Way too many contradictions in this hobby.

singlecoiled said:

Not sure if your talking to me but.

I dont have time to post every book or artical Ive read, but many say high doses of Nitrogen is bad in flower. Then there are those that say Nitrogen is needed all the way through flower. So there you have it. Mixed signals. Some say yes, some say no to Nitrogen late flower. In my opinion and from what I'm learning, Nitrogen IS needed in flower.

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singlecoiled said:

Yeah, this thread really dug into flowering time which wasnt my intention, use of Bloom nutrients is the big headache for me now as this is another subject I'm gettiong mixed signals about. I'm torn and am unsure what to feed, For now, I'll stick with the Dynagrow feed chart and go easy useage of Bloom nutrients without Cha-Ching, Beastie Bloomz, or Open Sesame......

Bloom Nutrients are pure evil that will wreck your grow according to many.... Nitrogen should not be used late flower, according to many. WTF?

Has anyone ever had a successful grow using bloom nutrients?

Bloom Notes Below

Below are some conversations etc... That I've been saving to read and learn from...


Dyna Grow stuff !

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pegboy said:

First off I run Ebb and Flow recirculating system with rockwool. If your growing in soil the amounts would be much much less.

I use the entire Dyna-Gro line exclusively. Have been since the 90s. Its cheaper and does exactly what all the others do without all the sales gimmicks. Maybe better.

Pro-Tekt
Grow
Bloom
Mag-Pro

Without getting into a deep dive I use generally way less than they recomend. Maybe around a 1/3 +/-. sometimes even less with young plants and seedlings. Theres is no exact feeding schedule because usually different cultivars have different demands. some are heavy feeders and some not. Regardless, in general I use about 1/3rd of what dyna-gro says. Thats a decent starting point. I use Bloom on every grow and it works just fine. I dont see why they would hype bloom over grow to make sales because either way you have to consume the same amount of each or double of one. So basically you'd be using the same amounts no matter bloom or grow. I rarely have an EC of over .7 towards the end of flower I'm some times barely over 1. or 1.2. Thats pushing it for me. I let the plant dicatete through my experience. But Dyna-Gro in my opinion is great stuff. I wouldn't do without their pro-tekt. Its fantastic! So is everything they offer. The key once again is to start low and come up if necessary. ALWAYS START LOW AND COME UP IF YOU MUST. I can't stress that enough.

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MtRainDog said:

the biggest difference i’ve noticed is lighting. buy enough wattage of proper led and you’ll be set. Feed accordingly

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singlecoiled said:

I'm using a Spiderfarmer SF-1000 with dimmer. Its a pretty decent light for my small space. (18"x18") as far as I know.

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whelk said:

Yeah I agree everyone always says that plants need another 2 weeks. Always another 2 weeks. I ve always found that 9.5 to 10 weeks from flip is a good time for most plants. If you harvest a little bit early or late it's no big deal. Still get great weed imo. I never flush. All I use for nutrients is seaweed concentrate and a bit of calmag for veg then a bloom nutrient during flower alongside a little bit of seaweed. My plants aren't perfect and I do get the odd leaf turning yellow during flower but I find that it really doesn't matter. I got some budrot once which is a real killer so you have to keep an eye out for that

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Somatek said:

The link you posted or the original UoG paper I referenced both talk about how there was no statistically significant difference in yield between flushed or fertilized crops; which suggests a potential saving and reduction of inputs/carbon footprint. You might want to take it down a notch, I wouldn't say there is enough data to draw solid conclusions as unspecified numbers of "experts" isn't convincing and they didn't publish the numbers. Like many things it needs more research, forming a solid opinion while it's being studied isn't logical.

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singlecoiled said:

As a new grower who takes new hobbies way too seriously, I am left scratching my head. I am a big reader, and have read just about every grow book published, both old and new. Examples https://cannabislegale.org/these-are-the-5-best-cannabis-growing-books/

I have also watched many youtube videos showing grows and offering advice on growing.

Here are some topics that I find very frustrating, both from advice give on forums and from the grow books.

1. Flower time----Countless professional grow videos show MOST cannabis finishing at around week 8-9 (including pre flower time-- we are talking 8-9 weeks after 12/12 flip and they harvest.) If you ask around here, chances are no matter what you say (Lets say I'm in week 9 Flower with an Indica) almost 90% of people will say " You have many weeks to go)... I understand that Seedbanks may be dishonest with flower times, but for a newbie, all the mis-information I can find is conficting. And yes, I let a 7-9 week Indica go many weeks longer following advice from others and it was harvested a bit late....(watching tricomes and pistols with a loupe)

2. Bloom Nutrients-- And or Nitrogen during flower. This one is really giving me a headache, most say to cut nitrogen mid to late flower, but many also say that Bloom Nutrients cause more harm than good. So, I'm pretty much F'ed here. If I cant feed bloom and cant feed Nitrogen (grow nutrients-in flower) what the hell should I feed? I'm at the point where I'm starving my plants because I'm afriad to give them anything.

3. Flushing before harvest---- This is a funny one. In this case, I'm talking about the final flush before harvest. Almost every book I read and following the advice from many professional growers, the taste of the final product will be lower quality if not flushed. And of course, if you've been reading recent advice from folks on the forums,many people are saying not to flush. Another confict leaving me wondering. (I do not flush pre-harvest, but I still wonder who's right)

4. Flushing----- Now, not to complicate things, but the definition of "flushing" seems to be two different things. Definiton 1 is applying plain water 1-2 weeks before harvest. Definition 2 is to flush excess salts from the soil using twice the amount of water to soil. If you look at many feedcharts (Fox Farm as an example) they clearly say to Flush the soil (definition 2) if anything irregular shows----- So, once again we have contradictory opinions here. I cant tell you how many people say not to flush the soil (def 2) and how many say that pre harvest flush is useless.

5. Soil PH---- This is by far the worst for me as it is very important to have the right PH in the root zone, but to save my life I have now way to test it accurately. Have you ever tried to get deep into your soil to test after the roots have taken over the soil? You can't ! The best I can do is to measure water PH going in to compare to the water coming out, but I don't think this is accurate at all. There has to be an easier way to accurately measure soil PH in the root zone. Soil is really starting to annoy me and I'm tempted to go hydroponic even though I know there is a deep learning curve.

6. And last but not least, too many things look alike. Fungus Gnats or Root Aphid flyers? (they look very similar and are very small)... Same goes for deficiencies, lets take purple stems as an example.---Could be a deficiency, might just be the strain. Its just a big headache to me now.

I like growing, but with the price of weed dropping (its almost free where I live now) I'm wondering why I'm bothering anymore. I just cant seem to find good advice that doesnt contradict itself and feel like a dog chasing my tail.


(Side note: please excuse my horrible hacking of the english language, some of the words used here may be off and I am aware that my writing needs improvent !)

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odessa said:

Wait until you really dig into Egyptology or digital audio. No matter the topic you are going to find more bullshit than good info. Humans have some kind of redirect virus. We are drawn to bullshit like moths to a flame. It is up to YOU to suss it out. Experience is a spiral. As you go round and round you will get ever closer to the center but will never reach it, but, over time you will see a chasm between what you learn from experience vs conventional wisdom. It's almost as if conventional wisdom being flawed is a feature not a bug designed to alert you to the fact that you need to eschew authority and experience for yourself. You feed the eye at the top of the pyramid through triangulating information.

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pegboy said:

First off I run Ebb and Flow recirculating system with rockwool. If your growing in soil the amounts would be much much less.

I use the entire Dyna-Gro line exclusively. Have been since the 90s. Its cheaper and does exactly what all the others do without all the sales gimmicks. Maybe better.

Pro-Tekt
Grow
Bloom
Mag-Pro

Without getting into a deep dive I use generally way less than they recomend. Maybe around a 1/3 +/-. sometimes even less with young plants and seedlings. Theres is no exact feeding schedule because usually different cultivars have different demands. some are heavy feeders and some not. Regardless, in general I use about 1/3rd of what dyna-gro says. Thats a decent starting point. I use Bloom on every grow and it works just fine. I dont see why they would hype bloom over grow to make sales because either way you have to consume the same amount of each or double of one. So basically you'd be using the same amounts no matter bloom or grow. I rarely have an EC of over .7 towards the end of flower I'm some times barely over 1. or 1.2. Thats pushing it for me. I let the plant dicatete through my experience. But Dyna-Gro in my opinion is great stuff. I wouldn't do without their pro-tekt. Its fantastic! So is everything they offer. The key once again is to start low and come up if necessary. ALWAYS START LOW AND COME UP IF YOU MUST. I can't stress that enough.

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hotrodharley said:

Again post a study showing any benefit to “flushing”. How much can 1-2 weeks of water and nutes cost? It makes as much sense as an athlete preparing for a huge event fasting and only drinking water.

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Somatek said:

show me a peer reviewed paper that definitively shows flushing isn't useful

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beefninja97 said:

I don't think that's how the burden of proof works

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Somatek said:

You've already posted one, read your own link...

What's the point of using nutes if they don't increase the yield or are you ignoring that for the unspecified subjective opinion of an unknown number of "experts" because it matches yours? That's not how science works, show me a peer reviewed paper that definitively shows flushing isn't useful, otherwise your just cherry picking an industry marketing piece to create an argument.

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