DIY-HP-LED
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Give it to a million of them and if they beat covid and don't grow horns, yer good to go!
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PJ Diaz
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One expert recommends parents avoid latest booster vaccine for healthy children
There's growing concern among some pediatricians about the latest Covid booster vaccine. The reason: A rare side effect that causes inflammation of the heart, and early surveillance shows it impacts young, healthy boys at a higher rate.
www.wral.com
PJ Diaz
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More than $2.7M paid to 50 claimants of serious injury connected to a vaccine in Canada
According to new statistics, 50 claims of a serious and permanent injury connected to a vaccine authorized by Health Canada have been approved for compensation by Canada’s Vaccine Injury Support Program, which has approved or paid out $2.7 million in total since 2021.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i wasn't actually suggesting testing it on them, but offering it to them for free or at cost, in a show of friendship...never a bad idea to keep your enemies off balance, and getting them indebted to you in public view can't hurt with world opinion.
it's harder to start a war with a country that just saved potentially millions of your citizens...
it's harder to start a war with a country that just saved potentially millions of your citizens...
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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All joking aside, Xi was offered the latest mRNA vaccines, by Joe and the EU, the deaths in China are on him for not being better prepared and thinking he could keep the country locked down. Protecting those over 60 at least with the latest mRNA vaccines would have been wise and saved many lives. I'll bet Xi and the top dogs got them.
Experimental drugs will go through the usual process of safety and double blind efficacy trials with the usual ethical guidelines. However if the situation were dire enough with a superduper strain that killed lots, caution would be thrown out the window and they do what appears to work until the proper evidence comes in. It depends on availability, the situation and the country, to a degree medicine is still an art and doctors will try what they think works, if there is nothing else to be done. With covid it took some time to bring order out of the chaos of early reports and treatments, then there was the disinformation of HCQ and horse wormer. Clinical trials told the tale, but covid was a fast moving and changing target and we were flying blind.
CANON_Grow
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That's the same doctor you were posting about before, right? The other doctor in the article is still recommending vaccines for kids, and even gives the data about myocarditis, six times higher risk from covid vs vaccine.One expert recommends parents avoid latest booster vaccine for healthy children
There's growing concern among some pediatricians about the latest Covid booster vaccine. The reason: A rare side effect that causes inflammation of the heart, and early surveillance shows it impacts young, healthy boys at a higher rate.
PJ Diaz
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There are a couple of different doctors quoted in the article. To me, the most interesting statements come from Dr Paul Offit, who is far from an anti-vaxxer.
Paul A. Offit
Dr. Offit is director of the Vaccine Education Center at CHOP and an internationally recognized expert in the fields of virology and immunology. He is co-inventor of a landmark vaccine achievement for the prevention of rotavirus gastroenteritis.
"I am not anti-vaccination," Offit answered with a laugh when WRAL Investigates asked him about his general stance. That said, he voted against the latest recommendations to open up the new booster to younger age groups.
Asked if he would give the bivalent vaccine to his children, Offit quickly replied, "No."
Offit points to three groups who SHOULD get the boosters — the elderly, the immunocompromised and those with high-risk medical conditions.
DIY-HP-LED
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COVID Deaths Double in China: 11K Daily
Amid soaring COVID-19 infections in China, the United States is considering sampling plane wastewater to track emerging virus variants. Health experts in the United Kingdom estimate approximately 11,000 people per day are now dying from the disease in China.
The new death toll doubles the estimate from the week before.
Three infectious disease experts who spoke with The Guardian said the aircraft wastewater sampling proposal would do a better job of tracking new virus variants and slowing their entry into the U.S. than the new travel restrictions announced this week.
The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced on Wednesday that air passengers flying to the United States from China will need to show proof of a negative COVID-19 test or documentation of recovery.
The new restrictions come as U.K.-based health data firm Airfinity said approximately 11,000 people were likely dying of COVID-19 in China each day, which doubles its estimate from the week before.
COVID-19 infections began to spread throughout China in November, picking up steam this month after Beijing discontinued its zero-COVID policies including routine PCR testing and publication of asymptomatic case data.
Since Dec. 1, deaths from COVID-19 in China have likely reached 110,000, with infections likely reaching 20.4 million, Airfinity said in a Thursday statement.
The company said it expects China’s COVID-19 infections to hit an initial peak of 3.7 million cases a day on Jan. 13.
On Thursday, the European Union’s health agency said the bloc-wide introduction of mandatory COVID-19 screenings for travelers from China was “unjustified” and pointed to the “higher population immunity in the EU/EEA, as well as the prior emergence and subsequent replacement of variants currently circulating in China.”
World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus called on China to be more transparent with detailed data on the country’s pandemic situation, in a series of tweets.
“In the absence of comprehensive information from China, it is understandable that countries around the world are acting in ways that they believe may protect their populations,” Tedros wrote.
Chinese authorities have officially reported just 10 COVID-19 deaths since Dec. 7, when the government made an abrupt U-turn on its virus policy. Airfinity expects deaths to peak at about 25,000 a day on Jan. 23, with cumulative deaths totaling 584,000 in December.
Given China’s lack of candor, testing wastewater from airlines would offer a clearer picture of how the virus is mutating, according to Dr. Eric Topol, a genomics expert and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.
Collecting wastewater from planes from China “would be a very good tactic,” Topol told The Guardian, adding that it was necessary for the U.S. to upgrade its surveillance tactics “because of China being so unwilling to share its genomic data.”
Shame China did not jump on the vaccine bandwagon.
Amid soaring COVID-19 infections in China, the United States is considering sampling plane wastewater to track emerging virus variants. Health experts in the United Kingdom estimate approximately 11,000 people per day are now dying from the disease in China.
The new death toll doubles the estimate from the week before.
Three infectious disease experts who spoke with The Guardian said the aircraft wastewater sampling proposal would do a better job of tracking new virus variants and slowing their entry into the U.S. than the new travel restrictions announced this week.
The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced on Wednesday that air passengers flying to the United States from China will need to show proof of a negative COVID-19 test or documentation of recovery.
The new restrictions come as U.K.-based health data firm Airfinity said approximately 11,000 people were likely dying of COVID-19 in China each day, which doubles its estimate from the week before.
COVID-19 infections began to spread throughout China in November, picking up steam this month after Beijing discontinued its zero-COVID policies including routine PCR testing and publication of asymptomatic case data.
Since Dec. 1, deaths from COVID-19 in China have likely reached 110,000, with infections likely reaching 20.4 million, Airfinity said in a Thursday statement.
The company said it expects China’s COVID-19 infections to hit an initial peak of 3.7 million cases a day on Jan. 13.
On Thursday, the European Union’s health agency said the bloc-wide introduction of mandatory COVID-19 screenings for travelers from China was “unjustified” and pointed to the “higher population immunity in the EU/EEA, as well as the prior emergence and subsequent replacement of variants currently circulating in China.”
World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus called on China to be more transparent with detailed data on the country’s pandemic situation, in a series of tweets.
“In the absence of comprehensive information from China, it is understandable that countries around the world are acting in ways that they believe may protect their populations,” Tedros wrote.
Chinese authorities have officially reported just 10 COVID-19 deaths since Dec. 7, when the government made an abrupt U-turn on its virus policy. Airfinity expects deaths to peak at about 25,000 a day on Jan. 23, with cumulative deaths totaling 584,000 in December.
Given China’s lack of candor, testing wastewater from airlines would offer a clearer picture of how the virus is mutating, according to Dr. Eric Topol, a genomics expert and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.
Collecting wastewater from planes from China “would be a very good tactic,” Topol told The Guardian, adding that it was necessary for the U.S. to upgrade its surveillance tactics “because of China being so unwilling to share its genomic data.”
Shame China did not jump on the vaccine bandwagon.
CANON_Grow
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I can't disagree with Dr.Offit, young healthy children that have already been vaccinated with three doses of the monovalent vaccine or two doses monovalent vaccine and natural infection would be unlikely to end up in the hospital as they already have some protection. Makes sense to me, avoid potential adverse reactions to the bivalent booster doses, better for kids to just get the monovalent vaccine.There are a couple of different doctors quoted in the article. To me, the most interesting statements come from Dr Paul Offit, who is far from an anti-vaxxer.
Paul A. Offit
Dr. Offit is director of the Vaccine Education Center at CHOP and an internationally recognized expert in the fields of virology and immunology. He is co-inventor of a landmark vaccine achievement for the prevention of rotavirus gastroenteritis.www.research.chop.edu
"I am not anti-vaccination," Offit answered with a laugh when WRAL Investigates asked him about his general stance. That said, he voted against the latest recommendations to open up the new booster to younger age groups.
Asked if he would give the bivalent vaccine to his children, Offit quickly replied, "No."
Offit points to three groups who SHOULD get the boosters — the elderly, the immunocompromised and those with high-risk medical conditions.
DIY-HP-LED
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BREAKING: Jared Kushner suddenly in legal jeopardy
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The Legal Breakdown episode 13: @GlennKirschner2 joins to discuss Jared Kushner and Donald Trump's legal exposure in the aftermath of reckless COVID mismanagement.
CANON_Grow
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No prosecutor with any moral compass at all, would open up Pandora's box by taking that to court. Cute sound bite for a specific audience, BTC and GK getting those Trump clicks while they still can. Terrorist attack, negligent homicide. Gun violence, negligent homicide. Not to mention the federal vs state responsibility, it would never end.
DIY-HP-LED
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They will nail him over the documents, obstruction and J6 federally, prosecuting him more would be pointless, Georgia and NY will probably also prosecute him too. There is far too much crime to prosecute him for it all, but others were involved who have exposure in his various crimes and corruption. All that being said, I believe Trump is guilty of malicious dereliction of duty over covid, manslaughter at least, however he has but one ass to give to the prison system and his crimes are very many.
The only trump trial we are likely to see would be Georgia, they televise all trials and it would be a dandy with republican state officials testifying against him and repudiating the big lie to his face. A TV trial in Georgia would have the biggest impact of all IMHO, Donald could already be in federal custody by then and might appear in orange!
CANON_Grow
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I absolutely believe he is guilty of many crimes and is a piece of garbage, certainly caused more damage than we could quantify. With that said, he does get to take credit for Operation Warp Speed, and vaccines have saved many lives. I will be so relieved when the world moves on and that clown is forgotten, and his band of idiots just fizzle away.They will nail him over the documents, obstruction and J6 federally, prosecuting him more would be pointless, Georgia and NY will probably also prosecute him too. There is far too much crime to prosecute him for it all, but others were involved who have exposure in his various crimes and corruption. All that being said, I believe Trump is guilty of malicious dereliction of duty over covid, manslaughter at least, however he has but one ass to give to the prison system and his crimes are very many.
The only trump trial we are likely to see would be Georgia, they televise all trials and it would be a dandy with republican state officials testifying against him and repudiating the big lie to his face. A TV trial in Georgia would have the biggest impact of all IMHO, Donald could already be in federal custody by then and might appear in orange!
DIY-HP-LED
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My primary focus with America and Ukraine is the struggle for liberal democracy against totalitarianism and I think with the events in America and Ukraine we have turned a bit of a corner in the larger global fight for liberal democracy. It is the only way forward with our global society and increasing technological power, it's not some ideal, it is a requirement for survival as a species, liberal democracy, the rule of law and social progress. We will live in not just a multicultural country, but in a multicultural world eventually. Heaven or Hell is our choice for the future, a life of leisure and recreation for most and work for the few, or useless mouths to feed and control by a few wealthy and powerful.
cannabineer
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What makes you think Operation Warp Speed was anything more than an empty slogan concealing Operation Impede Actual Progress?
CANON_Grow
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Can only base my assumptions on what people close to the situation have made public. Former head of O.W.S. acknowledges certain failures and does give some credit to Biden administration.
Operation Warp Speed Head Says Trump Administration Responsible For 90% Of Vaccine Rollout
Biden has repeatedly claimed the Trump administration left him without a plan.
www.forbes.com
cannabineer
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I cannot go behind their paywall, but Forbes tends to put a conservative bias on things. This article suggests a chaotic enterprise that was more about branding, as befit the self-promoter-in-chief and his handpicked CDC cripplers.Can only base my assumptions on what people close to the situation have made public. Former head of O.W.S. acknowledges certain failures and does give some credit to Biden administration.
Operation Warp Speed Head Says Trump Administration Responsible For 90% Of Vaccine Rollout
Biden has repeatedly claimed the Trump administration left him without a plan.
Bottom line, we got the vaccines rolled out despite OWS.
The crash landing of 'Operation Warp Speed'
Born as a second Manhattan Project, the Trump administration vaccine program actually achieved most of its goals – until distribution problems marred its success.
www.politico.com
Roger A. Shrubber
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There are a few valid points...But trump seems to have an ability to neutralize almost anything good he does within days of doing it.Can only base my assumptions on what people close to the situation have made public. Former head of O.W.S. acknowledges certain failures and does give some credit to Biden administration.
Operation Warp Speed Head Says Trump Administration Responsible For 90% Of Vaccine Rollout
Biden has repeatedly claimed the Trump administration left him without a plan.
trump is a practiced negotiator in a business setting. He got the country a good deal from the pharma companies.
I am, however, fairly sure that in the situation they were in, they didn't have much choice but to negotiate, or much incentive to struggle.
Any pharma company trying to hardball those negotiations would have been making themselves socio-economic lepers.
And, as soon as he got "warpspeed" into place, he started trying to push stupid cures, qanon theories, he started to call the reputation and honesty of the CDC and Dr. Fauci into question, and undermine their efforts to save lives. He inspired a whole segment of congress and more than a few senators to join the parade of lies, and a host of biting flies like steve bannon, joe rogan, alex jones, nick fuentes joined in, amplifying the cloud of lies...
so yeah, give him credit. ALL the credit he's due...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed
when you read that...it really seems like all trump can really take credit for is a very untrumplike willingness to for once in his life, listen to REAL expert opinion, and let them design a response...that he then started shitting on.
so cudos to trump for waiting that long to shit on something, i guess...
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