Way too many contradictions in this hobby.

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Boatguy

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singlecoiled said:
ep, around 2.5 weeks for me on all my grows, the problem is that everone is speaking a different language.

For me, I expect to be on the end of the recomemdations, so if a seedbanks says 7-9 weeks, I go a full 9 weeks (and add a week or two if needed) this is because I dont know if th
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IME once flowering is obvious counting begins... Even then, its done when its done
 
pegboy

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obijohn said:
Keep in mind many people grow outdoors, not indoors. Outdoors plants don't wait until 12 hours of darkness to start flowering, so 12/12 is meaningless. The flowering starts when it starts
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Thats actually a fair point. I do grow outside but consider myself an indoor grower. Again..good point.
 
singlecoiled

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Boatguy said:
IME once flowering is obvious counting begins... Even then, its done when its done
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Yep, Ive been forced to figure out the flower times myself, not the end of the world but still annoying. I just cant understand why things are so off in the world of growing, I've never seen anything like it.

So for now if a breeder says 8 weeks of flower, how can you plan? 8 weeks could be 11 weeks or more, who knows until you get out your loupe and watch those tricomes.
 
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singlecoiled said:
Yep, Ive been forced to figure out the flower times myself, not the end of the world but still annoying. I just cant understand why things are so off in the world of growing, I've never seen anyting like it.

So for now if a breeder says 8 weeks of flower, how can you plan? 8 weeks could be 11 weeks or more, who knows until you get out your loupe and watch those tricomes.
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This is why i dont plan many vacations..
 
pegboy

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singlecoiled said:
Very nice looking buds ! I've only grown Northern Lights (seedbanks says 7-9 weeks, (I've found its around 9-10 weeks) and Durban Poison, another that came in around day 65-75 days after flip (sedbanks said 8 weeks)
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Thanks!! Gotta say...that stuff was fire. I will definitely run that again.
 
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I remember when people used to grow in whatever potting soil they could get, use some cheap all purpose liquid fertilizer to feed a few times, and that was it. It just amazes me these days to see so many people spending tons of money and having nothing but problems.

People like to follow some convoluted process for simple tasks. A twenty page book to plant a seed. Just stick in some dirt and give it water. Twelve chapters of how to prepare your water. Just turn on the tap.

Common sense goes out the window. Taking the time to learn how plants actually grow has been replaced with bottles of this, bags of that. No need to know anything about horticulture. Just buy another bottle and that will solve everything. Just like...


 
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xtsho said:
I remember when people used to grow in whatever potting soil they could get, use some cheap all purpose liquid fertilizer to feed a few times, and that was it. It just amazes me these days to see so many people spending tons of money and having nothing but problems.

People like to follow some convoluted process for simple tasks. A twenty page book to plant a seed. Just stick in some dirt and give it water. Twelve chapters of how to prepare your water. Just turn on the tap.

Common sense goes out the window. Taking the time to learn how plants actually grow has been replaced with bottles of this, bags of that. No need to know anything about horticulture. Just buy another bottle and that will solve everything. Just like...


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But breeders are lying about flower times and it’s hurting noobs feelings their plants aren’t done in 8 weeks.
 
singlecoiled

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Rurumo said:
Forget about the grow books, they are mostly full of terrible parroted info from the internet anyway, or the old ones are all bro-science unless you're reading Robert Connell Clarke (his books are work buying.) You'll get far more useful and detailed info from threads/people here (or the other forums) and with a little time and experience it becomes easy to separate the good info from the bad. I'd start looking through grow journals and find the good ones growing plants similar to what you want to grow and then emulate what they are doing. Look for people who consistently grow nice plants. Look up the big threads specific to whatever media/nutrients/lights etc, that you are using, and use that info as a baseline for your own grows. With each grow, take notes on what you are doing, so you can repeat the good results, or alter your methods if you fail and try again next time.

You're going to get a lot of different information because there are a LOT of ways to grow successfully. Some people will use .8-1 EC for an entire grow and get the same yields as people who use 2 EC-you'll find plenty of seeming "contradictions" like that, that aren't really contradictions at all because these plants are so adaptable to different growing conditions, what works for one person's conditions might fail miserably in your conditions. You'll find what works best for you in time and "dial in" your grow for the conditions that you maintain-temp, RH, air circulation, lighting (ppfd), co2 levels-these things all make your specific grow unique, and present challenges you will need to overcome. I know people who couldn't complete a grow in soil if their life depended on it, but in coco, it seems like they have a green thumb....BUT, we also see tons of bad first coco grows on the forums because people try to treat it like soil, or they take some generic advice like "coco is impossible to overwater" and they go and overwater their coco. The worst kind of advice in this hobby are blanket statements that are based on a kernel of truth.
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Good stuff thanks,I didnt really think about the fact that their are different approaches that work for folks. unfortunately for me, I havent had success yet after four grows. I'm not giving up but I'm preparing my towel.... (to toss in) Week 7 flower is brutal for me and I cant get past it. Its a perfect time to fail too, right at the end !

The grow below is current. Watch how bad it gets in the next few weeks. I still have 3-4 week to go. This is my third grow of the same strain, and I've tried everything without luck....
 

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singlecoiled said:
As a new grower who takes new hobbies way too seriously, I am left scratching my head. I am a big reader, and have read just about every grow book published, both old and new. Examples https://cannabislegale.org/these-are-the-5-best-cannabis-growing-books/

I have also watched many youtube videos showing grows and offering advice on growing.

Here are some topics that I find very frustrating, both from advice give on forums and from the grow books.

1. Flower time----Countless professional grow videos show MOST cannabis finishing at around week 8-9 (including pre flower time-- we are talking 8-9 weeks after 12/12 flip and they harvest.) If you ask around here, chances are no matter what you say (Lets say I'm in week 9 Flower with an Indica) almost 90% of people will say " You have many weeks to go)... I understand that Seedbanks may be dishonest with flower times, but for a newbie, all the mis-information I can find is conficting. And yes, I let a 7-9 week Indica go many weeks longer following advice from others and it was harvested a bit late....(watching tricomes and pistols with a loupe)

2. Bloom Nutrients-- And or Nitrogen during flower. This one is really giving me a headache, most say to cut nitrogen mid to late flower, but many also say that Bloom Nutrients cause more harm than good. So, I'm pretty much F'ed here. If I cant feed bloom and cant feed Nitrogen (grow nutrients-in flower) what the hell should I feed? I'm at the point where I'm starving my plants because I'm afriad to give them anything.

3. Flushing before harvest---- This is a funny one. In this case, I'm talking about the final flush before harvest. Almost every book I read and following the advice from many professional growers, the taste of the final product will be lower quality if not flushed. And of course, if you've been reading recent advice from folks on the forums,many people are saying not to flush. Another confict leaving me wondering. (I do not flush pre-harvest, but I still wonder who's right)

4. Flushing----- Now, not to complicate things, but the definition of "flushing" seems to be two different things. Definiton 1 is applying plain water 1-2 weeks before harvest. Definition 2 is to flush excess salts from the soil using twice the amount of water to soil. If you look at many feedcharts (Fox Farm as an example) they clearly say to Flush the soil (definition 2) if anything irregular shows----- So, once again we have contradictory opinions here. I cant tell you how many people say not to flush the soil (def 2) and how many say that pre harvest flush is useless.

5. Soil PH---- This is by far the worst for me as it is very important to have the right PH in the root zone, but to save my life I have now way to test it accurately. Have you ever tried to get deep into your soil to test after the roots have taken over the soil? You can't ! The best I can do is to measure water PH going in to compare to the water coming out, but I don't think this is accurate at all. There has to be an easier way to accurately measure soil PH in the root zone. Soil is really starting to annoy me and I'm tempted to go hydroponic even though I know there is a deep learning curve.

6. And last but not least, too many things look alike. Fungus Gnats or Root Aphid flyers? (they look very similar and are very small)... Same goes for deficiencies, lets take purple stems as an example.---Could be a deficiency, might just be the strain. Its just a big headache to me now.

I like growing, but with the price of weed dropping (its almost free where I live now) I'm wondering why I'm bothering anymore. I just cant seem to find good advice that doesnt contradict itself and feel like a dog chasing my tail.


(Side note: please excuse my horrible hacking of the english language, some of the words used here may be off and I am aware that my writing needs improvent !)
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Hey. Weed is weed. It has been growing for millennia both with and without human intervention. I have done some very stupid things to plants when listening to bad advice. But guess what . . . the plants lived (duct taped, beaten up, chem-burned, but they lived). I learned that plants need water, sun, and nutrients. We mess things up by trying to give too much sun (lighting issues), watering improperly (too much or little), and by creating chemical imbalances (not just pH, but over/ under feeding for the artificial environment we created). Different things work for different set-ups, and what may work in my artificial environment may not work in yours. Having said that, keep doing research, try what works for you, and try not to get caught up in the pseudo science.
 
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