Twisty Leaf seedlings, normal?

[Modern Selections]

If you do pH your water for soil... best to bubble-out the chlorine for 24 hours, rather than adding pH down. Do more with less.

I use RO

Reverse Osmosis water eliminates the chloro and everything else from water and gives you a clean slate to build your nutrient solution.

Chlorine will evaporate if water is let sit but chloromine, fluoride are going to be still in there with God knows what else.

Like I said, tap is fine for hobby growing but if you are seeking the dankest of dank, use high quality inputs.

 

[DrDukePHD]

If you do pH your water for soil... best to bubble-out the chlorine for 24 hours, rather than adding pH down. Do more with less.

Seedlings i use Deer Park. Veg i use tap & I'm pretty sure my water is 8.5ph & has chloramine. All I've been doing is adding GH ph-down. Like 30 tiny drops a gallon to get it to 6.5-7.

What do you suggest there. I can't get a RO system.

 

[Southernontariogrower]

The reason I plant in pot deep enough to split main tap root. 1 litre milk carton takes same as footage as a beer cup, but alot deeper! One gal nursery pot does well too. Uppot around 3 week mark, with either! Heat mat s are bonus and worth expense!

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Seedlings i use Deer Park. Veg i use tap & I'm pretty sure my water is 8.5ph & has chloramine. All I've been doing is adding GH ph-down. Like 30 tiny drops a gallon to get it to 6.5-7.

What do you suggest there. I can't get a RO system.

bottled water.

 

[tstick]

It's totally cool to agree to disagree my friend. Happy Holidays!

My post was directed towards Padawan. Always giving advice when he doesn't know what he's talking about and I see these poor folks listen to him. I don't want to see people waste time and money and lose their plants because he thinks twisted leaves are TOO MUCH Ca smh.

Grow any way you like, I'm just all about growing the very best and helping like minded folks.

Yeah, it's sometimes genetic but lots of times it's just a pH issue. I know this because I'm growing three plants at the moment and one of them is displaying Ca deficiency due to a pH that's been too low for too long. And it's also the only plant with the twisty leaf thing going on. However, the other two plants are just fine and don't show any symptoms of Ca deficiency or twisty leaves. To solve the problem, I'm just giving them tap water that has a natural pH of ~7.5 for the next few waterings and I'm monitoring the runoff. When the runoff starts showing a pH of ~6.0-6.5 again, I will adjust the pH thereafter to maintain that range. That should straighten them out!

BTW, my plants are in a combination of FFOF and FFHF with a bunch of extra perlite and a bunch of coco coire and rice hulls -a handful of 4-4-4 organic fert and some worm castings. It's very open and fast draining -almost to the point of being just an inert hydroponic type of media after a few months. I never really had any issues with that mix before, but each plant is a little different.

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Yeah, it's sometimes genetic but lots of times it's just a pH issue. I know this because I'm growing three plants at the moment and one of them is displaying Ca deficiency due to a pH that's been too low for too long. And it's also the only plant with the twisty leaf thing going on. However, the other two plants are just fine and don't show any symptoms of Ca deficiency or twisty leaves. To solve the problem, I'm just giving them tap water that has a natural pH of ~7.5 for the next few waterings and I'm monitoring the runoff. When the runoff starts showing a pH of ~6.0-6.5 again, I will adjust the pH thereafter to maintain that range. That should straighten them out!

BTW, my plants are in a combination of FFOF and FFHF with a bunch of extra perlite and a bunch of coco coire and rice hulls -a handful of 4-4-4 organic fert and some worm castings. It's very open and fast draining -almost to the point of being just an inert hydroponic type of media after a few months. I never really had any issues with that mix before, but each plant is a little different.

I concur, each plant is a little different.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

I'll check the soils pH next round.of twistys.

How?

 

[Week4@inCharge]

How?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

It's totally cool to agree to disagree my friend. Happy Holidays!

My post was directed towards Padawan. Always giving advice when he doesn't know what he's talking about and I see these poor folks listen to him. I don't want to see people waste time and money and lose their plants because he thinks twisted leaves are TOO MUCH Ca smh.

Grow any way you like, I'm just all about growing the very best and helping like minded folks.

Wow, really, ? You obviously need to reread what I said. I said it might be high pH, or too much Ca. And too much Oyster Shell Flour flour might be causing it. Calcium Carbonate raises pH. It makes sense to me. I've been using FFOF for years. They add OSF to FFOF. It might be a little extra concentrated or something.

I'm saying if it was me I'd water it good and give it a few days. I have to limit the amount of Ca I add or mine will start doing that. I fix the issue by cutting out the Ca as much as I can, and watering with a little citric acid. This is just from my experience, it's up to you to decide to listen or not. But keep using that copy and paste button bud,

 

[PadawanWarrior]

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Hmmm, doesn't look like high pH to me,

But right on. I was hoping you weren't gonna say runoff.

 

[DrDukePHD]

Wow, really, ? You obviously need to reread what I said. I said it might be high pH, or too much Ca. And too much Oyster Shell Flour flour might be causing it. Calcium Carbonate raises pH. It makes sense to me. I've been using FFOF for years. They add OSF to FFOF. It might be a little extra concentrated or something.

I'm saying if it was me I'd water it good and give it a few days. I have to limit the amount of Ca I add or mine will start doing that. I fix the issue by cutting out the Ca as much as I can, and watering with a little citric acid. This is just from my experience, it's up to you to decide to listen or not. But keep using that copy and paste button bud,

Gave it a good watering thanks. Also the Deer Park PH is 6-6.9.. it's mostly yellow, slight tinge of green on the reagent test.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Gave it a good watering thanks. Also the Deer Park PH is 6-6.9.. it's mostly yellow, slight tinge of green on the reagent test.

Cool. I know everyone says don't water to runoff. But when I start a new plant in FFOF I always water the pot well until there's a little runoff. At first it's super dark brown. I just flush it a tiny bit until it's not so dark. No problems like that. But hey this is just what I do.

And you can't really trust runoff. It can be misleading. Good luck.

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Hmmm, doesn't look like high pH to me,

But right on. I was hoping you weren't gonna say runoff.

I never water to runoff on anything,not on purpose anyways, especially with seedlings, but those get the most runoff by accident, dang solo cups. That 5.8 for organics is low, I try to keep it between 6-7 range. but pH doesn't really matter as the rootzone buffers the pH for ya, well when it's healthy and going full tilt, who know how long that takes to mature, I can imagine not in a solo cup with seedlings, I just went off the topic big time here, sorry. 5.8 is not to bad I guess, that's an old archived photo of my Blue Labs pen I use to test the pH of my soil. I thought it might be overkill to test a solo cup with a seedling but now because of this thread I'm gonna check the soil (next round) just for shits and giggles.

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Wow, really, ? You obviously need to reread what I said. I said it might be high pH, or too much Ca. And too much Oyster Shell Flour flour might be causing it. Calcium Carbonate raises pH. It makes sense to me. I've been using FFOF for years. They add OSF to FFOF. It might be a little extra concentrated or something.

I'm saying if it was me I'd water it good and give it a few days. I have to limit the amount of Ca I add or mine will start doing that. I fix the issue by cutting out the Ca as much as I can, and watering with a little citric acid. This is just from my experience, it's up to you to decide to listen or not. But keep using that copy and paste button bud,

I understood ya, that dude came on a little to hard, he must like you a lot.