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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Greengrouch said:
Not even asking much, just give them their sick days View attachment 5233101
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they got a 5% a year raise for the next five years, a payout that will average $11,000.00, and an extra paid day off each year.
that's not incredibly great, but i don't think i'd be jumping up and down and holding my breath for what is essentially a weeks paid vacation...
don't try to grab the whole cake every time you go into the bakery, take it a slice at a time. in a couple of years, re-negotiate...or strike then, when it won't cripple the fucking economy, which would make them one of the most hated unions in existence.
 
Greengrouch

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
they got a 5% a year raise for the next five years, a payout that will average $11,000.00, and an extra paid day off each year.
that's not incredibly great, but i don't think i'd be jumping up and down and holding my breath for what is essentially a weeks paid vacation...
don't try to grab the whole cake every time you go into the bakery, take it a slice at a time. in a couple of years, re-negotiate...or strike then, when it won't cripple the fucking economy, which would make them one of the most hated unions in existence.
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They work 60+ hours a week and don’t get any sick leave. A week of sick leave and an increase in staffing might decrease profit margins by 10-15% if they strike that’s on the rail executives for being greedy, not the workers for wanting a home life
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Greengrouch said:
They work 60+ hours a week and don’t get any sick leave. A week of sick leave and an increase in staffing might decrease profit margins by 10-15% if they strike that’s on the rail executives for being greedy, not the workers for wanting a home life
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Heard something too about how the shareholders since the Bush (1) years have had something like 300% increase in their income while they shedded a lot of their workforce.
 
Greengrouch

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hanimmal said:
Heard something too about how the shareholders since the Bush (1) years have had something like 300% increase in their income while they shedded a lot of their workforce.
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It’s fucking nuts man, they really should strike now that congress basically said “no, get back to work” if the government can make you go to work then freedom doesn’t exist. Seriously what could they do if the rail workers released a statement saying they weren’t coming in till their demands were met and didn’t show up to work the next day?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Greengrouch said:
It’s fucking nuts man, they really should strike now that congress basically said “no, get back to work” if the government can make you go to work then freedom doesn’t exist. Seriously what could they do if the rail workers released a statement saying they weren’t coming in till their demands were met and didn’t show up to work the next day?
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I don't know, they did get a lot of wage increase and other shit too. They did get a day sick leave with pay and no reason for it, and do think 7 is not asking too much, but like someone else said earlier, do it when you don't force entire cities into not having the needed chemicals to provide clean water because chemicals are not being transported.

A handful of sick days being the reason these workers strike would be a hard pill for us all to swallow.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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hanimmal said:
I don't know, they did get a lot of wage increase and other shit too. They did get a day sick leave with pay and no reason for it, and do think 7 is not asking too much, but like someone else said earlier, do it when you don't force entire cities into not having the needed chemicals to provide clean water because chemicals are not being transported.

A handful of sick days being the reason these workers strike would be a hard pill for us all to swallow.
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I can imagine that it has been so bad so long that the strikers are certain they need to exploit the opportunity to exert the big leverage. The last decades have been much kinder to management than to labor. I read something not long ago about rail workers having a pretty draconian on-call system, and management entrenched in an attitude of “take it or quit”. So it’s tough on both sides (workers and customers).
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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i'm sympathetic to the workers, but i'm also sympathetic to all the people a rail strike would effect, and that's a lot of people, at least part of EVERYTHING made or sold in the US travels by rail at some point.
If the economy wasn't teetering on the brink of recession, if inflation wasn't still high, if the supply chain was in good health otherwise, i would say strike. as things stand now, that could cause a lot of damage to people all over the country, and eventually the world.
my advice is still to wait till things at least aren't in major flux, if they strike and it causes a full blown recession, causes people in all those industries to lose jobs, they will have very little if any sympathy from the rest of the country, and the sympathy of the rest of the country can be a powerful tool.
 
Greengrouch

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A strike works best when it causes problems, it could all be avoided by giving them some sick days. The only people responsible are the ones trying to treat workers like property
 
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