us maybe, and who knows after that, she still has decades of career left. The same for me with Newsome, although he does have experience running the largest economy in our nation, which is pretty awesome. And both have ran states on the border. But still, we are in a very precarious position in the world with NK, China, Putin, MBS, Netanyahu, climate disasters and the humanity crisis that they bring, etc, that I don't want some noob calling the shots.

This is one thing that I do love about Michigan. Generally when it is time for us to vote for the nominee in the primary, there are really down to one or two people to choose between, so until it is time to vote, I really could care less about it. Like you said it comes down to whoever is running on the Democrats ticket, is going to get my vote for at least the next couple election cycles.
 
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cannabineer

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hanimmal said:
What do you think would happen if she started to show how bad she wanted to be president right now? I could see how it would improve the way people talk about her now, she would easily start to get her name listed in the top candidates to take over the Democratic presidential candidate nominee, and then she would be used to scare the semi racist/chauvinists to troll her and set up the 'don't vote' narratives.

I don't think this matters at all at the moment, because we are talking about VP in 2024, and unless someone is pushing the 'not-Biden' hypothetical, there is no reason she doesn't run for the Democratic nomination. And for real we are talking 2028, and 6 more years of her as VP I think is really great sounding.

I really don't see Stewart or Obama as real choices. I think they are great, but we don't need celebrity in my opinion, we just need competent leaders who can appoint the best people to do the work we need done as a nation. And not be corrupt while doing it. And Obama has flat out stated she doesn't want to be president.

Whitmer is cool and all, but as far as I know, she has zero experience with foreign nations. So that is a no-go at this point for me. I think she would be a good senator for us maybe, and who knows after that, she still has decades of career left. The same for me with Newsome, although he does have experience running the largest economy in our nation, which is pretty awesome. And both have ran nations on the border. But still, we are in a very precarious position in the world with NK, China, Putin, MBS, Netanyahu, climate disasters and the humanity crisis that they bring, etc, that I don't want some noob calling the shots.

This is one thing that I do love about Michigan. Generally when it is time for us to vote for the nominee in the primary, there are really down to one or two people to choose between, so until it is time to vote, I really could care less about it. Like you said it comes down to whoever is running on the Democrats ticket, is going to get my vote for at least the next couple election cycles.
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I wonder why people keep mentioning Michelle when she said no.

There are very capable Democrats who don’t have the same household-name appeal. That should not be a prime qualification.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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hanimmal said:
What do you think would happen if she started to show how bad she wanted to be president right now? I could see how it would improve the way people talk about her now, she would easily start to get her name listed in the top candidates to take over the Democratic presidential candidate nominee, and then she would be used to scare the semi racist/chauvinists to troll her and set up the 'don't vote' narratives.

I don't think this matters at all at the moment, because we are talking about VP in 2024, and unless someone is pushing the 'not-Biden' hypothetical, there is no reason she doesn't run for the Democratic nomination. And for real we are talking 2028, and 6 more years of her as VP I think is really great sounding.

I really don't see Stewart or Obama as real choices. I think they are great, but we don't need celebrity in my opinion, we just need competent leaders who can appoint the best people to do the work we need done as a nation. And not be corrupt while doing it. And Obama has flat out stated she doesn't want to be president.

Whitmer is cool and all, but as far as I know, she has zero experience with foreign nations. So that is a no-go at this point for me. I think she would be a good senator for us maybe, and who knows after that, she still has decades of career left. The same for me with Newsome, although he does have experience running the largest economy in our nation, which is pretty awesome. And both have ran states on the border. But still, we are in a very precarious position in the world with NK, China, Putin, MBS, Netanyahu, climate disasters and the humanity crisis that they bring, etc, that I don't want some noob calling the shots.

This is one thing that I do love about Michigan. Generally when it is time for us to vote for the nominee in the primary, there are really down to one or two people to choose between, so until it is time to vote, I really could care less about it. Like you said it comes down to whoever is running on the Democrats ticket, is going to get my vote for at least the next couple election cycles.
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ideally, Biden/Harris run and win again, and set the stage for perhaps a Harris/? ticket in 2028...but ideal occurrences are few and far between.
you need to balance the need for a responsible, intelligent, sober leader, and one with the charisma to win elections.
to many, biden and harris both lack charisma. even though they've gotten a lot of shit done, with an obstructionist republican party fighting them the whole way, they still have shitty approval ratings. while i realize it is of no substantive value, perhaps consulting with a few "image" experts couldn't hurt?
a large segment of the country vote according to incredibly stupid criteria, that is none the less important to them, does it hurt to humor them a little?
you know i'm not advocating kissing anyone's ass, but if you can look at me and say "the US election system isn't a huge popularity contest." without a look of shame in your eye, i'll WILL kiss your ass.
 
hanimmal

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Arizona election equipment was certified ahead of midterms

CLAIM: Election equipment in Arizona was not certified by an accredited testing lab before it was used in the midterm election.

THE FACTS: Voting equipment used in the 2022 election in Arizona was certified by the Arizona secretary of state and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, according to spokespeople and documentation from both offices.

A video showing a man claiming that the certifications for election equipment in Arizona lapsed prior to the 2018 election has spread widely online in recent days, with many social media users claiming that such equipment was not certified during the 2022 midterm elections. In the video, a man states that Arizona’s election machines must be “certified by an accredited test lab” before claiming that the machines’ “accreditations had expired at the time of the original accreditation” going back to the 2018 election.

A Twitter user who posted the video last week wrote that “the voting machines in Arizona were not certified and thusly the election in turn cannot be legally certified.” The tweet with the video was shared over 15,000 times.

But the equipment used in the midterm elections was certified, according to officials and publicly available documentation. “All of Arizona’s election equipment that is currently in use meets federal and state standards and remains properly certified,” Sophia Solis, a spokesperson for the Arizona secretary of state, wrote in an email to the AP. Election equipment used in Arizona must be certified by the U.S. Election Assistance Commission and the secretary of state to ensure the equipment meets both federal and state requirements, according to Solis. The certifications don’t lapse, though recertification is necessary if significant upgrades or modifications are made to equipment, she wrote.

The office maintains a publicly available list of Arizona voting equipment that has previously been certified, as well as a list of hardware used in the 2022 cycle, with the latter showing three companies — Dominion, Election Systems & Software and Unisyn. An Election Assistance Commission web page shows that all Arizona counties use voting systems that have been certified by the commission, and also lists the same three companies. “According to our records, there are three EAC-certified systems in use in Arizona,” Karen Meyers, a spokesperson for the commission, wrote in an email to the AP, citing the same systems.

Manufacturers of election equipment submit applications for certification to the Election Assistance Commission, said Laura Albert, an industrial engineer who studies voting systems at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Federally accredited labs conduct tests of the equipment as part of the certification process. “There’s a lot of checks and there’s a lot that election officials do to ensure the integrity of the system,” Albert said.

Posts falsely claim Arizona county ‘lost’ nearly 300K Election Day votes

CLAIM: Arizona’s Maricopa County announced that more than 540,000 voters visited voting centers on Election Day. It also announced that only 248,000 Election Day ballots were counted. Therefore, the county “lost” some 292,000 votes.

THE FACTS: This distorts county data. As officials in Arizona’s largest county met to certify the canvass of the 2022 election on Monday, social media users shared false claims about the county’s published Election Day turnout numbers.

“IMPOSSIBLE: Maricopa County Lost 291,930 Election Day Votes?” read a headline on a popular conservative website. “BOMBSHELL REPORT: Maricopa County announced that on Election Day over 540,000 VOTERS visited one of the 223 vote anywhere centers in the county DESPITE releasing FINAL OFFICIAL RESULTS DATA claiming only 248,070 people voted…” read a tweet shared more than 8,000 times.

The posts referenced a document in which the county announced that, “On Election Day, over 540,000 voters visited a site, which is more Election Day voters than all prior General Elections since 2008.” The posts also cited a document from Maricopa County reporting its final election results, which showed 248,070 “Election Day” ballots were counted.

However, these claims misrepresent the 540,000-voter figure, according to Megan Gilbertson, a spokesperson for the county’s elections department. The figure not only includes the 248,000 people who voted in person on Election Day, but also about 290,000 voters who were issued mail-in ballots and returned them in person on Election Day, as well as nearly 3,000 people who cast provisional ballots on Election Day. Together, the 248,000 in-person Election Day votes, the 290,000 early ballot drop-offs, and the 3,000 provisional ballots, accounted for the more than 540,000 people who visited voting centers in the county on Election Day.
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Roger A. Shrubber

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hanimmal said:
We will see.

The real question is it due to stupidity or is it a set up to give all these useful idiots something to point at as a 'real problem' (that they once again caused themselves) on their hate mongering internet blogs.
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who gives a fuck? take the seat and use it to choke the motherfuckers with
 
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